Paris 2024 Olympic Games

[Johngould21]

8 hours ago, viking mama said:

 

Soccer-Canada should fire Bev Priestman & the other assistants involved. Her emails are self-explanitory. She apparently saw nothing wrong with deploying drones & clearly knew about it. That was unsportsmanlike & very foolish of her.  Leadership can’t be foolish or naive, and remain unaccountable for it.

 

Priestman & the others can just go ahead & provide further details & evidence against other countries - if she has the facts & evidence to present,…or simply just fade away. This would likely satisfy FIFA & everyone else,…as there will be far more digging. 

The longer Canada retains her,…the longer she continues to taint higher ups in the program, as being more complicit with spying on opponents’ closed practices or any similarly nefarious activities. 

 

Soccer Canada needs another wash and rinse cycle. Obviously the vetting done by this organization needs revamping. After all, they're the ones who select these coaching staffs. Saying that they're no worse than the entire FIFA body.

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[Johngould21]

4 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

 

Nice and easy, well done! 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[Rip The Mesh]

Maybe folks have their own opinions on this. Mine is "It's Bull shit!"

 

I feel sorry for the Lady. The real one. What did Jeff say on Jurassic Park? (This is one big pile of sh*t)

 

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Edited August 1 by Rip The Mesh

[Gurn]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/fifa_world_cup/report-canada-soccer-blames-herdman-for-start-of-drone-spying-in-program/ar-BB1qZU1g?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d7056fcd91894eab8c3dc45ccd603f17&ei=40

"Canada Soccer has blamed former coach John Herdman for starting the drone-spying strategy that caused three Canadian women’s soccer coaches — including head coach Bev Priestman — to be suspended for a year and the team deducted six points in the group stage of this year’s Olympics.

 

According to reports from Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press and John Molinaro of TFC Republic, Canada Soccer told FIFA in an official document that Herdman started the drone-spying strategy when he was the head coach of Canada’s women’s team.

“… We suspect that the practise of using a drone stems back to John Herdman when he was the head coach of the women’s national team,” Canada Soccer wrote to FIFA in the document, according to Molinaro and Davidson.

“In other words, this was a practise started by one person — John Herdman — and continued by Bev Priestman. It was not facilitated by the federation. New Canada Soccer administration is supporting a full independent investigation of this issue and has already taken steps to ensure that this scouting tactic does not happen again.”

Herdman coached the Canadian women from 2011 to 2018 and led the team to two Olympic bronze medals in 2012 and 2016. He then was the Canadian men’s head coach from 2018 to 2023 before leaving the organization to become the head coach of Toronto FC.

Priestman was an assistant coach under Herdman during his time with the women’s team.

Earlier this week after news of the scandal broke, Herdman told reporters he does not believe he or anyone on his staff has been involved in drone use during his tenure with Canada at the biggest tournaments.

“I’m highly confident that in my time as a head coach at an Olympic Games or World Cup, we’ve never been involved in any of those activities,” Herdman told reporters Friday.

Molinaro reported that Herdman told reporters at TFC’s practice on Wednesday that he will support the ongoing investigation in any way he can, but refrained from commenting on the situation directly.

“The integrity of the (Canada Soccer) investigation is the most important piece now, and as part of that, I’ll be supporting with as much evidence as I can offer, or support I can offer, through that investigation. So, until that concludes I won’t be able to comment on those matters specifically,” Herdman said.

On Wednesday, Herdman also once again stated that his Canadian teams did not spy on opponents at a World Cup, Olympics or youth World Cup, Molinaro reports.

“Those activities have not been undertaken,” Herdman said.

However, Herdman may not be out of the weeds yet. In the public FIFA document on the case against Priestman and assistant coaches Jasmine Mander and Joseph Lombardi, the chairperson of FIFA’s Appeal Committee said that action against other individuals could still be taken after Canada Soccer’s independent external review.

“As the Chairperson understands it, (Canada Soccer) is conducting its own broader investigation into spying. In this respect, the Chairperson expects (Canada Soccer) to provide FIFA with the results of said investigation in order for it to be able to assess and decide whether further action by the FIFA bodies is necessary and appropriate,” the document said.

Despite the hefty penalties sanctioned against the Canadian women’s team in Paris, the squad persevered to go undefeated in the group stage and advance to the quarterfinals against Germany on Saturday

On Wednesday, Canada’s appeal to FIFA’s decision to penalize the team six points was dismissed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Canada did not appeal the one-year ban handed to Priestman, Mander and Lombardi.

Canada Soccer released a statement after the decision was announced.

“We are disappointed with today’s appeal decision and continue to believe that our players should not have been unnecessarily punished for actions that were not their own,” Canada Soccer president Peter Augruso said.

Canada Soccer also announced lawyer Sonia Regenbogen has been retained to lead its investigation into spying.

Regenbogen is an expert in conducting independent workplace investigations, Canada Soccer said.

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note that Herdman did not say he never used drones to spy by saying

"“I’m highly confident that in my time as a head coach at an Olympic Games or World Cup, we’ve never been involved"

Can be construed as a tacit admission that his cheating happened at  other events, and times.

[Ghostsof1915]

6 minutes ago, Gurn said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/fifa_world_cup/report-canada-soccer-blames-herdman-for-start-of-drone-spying-in-program/ar-BB1qZU1g?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d7056fcd91894eab8c3dc45ccd603f17&ei=40

"Canada Soccer has blamed former coach John Herdman for starting the drone-spying strategy that caused three Canadian women’s soccer coaches — including head coach Bev Priestman — to be suspended for a year and the team deducted six points in the group stage of this year’s Olympics.

 

According to reports from Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press and John Molinaro of TFC Republic, Canada Soccer told FIFA in an official document that Herdman started the drone-spying strategy when he was the head coach of Canada’s women’s team.

“… We suspect that the practise of using a drone stems back to John Herdman when he was the head coach of the women’s national team,” Canada Soccer wrote to FIFA in the document, according to Molinaro and Davidson.

“In other words, this was a practise started by one person — John Herdman — and continued by Bev Priestman. It was not facilitated by the federation. New Canada Soccer administration is supporting a full independent investigation of this issue and has already taken steps to ensure that this scouting tactic does not happen again.”

Herdman coached the Canadian women from 2011 to 2018 and led the team to two Olympic bronze medals in 2012 and 2016. He then was the Canadian men’s head coach from 2018 to 2023 before leaving the organization to become the head coach of Toronto FC.

Priestman was an assistant coach under Herdman during his time with the women’s team.

Earlier this week after news of the scandal broke, Herdman told reporters he does not believe he or anyone on his staff has been involved in drone use during his tenure with Canada at the biggest tournaments.

“I’m highly confident that in my time as a head coach at an Olympic Games or World Cup, we’ve never been involved in any of those activities,” Herdman told reporters Friday.

Molinaro reported that Herdman told reporters at TFC’s practice on Wednesday that he will support the ongoing investigation in any way he can, but refrained from commenting on the situation directly.

“The integrity of the (Canada Soccer) investigation is the most important piece now, and as part of that, I’ll be supporting with as much evidence as I can offer, or support I can offer, through that investigation. So, until that concludes I won’t be able to comment on those matters specifically,” Herdman said.

On Wednesday, Herdman also once again stated that his Canadian teams did not spy on opponents at a World Cup, Olympics or youth World Cup, Molinaro reports.

“Those activities have not been undertaken,” Herdman said.

However, Herdman may not be out of the weeds yet. In the public FIFA document on the case against Priestman and assistant coaches Jasmine Mander and Joseph Lombardi, the chairperson of FIFA’s Appeal Committee said that action against other individuals could still be taken after Canada Soccer’s independent external review.

“As the Chairperson understands it, (Canada Soccer) is conducting its own broader investigation into spying. In this respect, the Chairperson expects (Canada Soccer) to provide FIFA with the results of said investigation in order for it to be able to assess and decide whether further action by the FIFA bodies is necessary and appropriate,” the document said.

Despite the hefty penalties sanctioned against the Canadian women’s team in Paris, the squad persevered to go undefeated in the group stage and advance to the quarterfinals against Germany on Saturday

On Wednesday, Canada’s appeal to FIFA’s decision to penalize the team six points was dismissed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Canada did not appeal the one-year ban handed to Priestman, Mander and Lombardi.

Canada Soccer released a statement after the decision was announced.

“We are disappointed with today’s appeal decision and continue to believe that our players should not have been unnecessarily punished for actions that were not their own,” Canada Soccer president Peter Augruso said.

Canada Soccer also announced lawyer Sonia Regenbogen has been retained to lead its investigation into spying.

Regenbogen is an expert in conducting independent workplace investigations, Canada Soccer said.

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note that Herdman did not say he never used drones to spy by saying

"“I’m highly confident that in my time as a head coach at an Olympic Games or World Cup, we’ve never been involved"

Can be construed as a tacit admission that his cheating happened at  other events, and times.

Just because one coach "reportedly" did it. Didn't mean she had to continue the practice.

I'm sorry that's the weakest excuse I've ever heard.

 

Edited August 1 by Ghostsof1915

[Bob Long]

8 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Maybe folks have their own opinions on this. Mine is "It's Bull shit!"

 

I feel sorry for the Lady. The real one. What did Jeff say on Jurassic Park? (This is one big pile of sh*t)

 

when the tweet source is this radical I have a hard time caring about the content. It would be nice if we could discuss this without the wild swings one way or another. 

 

[Silent Man]

14 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Maybe folks have their own opinions on this. Mine is "It's Bull shit!"

 

I feel sorry for the Lady. The real one. What did Jeff say on Jurassic Park? (This is one big pile of sh*t)

This is a disgrace to all sport principals.

[RupertKBD]

19 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Just because one coach "reportedly" did it. Didn't mean she had to continue the practice.

I'm sorry that's the weakest excuse I've ever heard.

 

I didn't read that as a defense of Priestman, G....it actually looked more like they were defending themselves. Basically saying that Herdman and Priestman were doing this without the knowledge and/or sanction of the governing body.

[Rip The Mesh]

30 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

when the tweet source is this radical I have a hard time caring about the content. It would be nice if we could discuss this without the wild swings one way or another. 

 

I am surprised.

[DeNiro]

2 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said:

 

Actually a very important game.

 

If they beat Spain they win the group and wouldn’t have to face the US until the gold medal match. 

[4petesake]

40 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

I didn't read that as a defense of Priestman, G....it actually looked more like they were defending themselves. Basically saying that Herdman and Priestman were doing this without the knowledge and/or sanction of the governing body.

 

But how does Preistman’s email to HR fit in with this? I haven’t been able to find @Gurn’s clip to rewatch it but it seems to indicate at least a knowledge or tacit endorsement by Soccer Canada since she is asking how to deal with an employee who is reluctant to cheat for the program.

[Gurn]

4 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

But how does Preistman’s email to HR fit in with this? I haven’t been able to find @Gurn’s clip to rewatch it but it seems to indicate at least a knowledge or tacit endorsement by Soccer Canada since she is asking how to deal with an employee who is reluctant to cheat for the program.

 

 

 

Global news story/vid at link

emails show up at 1:15 into vid.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/video/paris-olympics-canadian-women-s-soccer-team-advances-spy-scandal-deepens/vi-BB1qZsKa?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=cdfe66f1f01b404bb91cbacf41997f59&ei=53

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Maybe folks have their own opinions on this. Mine is "It's Bull shit!"

 

I feel sorry for the Lady. The real one. What did Jeff say on Jurassic Park? (This is one big pile of sh*t)

 

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Is this more notable?

Do you thinks this is a trans female athlete? Do you think Algeria offers gender affirming surgery or care of any kind? From what I gather this is a biological female with elevated testosterone levels that didn't meet boxing requirements, although she did for years, but met olympic requirements. The other boxer quit because she got punched in the nose. This is not the alt right fever dream you think it is.

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

4 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Do you thinks this is a trans female athlete? Do you think Algeria offers gender affirming surgery or care of any kind? From what I gather this is a biological female with elevated testosterone levels that didn't meet boxing requirements, although she did for years, but met olympic requirements. The other boxer quit because she got punched in the nose. This is not the alt right fever dream you think it is.

 

To their credit, they haven't broken out the "washroom" talking point yet.  

[RupertKBD]

26 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

But how does Preistman’s email to HR fit in with this? I haven’t been able to find @Gurn’s clip to rewatch it but it seems to indicate at least a knowledge or tacit endorsement by Soccer Canada since she is asking how to deal with an employee who is reluctant to cheat for the program.

 

I don't know that Canada Soccer is as innocent as they claim they are, I was just pointing out to Ghosts that they're pointing the finger squarely at Herdman and Priestman.

 

Personally, I think this sort of thing is probably common and they just got caught and now have to walk the plank. In an interview right after the incident happened, a reporter asked Didier Drogba for his thoughts and he was pretty blase' about it. "It happens", he said.....which tells me that he wasn't so much surprised that it took place, but moreso because they got caught.

 

I could be wrong about that, but that's how DD's response struck me. Kind of like Linford Christie after the Ben Johnson incident. He basically said that doping was common....without actually saying that doping was common....

[Bob Long]

22 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Do you thinks this is a trans female athlete? Do you think Algeria offers gender affirming surgery or care of any kind? From what I gather this is a biological female with elevated testosterone levels that didn't meet boxing requirements, although she did for years, but met olympic requirements. The other boxer quit because she got punched in the nose. This is not the alt right fever dream you think it is.

 

I am surprised.

[flat land fish]

36 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Do you thinks this is a trans female athlete? Do you think Algeria offers gender affirming surgery or care of any kind? From what I gather this is a biological female with elevated testosterone levels that didn't meet boxing requirements, although she did for years, but met olympic requirements. The other boxer quit because she got punched in the nose. This is not the alt right fever dream you think it is.

https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxing-algerian-khelif-advances-after-italys-carini-abandons-fight-after-46-2024-08-01/

 

There are two boxers with XY Chromosome competing in female divisions in the Olympics.  They are wonderful athletes but it is not a level playing field with XX females.  In a combat sport it is off putting to many people.

[Rip The Mesh]

2 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

when the tweet source is this radical I have a hard time caring about the content. It would be nice if we could discuss this without the wild swings one way or another. 

 

Read up and see the other source.

[Jaimito]

 

Alcaraz is gonna be super tough to beat 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warhippy]

2 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Maybe folks have their own opinions on this. Mine is "It's Bull shit!"

 

I feel sorry for the Lady. The real one. What did Jeff say on Jurassic Park? (This is one big pile of sh*t)

 

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Is this more notable?

 

 

This person was BORN a woman.  They have an xy chromosome and produce more testosterone than the average woman which caused them to fail a test.  This exact same issue happened with 2 track athletes a few years back and the right wing came out screaming about men in womens sports.

 

Again this person was BORN A WOMAN.  This is NOT a Trans Athlete.  Just because the Italian took a knee two punches in and cried and quit doesn't make this position of yours or theres any moe viable or truthful.  This is not a MAN pretending to be a woman but a WOMAN with more natural testosterone than normal women...and evidently some fucking men judging by the whining on social media.

Edited August 1 by Warhippy

[Bob Long]

33 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Read up and see the other source.

 

What other source?

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Do you thinks this is a trans female athlete? Do you think Algeria offers gender affirming surgery or care of any kind? From what I gather this is a biological female with elevated testosterone levels that didn't meet boxing requirements, although she did for years, but met olympic requirements. The other boxer quit because she got punched in the nose. This is not the alt right fever dream you think it is.

My favourite part of this is that this individual is a born Algerian and has lived their entire life in Algeria.  A nation known for doing terrible things to the LGBTQ and trans community, but they somehow think that the Algerian government and population would be ok with it.

 

It's funny  and sad