Popular Post Rip The Mesh Posted July 24 Popular Post Share Posted July 24 There are few people who represent the Vancouver Canucks better than the Sedin twins. They’re some of the best players to ever wear the sweater and have stuck with the organization during their post-playing days. Next season their roles will increase as they continue to grow and flourish in their player development positions. This means more responsibility including a much greater say in the team’s power play approach. “The Sedins, they’ve been so good for us what they’ve done, cause they quietly just help a lot of players, but you’re going to see that they will be more involved than they have in the past,” stated team president Jim Rutherford on a recent episode of The Bob McCown Podcast. “They’ll be more involved in helping with that power play.” The Canucks struggled on the power play last season, especially in the second half of the year as well as in the playoffs. They converted just 13.9% of chances in the postseason. The increased role means that they’ll be adding more coaching responsibilities, like running the power play, onto their development role. “Yes,” responded Rutherford when asked if the twins are now effectively part of Rick Tocchet’s coaching staff. “Their titles aren’t assistant coaches; they’re still on the development side because they like to go work in Abbotsford with the guys there, and they’ve been really good at that. But yeah, they effectively will be part of Rick’s staff.” While they may be working mostly behind the scenes, the twins have already made a huge impact, according to Rutherford. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 6of1_halfdozenofother Posted July 24 Popular Post Share Posted July 24 Short of finding a way to share their telepathic link, I'm guessing they'll be downloading their knowledge via mind meld. 3 11 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Aha...the old, cycle the puck until they get dizzy trick! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 How Swede it is! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted July 24 Popular Post Share Posted July 24 18 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Aha...the old, cycle the puck until they get dizzy trick! I’ll take puck movement and moving their feet over what we were seeing at times. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 words. Drop Pass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Short of finding a way to share their telepathic link, I'm guessing they'll be downloading their knowledge via mind meld. what will Spuck be conveying? Live long and prosper, playing hockey and You're the worlds best 'Vulcan' hockey player so play like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Hammertime said: 2 words. Drop Pass! Edler is gone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Ballisticsports said: what will Spuck be conveying? Live long and prosper, playing hockey and You're the worlds best 'Vulcan' hockey player so play like it They'll use Vulcanized rubber. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Why don't the Canucks players just develop innate chemistry bordering on actual telepathy? Are they stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 8 hours ago, Hammertime said: 2 words. Drop Pass! One word: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Unpopular opinion but I don’t think this will work as well as people will think. It’s the Gretzky conundrum where you can’t teach people to think at the level the Sedins did so what they were able to accomplish on the powerplay can’t really be replicated because they saw things other players couldn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: Unpopular opinion but I don’t think this will work as well as people will think. It’s the Gretzky conundrum where you can’t teach people to think at the level the Sedins did so what they were able to accomplish on the powerplay can’t really be replicated because they saw things other players couldn’t. Meh. This might piss some people off from the "glory days" of "#1 PP in the LEAGUE" ... but it really was just that. The best at the time (was it 24.6%?..just going by memory). 25% is a very good power play though. We've had better. And have matched it in recent years as far as the entire point, which is putting the puck in the net. Just because we don't have a McDavid PP, doesn't mean we haven't had some success either. That's why it's based on percentage. I'm not expecting them to learn how to keep the puck in the other zone for 2 minutes but suppose that's ok as long as they don't learn the part about when it really matters, we don't let the shorthanded chances and goals against as well. Not that they weren't great because they were, let's not lose site that what we've seen recently hasn't matched or close to matched, Naslund... well suppose the 80's doesn't count because different era. But that's when it was actually the most productive. Edited July 26 by IBatch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Canucks powerplay strategies: 1. Drop pass 2. Pass around on the perimeter then lose control of the puck 3. Give a 2 on 1 breakaway going the other way 4. Get scored on the man advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On 7/25/2024 at 7:23 AM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Short of finding a way to share their telepathic link, I'm guessing they'll be downloading their knowledge via mind meld. The Sedins, physically, in skills, but also specifically in tactics were amongst the most drilled and proficient players. Body control with the puck. Tying off a bigger man on the boards, heck anywhere, on the cycle? Read and react planned plays. Timing based on endurance; how many times did they start breaking to the middle of the ice after cycling 45 or 60 seconds in an opponents zone. Knowing their opponent was gassed. Pick plays. These and many other tactics can be trained for, practiced, executed by others. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: The Sedins, physically, in skills, but also specifically in tactics were amongst the most drilled and proficient players. Body control with the puck. Tying off a bigger man on the boards, heck anywhere, on the cycle? Read and react planned plays. Timing based on endurance; how many times did they start breaking to the middle of the ice after cycling 45 or 60 seconds in an opponents zone. Knowing their opponent was gassed. Pick plays. These and many other tactics can be trained for, practiced, executed by others. It was more than just trained and practiced for... Its plays they grew up making from childhood... I think, it will be very hard to replicate for players not this close to one another... However, it is definitely worth a shot, as it wasn't like our PP was fabulous last season... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 10 hours ago, spook007 said: It was more than just trained and practiced for... Its plays they grew up making from childhood... I think, it will be very hard to replicate for players not this close to one another... However, it is definitely worth a shot, as it wasn't like our PP was fabulous last season... The Sedin's were innovators. Look at what I did not mention, use of the slap pass? Its fair that some plays are hard to duplicate without the many years of repetition few others had the luxury of? Hard to duplicate easily or not. There is no tactic that cannot be observed and taught. This also goes for types of players. Imagine a 180lb Swede boxing off a 220lb defenseman. The body frame that did it, ectomorph, hint Pettersson is also one, is the rarest of athletic body types at roughly 3% of population. The Twins and Petey also taller than average at 6'2''. Having advantages in energy & endurance, each of these three trained amazing core strength in to their arsenal. Their height allows/ed any of them to hold the puck at a distance from their leg stance. Their core flexibility means they can lean & do not take the beating across a rigid body. Then still handle the puck with some ogre leaning on them & it actually puts a Shea Weber off balance trying. But keeping it simple almost all of their rotational, backdoor, and varying criss cross & pick plays are now in coaches play books. The average athlete just never tried them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 14 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: The Sedin's were innovators. Look at what I did not mention, use of the slap pass? Its fair that some plays are hard to duplicate without the many years of repetition few others had the luxury of? Hard to duplicate easily or not. There is no tactic that cannot be observed and taught. This also goes for types of players. Imagine a 180lb Swede boxing off a 220lb defenseman. The body frame that did it, ectomorph, hint Pettersson is also one, is the rarest of athletic body types at roughly 3% of population. The Twins and Petey also taller than average at 6'2''. Having advantages in energy & endurance, each of these three trained amazing core strength in to their arsenal. Their height allows/ed any of them to hold the puck at a distance from their leg stance. Their core flexibility means they can lean & do not take the beating across a rigid body. Then still handle the puck with some ogre leaning on them & it actually puts a Shea Weber off balance trying. But keeping it simple almost all of their rotational, backdoor, and varying criss cross & pick plays are now in coaches play books. The average athlete just never tried them. Cheers Surfer... Yeah as I said its well worth a try, and even at 90% it would be a massive improvement... Thing is Burrows kind of figured it out. if not being telepathic at least he knew, where they wanted him to go... Petey has a gift, and when he is on song, he jus up there with the best of them... getting him a partner that would understand it entirely would be like winning the jackpot.. PS. I remember my first game at GM Place... Sedins were second line players and they scored one of their slap pass goals... you could see instantly they had something going between them... good times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey the Puck Whisperer Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Well this should be terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 5 hours ago, Petey the Puck Whisperer said: Well this should be terrible. With the elite skill of Hughes and pettersson they should have some things to add. I thought Miller and Boeser started to produce alot of cycle play last year that likely had some sedin influence. I'd like to see the power play work some small area give and go on the lw boards and corner and open up petey on the weak side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The Sedins are very intelligent people and clearly have a great mind for the game. That being said, their power play prowess is largely overblown by local media and some fans. They made a few innovations early on (like the slap pass) but their power plays then became very stagnant and predictable. Following the two Presidents' Trophy seasons where our power play was quite good (including league leading in 2010-11), the rest of the Sedins' career it was actually quite bad with our power play being in the bottom 10 teams in the league almost every season. It was 9th worst in 2012-13 and bottom 5 in 2013-14, 2015-16, and 2016-17. It became extremely predictable with a drop pass to enter the zone followed by standing around and passing around the perimeter waiting for the perfect shot. I actually think players like Pettersson and Hughes are more creative than the Sedins were and hope the Sedins don't try to make the power play too formulaic. But, as I said, the Sedins are highly intelligent and may end up becoming power play coaching gurus. I do think one of our issues recently has been Petey standing around too much looking for the perfect shot so hopefully the Sedins can convince him to move around a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJCF96 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 On 8/5/2024 at 11:31 AM, Diamonds said: The Sedins are very intelligent people and clearly have a great mind for the game. That being said, their power play prowess is largely overblown by local media and some fans. They made a few innovations early on (like the slap pass) but their power plays then became very stagnant and predictable. Following the two Presidents' Trophy seasons where our power play was quite good (including league leading in 2010-11), the rest of the Sedins' career it was actually quite bad with our power play being in the bottom 10 teams in the league almost every season. It was 9th worst in 2012-13 and bottom 5 in 2013-14, 2015-16, and 2016-17. It became extremely predictable with a drop pass to enter the zone followed by standing around and passing around the perimeter waiting for the perfect shot. I actually think players like Pettersson and Hughes are more creative than the Sedins were and hope the Sedins don't try to make the power play too formulaic. But, as I said, the Sedins are highly intelligent and may end up becoming power play coaching gurus. I do think one of our issues recently has been Petey standing around too much looking for the perfect shot so hopefully the Sedins can convince him to move around a bit more. The lack of powerplay success in the lateral half of their career can't really be blamed on them. 2012-13: Kesler was missing almost a quarter of the season, and there aren't much depth up and down the line up that season. Outside of Sedins and Alex Burrows, without Ryan Kesler, we had a combination, Raymond, Higgins, Booth, Hansen, Kassian Ebett all took turns on the powerplay. At this point of their careers, these players are more of third liners, but aren't your ideal second line players. The team overall just didn't have the same depth/quality up front as 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012. 2013-14: Torts run the Sedins to the ground, playing them 20+ minutes a night. The lack of scoring problem that plagued the Canucks in 2013 is still an issue (and it got worse). Torts' system wasn't suited for our group of players and the whole team was exhausted by the second half of the season and it was also a year that nothing went right for us. The Hamhuis own goal against Luongo against the Canadiens pretty much summed up our season in a nutshell. 2016-18: Teams were straight up bad teams that extremely lack top 6 quality forwards. Scoring in the years of 2016 and 2017 season in particular were bad. We did not have a single defenseman that can quarter back the powerplay and Willie D also put suspects like Megna, Chaput and Skille in those units which you can' treally mid-30s Sedins to elevate their play much more. In summary, a key ingredient to a good powerplay is to have the right personnel playing every position: net front, bumper, both-half walls (with atleast one side as a one timer threat) and also a defenseman who can effectively run a powerplay from the point. Ideally, you have a decent/above average second unit that can provide scoring threat and keep the opposint team penalty killers honest. The Canucks from 2013-19 didn't really have the right personels of a good powerplay and it isn't the Sedins fault. I think the current Canucks team does have the personnel of a very good first unit Poweplay if we can execute. Find the personnel to build a stronger 2nd unit, and I think the goal should aim to be a top 5 Powerplay team this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) Felt like Tocchet was trying to force a square peg in a round hole with the powerplay last season. Movement gets added as a wrinkle to an already good powerplay. But it's not the meat and potatoes of the pp. Puck movement and deception need to be more important and I'm happy the Sedins will be more involved. This is the kind of deception I want to see on the regular like. Edited August 8 by Pure961089 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 On 7/26/2024 at 3:52 PM, Canuck Surfer said: The Sedin's were innovators. Look at what I did not mention, use of the slap pass? Its fair that some plays are hard to duplicate without the many years of repetition few others had the luxury of? Hard to duplicate easily or not. There is no tactic that cannot be observed and taught. This also goes for types of players. Imagine a 180lb Swede boxing off a 220lb defenseman. The body frame that did it, ectomorph, hint Pettersson is also one, is the rarest of athletic body types at roughly 3% of population. The Twins and Petey also taller than average at 6'2''. Having advantages in energy & endurance, each of these three trained amazing core strength in to their arsenal. Their height allows/ed any of them to hold the puck at a distance from their leg stance. Their core flexibility means they can lean & do not take the beating across a rigid body. Then still handle the puck with some ogre leaning on them & it actually puts a Shea Weber off balance trying. But keeping it simple almost all of their rotational, backdoor, and varying criss cross & pick plays are now in coaches play books. The average athlete just never tried them. I'm sure Petey will develop the core strength that the Sedins had eventually. When they were younger, they fell down all the time too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combover Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I guess we’ll see the cycle and slap pass were great but the perimeter passing and over passing with minimal shots not so much. They’ve been underestimated before so hopefully they can get this PP to stop being poopoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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