Paris 2024 Olympic Games

[Wilbur]

4 minutes ago, 24K said:

Man tough day for the female teams today. Came in 4th in both team events. 

I think they'll be okay with it, neither were expected to win a medal.  Just makes the victories that much sweeter.

[Warhippy]

52 minutes ago, Sofa King said:

 

You couldn't be more wrong, but don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance

 

XY = Male

XX = Female

 

Fighter in question was born XY.... this might be hard for you to understand but that means they were born male

 

 

 

I couldn't be more what now?  Oh are we now trusting the "science" or are we doing that thing where we deicde what science we trust and then regurgitate the same things that experts like JK Rowling, Trump MacAfee etc are spewing?

 

See DSD

 

https://urology.ucsf.edu/patient-care/children/genital-anomalies/disorders-of-sex-development

 

Fighter in question as stated it is not a trans issue:

 

What is Khelif’s actual sex?

 

Khelif is not a transgender athlete, but her DNA does contain male XY chromosomes. Those genetic tests taken in March 2023 can be considered unequivocal.

 

This has yet to be confirmed and there may not even be a straightforward answer. Khelif was disqualified from last year’s Women’s World Boxing Championships after undergoing what IBA president Umar Kremlev told Russian news agency TASS had been DNA tests. 

 

He added: “Based on the results of the tests, it was proven that they have XY [male] chromosomes. Such athletes were excluded from the competition.” 

The IBA this week confirmed Khelif was also tested at the previous year’s World Championships, adding she had not undergone “a testosterone examination” but was “subject to a separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential”. 

 

It said Khelif had initially lodged an appeal against her disqualification with the Court of Arbitration for Sport only to withdraw it. The IOC, meanwhile, has already stated “this is not a transgender issue” and pointed out she also competed at the last Olympics in Tokyo but it has provided no further clarity as to Khelif’s status. 

 

It is most likely the boxer is an athlete born with differences in sex development (DSD), akin to middle-distance runner Caster Semenya. The extent of any such differences can vary but those with DSD assigned as female at birth often possess internal testes that produce testosterone, giving them a potential size and strength advantage over those without them.

 

Several genes have been found whose function is necessary for normal sexual differentiation. Unlike those that act in other developing organs, the genes involved in sex determination differ extensively between phyla, so one cannot look at Drosophila sex-determining genes and expect to see their homologues directing mammalian sex determination. However, since the phenotype of mutations in sex-determining genes is often sterility, clinical studies have been used to identify those genes that are active in determining whether humans become male or female. Experimental manipulations to confirm the functions of these genes can be done in mice.

Sry: the Y chromosome sex determinant

 

In humans, the major gene for the testis-determining factor resides on the short arm of the Y chromosome. Individuals who are born with the short arm but not the long arm of the Y chromosome are male, while individuals born with the long arm of the Y chromosome but not the short arm are female. By analyzing the DNA of rare XX men and XY women, the position of the testis-determining gene has been narrowed down to a 35,000-base-pair region of the Y chromosome located near the tip of the short arm. In this region, Sinclair and colleagues (1990) found a male-specific DNA sequence that could encode a peptide of 223 amino acids. This peptide is probably a transcription factor, since it contains a DNA-binding domain called the HMG (high-mobility group) box. This domain is found in several transcription factors and nonhistone chromatin proteins, and it induces bending in the region of DNA to which it binds (Figure 17.5; Giese et al. 1992). This gene is called SRY (sex-determining region of the Y chromosome), and there is extensive evidence that it is indeed the gene that encodes the human testis-determining factor. SRY is found in normal XY males and in the rare XX males, and it is absent from normal XX females and from many XY females. Another group of XY females was found to have point or frameshift mutations in the SRY gene; these mutations prevent the SRY protein from binding to or bending DNA (Pontiggia et al. 1994; Werner et al. 1995). It is thought that several testis-specific genes contain SRY-binding sites in their promoters or enhancers, and that the binding of SRY to these sites begins the developmental pathway to testis formation (Cohen et al. 1994).

[Shift-4]

Another 3x3 basketball win

Love these  girls

[Warhippy]

49 minutes ago, 24K said:

Swyer syndrome.

 

I leave it to the professionals to determine who is eligible for what. Their games, their rules. 

Swyer or Turner syndrome 

[UnkNuk]

47 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

 

She's in the Women's 4 x 200m Freestyle Relay coming up shortly (1pm).

 

On Friday, she's in the Women's 200m Individual Medley. 

 

Just noticed:  the heats and semi-final for the 200 are on Friday.

 

The Final (which, presumably, she'll be in) is on Saturday at noon.

 

Swimming wraps up on Sunday with some team events.  Uncertain whether she'll be in any of them.

[Jaimito]

 

 

Medals ceremony. 

[Shift-4]

Picked the wrong time to check out surfing.

Just watching girls sitting on boards lol

[Ghostsof1915]

4 minutes ago, Shift-4 said:

Picked the wrong time to check out surfing.

Just watching girls sitting on boards lol

Girl watching is a sport isn't it?

[Warhippy]

23 minutes ago, Shift-4 said:

Picked the wrong time to check out surfing.

Just watching girls sitting on boards lol

I felt the same way about mens volleyball yesterday, until it ended and the canadian women put on a show against the Swiss.  Honestly amazing to watch.  Esme of the Swiss team was such an insane blocker through yesterdays match.

 

And womens beach volleyball of course

[Rip The Mesh]

1 hour ago, 24K said:

She was born with female genitalia, born with female on her birth certificate, raised as female, identify as female, but sadly have Swyer syndrome. 

 

So how are you gonna deal with that? Ban her from any competition? If this edge case is good enough for the boxing federation to allow her to compete in the female class than it is good enough for me. It is their  . Good enough for them, good enough for me. 

Whatever! Did it look like fair a competition? Looked like their should have been in a different class. Wasn't fair.

[the destroyer of worlds]

2 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Whatever! Did it look like fair a competition? Looked like their should have been in a different class. Wasn't fair.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face."

 

She got punched in the face.  By a boxer with a 9 and 5 record.  This isn't the second coming of Iron Mike.

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[Rip The Mesh]

15 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face."

 

She got punched in the face.  By a boxer with a 9 and 5 record.  This isn't the second coming of Iron Mike.

Are we talking about the same thing? This is what I was talking about, once.

 

It doesn't seem right to me, however, I'm all set for Hockey soon so I don't really care. 

 

[the destroyer of worlds]

9 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Are we talking about the same thing? This is what I was talking about, once.

 

It doesn't seem right to me, however, I'm all set for Hockey soon so I don't really care. 

 

I'll post this photo that is making the rounds as a counter

[Pears]

4 hours ago, Warhippy said:

My favourite part of this is that this individual is a born Algerian and has lived their entire life in Algeria.  A nation known for doing terrible things to the LGBTQ and trans community, but they somehow think that the Algerian government and population would be ok with it.

 

It's funny  and sad

It's fucking beyond disgraceful what that piece of shit Musk has allowed twitter to become. Accounts like that deserve jail time for the incredibly dangerous lies they're spewing. 

[Rip The Mesh]

48 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

I'll post this photo that is making the rounds as a counter

Who woulda ever thunk       

[Johngould21]

How many of you have seen popups on fb, saying that Home Depot, and Samsung have pulled out of the Olympics? It truly is amazing how many Christians, and the Political Right have lost their shit over the opening ceremonies for the '24 Olympics. Google would do many folks a lot of good. No, not Snopes!
 

[Johngould21]

2 hours ago, -dlc- said:

4 x 200 ladies freestyle on now.

 

Canada's got some work to do to get into contention. Sitting in 6th right now.

They got back to 4th, they needed two or three Summers. But hey, three of those women are under 19 years old, lots of room to grow and get experience. This womens program is looking good for the upcoming Olympics.

[Johngould21]

8 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said:

 

This was one hell of a fight. I think I heard he's the only male boxer from Canada in the Olympics. What happened to Canadian boxing?

 

[Jaimito]

If they medal, I vote for Gilles as a flag bearer with Summer in the closing ceremony. 

 

 

[Jaimito]

Lol. 

 

 

[stawns]

3 hours ago, Warhippy said:

 

I couldn't be more what now?  Oh are we now trusting the "science" or are we doing that thing where we deicde what science we trust and then regurgitate the same things that experts like JK Rowling, Trump MacAfee etc are spewing?

 

See DSD

 

https://urology.ucsf.edu/patient-care/children/genital-anomalies/disorders-of-sex-development

 

Fighter in question as stated it is not a trans issue:

 

What is Khelif’s actual sex?

 

Khelif is not a transgender athlete, but her DNA does contain male XY chromosomes. Those genetic tests taken in March 2023 can be considered unequivocal.

 

This has yet to be confirmed and there may not even be a straightforward answer. Khelif was disqualified from last year’s Women’s World Boxing Championships after undergoing what IBA president Umar Kremlev told Russian news agency TASS had been DNA tests. 

 

He added: “Based on the results of the tests, it was proven that they have XY [male] chromosomes. Such athletes were excluded from the competition.” 

The IBA this week confirmed Khelif was also tested at the previous year’s World Championships, adding she had not undergone “a testosterone examination” but was “subject to a separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential”. 

 

It said Khelif had initially lodged an appeal against her disqualification with the Court of Arbitration for Sport only to withdraw it. The IOC, meanwhile, has already stated “this is not a transgender issue” and pointed out she also competed at the last Olympics in Tokyo but it has provided no further clarity as to Khelif’s status. 

 

It is most likely the boxer is an athlete born with differences in sex development (DSD), akin to middle-distance runner Caster Semenya. The extent of any such differences can vary but those with DSD assigned as female at birth often possess internal testes that produce testosterone, giving them a potential size and strength advantage over those without them.

 

Several genes have been found whose function is necessary for normal sexual differentiation. Unlike those that act in other developing organs, the genes involved in sex determination differ extensively between phyla, so one cannot look at Drosophila sex-determining genes and expect to see their homologues directing mammalian sex determination. However, since the phenotype of mutations in sex-determining genes is often sterility, clinical studies have been used to identify those genes that are active in determining whether humans become male or female. Experimental manipulations to confirm the functions of these genes can be done in mice.

Sry: the Y chromosome sex determinant

 

In humans, the major gene for the testis-determining factor resides on the short arm of the Y chromosome. Individuals who are born with the short arm but not the long arm of the Y chromosome are male, while individuals born with the long arm of the Y chromosome but not the short arm are female. By analyzing the DNA of rare XX men and XY women, the position of the testis-determining gene has been narrowed down to a 35,000-base-pair region of the Y chromosome located near the tip of the short arm. In this region, Sinclair and colleagues (1990) found a male-specific DNA sequence that could encode a peptide of 223 amino acids. This peptide is probably a transcription factor, since it contains a DNA-binding domain called the HMG (high-mobility group) box. This domain is found in several transcription factors and nonhistone chromatin proteins, and it induces bending in the region of DNA to which it binds (Figure 17.5; Giese et al. 1992). This gene is called SRY (sex-determining region of the Y chromosome), and there is extensive evidence that it is indeed the gene that encodes the human testis-determining factor. SRY is found in normal XY males and in the rare XX males, and it is absent from normal XX females and from many XY females. Another group of XY females was found to have point or frameshift mutations in the SRY gene; these mutations prevent the SRY protein from binding to or bending DNA (Pontiggia et al. 1994; Werner et al. 1995). It is thought that several testis-specific genes contain SRY-binding sites in their promoters or enhancers, and that the binding of SRY to these sites begins the developmental pathway to testis formation (Cohen et al. 1994).

 

Michael Phelps body products half the normal lactic acid than the regular person, meaning he doesn't fatigue the way other athletes do.  Do people think he should be banned from competition and medals stripped because he has a natural, biological advantage?

[Goose]

1 hour ago, Johngould21 said:

This was one hell of a fight. I think I heard he's the only male boxer from Canada in the Olympics. What happened to Canadian boxing?

 

 

All things considered Canada has had a decent amateur program, but compared to historically strong programs (USA, UK, RUS, China, India, Soviet-era countries) the financial investment and sheer number of fighters vastly outweighs Canada.  It’s just a whole other level of internal competition.  In Canada due to our geography, we rarely get to see fighters from out east and vice versa unless its a qualifier for nationals, PAN-AM games etc.  But Canada has produced some pretty good athletes despite the odds, just not as consistently. 

[bolt]