[SIGNING] Edmonton extends Leon Draisaitl 8 years $14 million AAV

[Alflives]

And we have JT Miller locked up at 8 per. Best contract in the league, especially with Big dummies, like Leon, getting 14. 

[Provost]

We can’t be too cocky…. Hughes is going to cost us similar money when he comes up for a new contract.

 

Ge already held out once, no reason to think he won’t go for max dollars again.

[CanucksJay]

29 minutes ago, Provost said:

We can’t be too cocky…. Hughes is going to cost us similar money when he comes up for a new contract.

 

Ge already held out once, no reason to think he won’t go for max dollars again.

The guy won us our first Norris. 

I don't mind paying him at all. 

Best d man in the league

[King Heffy]

18 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

The guy won us our first Norris. 

I don't mind paying him at all. 

Best d man in the league

Not to mention he's not a disgrace to the sport on and off the ice like Crysaitl is.  Paying 14M for a locker room cancer has to sting.

[Hammertime]

47 minutes ago, Provost said:

We can’t be too cocky…. Hughes is going to cost us similar money when he comes up for a new contract.

 

Ge already held out once, no reason to think he won’t go for max dollars again.

Ya he will. 

 

We are witnessing possibly the best player in franchise history. 

[MeanSeanBean]

On 9/3/2024 at 10:11 AM, chris12345 said:

It takes a lot to move to Alberta. I could double my salary if I moved there and I still won't do it.

Can't put a price on happiness

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:

Can't put a price on happiness

There are very strong reasons why Albertans retire to here and not the other way around. 

[AnthonyG]

12 hours ago, Provost said:

We can’t be too cocky…. Hughes is going to cost us similar money when he comes up for a new contract.

 

Ge already held out once, no reason to think he won’t go for max dollars again.

 But even if Hughes does, Miller, Pettersson, Boeser, Demko, DeBrusk, Hronek are all a few years into their deals and the adjustment will show savings on all those contracts. Edmonton will have 4 guys all within 1 year of each other being overpaid and that will take years for the salary cap to catch up to those deals 

[bh90]

15 hours ago, Provost said:

We can’t be too cocky…. Hughes is going to cost us similar money when he comes up for a new contract.

 

Ge already held out once, no reason to think he won’t go for max dollars again.

He held out sure but the contract he ended up signing at the time was considered a team friendly deal even at that time.

 

Don't think we should lose track of that.

 

Who knows what Benning was trying to offer him

[bh90]

On 9/4/2024 at 4:46 AM, IBatch said:

The same guy who outplayed our Norris winning D in the same series.    Know you've got a boner for him and Reilly plus a few other NHL d's, the kids only 24 and been making a name for himself since 22.   Plays his size, RHD and 5th in Norris votes (rightly so, 18 goals 82 points, and a gaudy  plus 34, tops on his team and yes Ekholm helps with that, he also helps Ekholm or did last year anyways), we'd be stoked to have him on our team too.   He's just doing exactly what his prospect bio predicted he'd do at some point.   A little early.    Yes he likes to give the puck away, 23 times more than he took it away.     The sky's the limit for both him, Dobson and QHs..Dahlin.   Quite the class (Boqvist) for NHL D's, maybe the best all-time once it's all said and done.    These guys won't peak until they are 29-30.    And the ones who don't get injuries, likely end up doing great until their mid 30's, that's the way it works.   Of their core, Bouchard is probably the most likeable player.    That part is telling. 

 

Edit:  32 points as a D...guys like Al Mac and Brian Leetch won the Conn Smythe with stats like that.  6 goals, and plus 14 in 25 games.     That's the 3rd most productive single playoff season all-time.   Only Coffey and Leetch managed more.   

 

Cheers to this

I hate every ounce of edmonton oilers but for people to continously say Bouchard is AHL quality is laughable.

 

The guy is a weapon and would love to add him to the canucks if we somehow could

[Provost]

1 hour ago, bh90 said:

He held out sure but the contract he ended up signing at the time was considered a team friendly deal even at that time.

 

Don't think we should lose track of that.

 

Who knows what Benning was trying to offer him

It wasn’t team friendly at all, it was designed to walk him directly to free agency and having 100% of the leverage  without letting the team buy UFA years.

 

It is set up for a massive demand for max term where he will be able to be making prime years salary into his mid thirties 

 

 

Edited September 5 by Provost

[Ghostsof1915]

On 9/3/2024 at 6:15 PM, N4ZZY said:

I dunno how Edmonton's going to keep Bouchard, Draisaitl and eventually McDavid all under the cap and also field a competitive team on the ice. 

 

I mean, I guess the team could find a way to keep all three, but what good is that going to do if the rest of the roster sucks? 

 

Hopefully they won't be competitive.

[J-P]

18 minutes ago, Provost said:

It wasn’t team friendly at all, it was designed to walk him directly to free agency and having 100% of the leverage  without letting the team buy UFA years.

 

It is set up for a massive demand for max term where he will be able to be making prime years salary into his mid thirties 

 

 

It was somewhere in the middle. He hadn't earned that contract at that point, but at the same time I'm sure he would have liked a shorter deal. It was a gamble from the organization that turned out great, while at the same time a compromise from QH to get a salary he hadn't yet lived up to. In the end it's a win win imo even if the next contract will be expensive.

 

It's the same with EP really, 11.6 could be as much of a steal as JT:s deal (or even more). Or not.

[HKSR]

1 hour ago, bh90 said:

 

Cheers to this

I hate every ounce of edmonton oilers but for people to continously say Bouchard is AHL quality is laughable.

 

The guy is a weapon and would love to add him to the canucks if we somehow could

It'll change when he puts on a Canada jersey.  Having Makar, Bouchard, and Dobson down the right side will be incredible.

[IBatch]

24 minutes ago, J-P said:

It was somewhere in the middle. He hadn't earned that contract at that point, but at the same time I'm sure he would have liked a shorter deal. It was a gamble from the organization that turned out great, while at the same time a compromise from QH to get a salary he hadn't yet lived up to. In the end it's a win win imo even if the next contract will be expensive.

 

It's the same with EP really, 11.6 could be as much of a steal as JT:s deal (or even more). Or not.

Agree with you on QHs.   Like Draisaitl, he's going to earn his next deal, same way McKinnon did too.   Same way Tavares and Stamkos did as well.

 

Id much rather this then overpaying all the time for potential.   Which appears to be the leagues trend.   

 

As for EP, it's not going to be easy for him to get the same value as Miller does and did on his previous deal as well (another example of how the league should be doing their deals).    Right now it's still close to point per 100k.    So 110 for EP, as the par point, Miller 77 next season.

 

If Miller scores 90-100 (THN has him at 98 this season), the same value is for EP is 125-130.    And by the time his cap hit is at 11-12% four years or so from now ... He's still got to get 94 or so to just hit the par line, Miller will be 60.   Everything EP has to do, is on a much bigger mutiplier. 

 

Edited September 5 by IBatch

[IBatch]

39 minutes ago, HKSR said:

It'll change when he puts on a Canada jersey.  Having Makar, Bouchard, and Dobson down the right side will be incredible.

We've got loads of options for center as usual too.   Goalies not so great. 

[Provost]

59 minutes ago, J-P said:

It was somewhere in the middle. He hadn't earned that contract at that point, but at the same time I'm sure he would have liked a shorter deal. It was a gamble from the organization that turned out great, while at the same time a compromise from QH to get a salary he hadn't yet lived up to. In the end it's a win win imo even if the next contract will be expensive.

 

It's the same with EP really, 11.6 could be as much of a steal as JT:s deal (or even more). Or not.

A shorter deal would mean that he was still an RFA when it came up vs. being a UFA.  That is less advantageous for the player.

 

The team traded off future cost certainty for short term cap savings.  The “win” would have been if the team had locked him up for max term to have cap savings during a contending window. 

[Alflives]

F the Coilers, their players, their fans, and the stinky city. Dryercycle is a wad. 

[IBatch]

3 hours ago, Provost said:

A shorter deal would mean that he was still an RFA when it came up vs. being a UFA.  That is less advantageous for the player.

 

The team traded off future cost certainty for short term cap savings.  The “win” would have been if the team had locked him up for max term to have cap savings during a contending window. 

A six year deal wasn't so bad.   Demko also was a good deal.    If we did EP for 8 years, we wouldn't have him for 11 or all his prime too.   There is some give and go in this, and by staggering the deals it created flexibility (Brock too).    For sure seen a lot worse on other teams.   How's TO going to work out?   Worked well for Horvat didn't it.   Who says we need to keep him?   Can always trade QHs if he's looking for something ridiculous.    What would have QHs wanted for those extra two years?  And would it really of mattered much.

 

JB didn't have the cash to do both EP and QHs on long term deals at what they wanted either.   9 x 8.   He had what he spent.   Not a great job, but there was a window and it's this year and then down the road.   Also i'm not sure QHs is getting 14% of the cap or that he's earned it yet either.   Lots of other Norris d's that didn't, only Doughty and EK. 

Edited September 6 by IBatch

[Elias Pettersson]

6 hours ago, Provost said:

It wasn’t team friendly at all, it was designed to walk him directly to free agency and having 100% of the leverage  without letting the team buy UFA years.

 

It is set up for a massive demand for max term where he will be able to be making prime years salary into his mid thirties 

 

 

 

That’s not true.  Hughes signed a 6 year deal which means we bought one UFA year from him.  He would be accruing 7 years in the NHL after next season.  Also, whether it was a 6 or 8 year deal both would have walked him to free agency.  Lots of RFA’s have and are signing 8 year deals.  

[King Heffy]

12 hours ago, bh90 said:

 

Cheers to this

I hate every ounce of edmonton oilers but for people to continously say Bouchard is AHL quality is laughable.

 

The guy is a weapon and would love to add him to the canucks if we somehow could

Bouchard isn't even good enough to play in the AHL.  Why would I pretend that the way he disgraces the sport by refusing to learn how to play his position is acceptable at any level, let alone the NHL?  Every time he's in his own zone, it's a free power play for the other team.  The guy's soft, slow, selfish, and stupid.  The correct league for Bouchard is the ECHL with limited playing time until he decides he cares about winning and is willing to make an attempt to learn how to play in his own zone.

Edited September 6 by King Heffy

[bh90]

On 9/5/2024 at 12:58 PM, Provost said:

It wasn’t team friendly at all, it was designed to walk him directly to free agency and having 100% of the leverage  without letting the team buy UFA years.

 

It is set up for a massive demand for max term where he will be able to be making prime years salary into his mid thirties 

 

 

Not team friendly would've been what Peteterson did by signing to expire with one RFA year left. That's really maximizing your leverage as a RFA as you're putting pressure on all. And than you buy the last year of RFA and subsequent UFA years at a premium. Ditto to Matthews, Marner, and alike

 

We still have Hughes for many more years signed at a steal of a cap hit.

 

Hughes signed a McKinnon, Tkachuk type deal. Prioritizing winning and balancing winning/earnings.

 

Nothing but respect for this guy. He's a true captain and hope he's a Canuck for life

 

 

[spook007]

On 9/5/2024 at 9:47 PM, IBatch said:

Agree with you on QHs.   Like Draisaitl, he's going to earn his next deal, same way McKinnon did too.   Same way Tavares and Stamkos did as well.

 

Id much rather this then overpaying all the time for potential.   Which appears to be the leagues trend.   

 

As for EP, it's not going to be easy for him to get the same value as Miller does and did on his previous deal as well (another example of how the league should be doing their deals).    Right now it's still close to point per 100k.    So 110 for EP, as the par point, Miller 77 next season.

 

If Miller scores 90-100 (THN has him at 98 this season), the same value is for EP is 125-130.    And by the time his cap hit is at 11-12% four years or so from now ... He's still got to get 94 or so to just hit the par line, Miller will be 60.   Everything EP has to do, is on a much bigger mutiplier. 

 

The one thing that speaks for EPs contract is the years he is being paid over... 

They bought EP for his entire prime, where as Miller is/was a huge gamble over, when he would start to decline...

 

Do agree it will be hard for EP to be as good bang for bucks as Miller... He has been a revelation in Vancouver.

[IBatch]

On 9/5/2024 at 5:27 PM, Provost said:

A shorter deal would mean that he was still an RFA when it came up vs. being a UFA.  That is less advantageous for the player.

 

The team traded off future cost certainty for short term cap savings.  The “win” would have been if the team had locked him up for max term to have cap savings during a contending window. 

Noboby was thinking QHs was a great value deal until last season.   One of the more expensive D's gets a bit more expensive on an 8 year deal.   Lets be real too, without Miller way outperforming his deal, and Tochett/Demko there wouldnt be a contending window, and its unlikely JT going to be putting up 99-103 points the last two or three years of his deal.   If he can keep it up, and Demko is healthy things could stretch further.    EP and QHs have a Miller core and possibly a non Miller core with two windows and some pain inbetween.   Unless Allvin is a miracle worker anyways. 

 

 QHs on a smaller deal helps with that.   After, once they all get paid the big bucks who knows.   Worked in 2011 and then down the tubes we went.    After that they will end up waiting for cap to climb to add.  Like most teams do in their cycle, banking on guys who we haven't drafted yet to make an impact (second shot aways down the line).     It's not ideal, but it's not that bad either, JB staggering his deals, helped in some ways, and didnt in others.   Instead of everyone due at the same time.    EPs deal looks expensive now,  when QHs is up, not as rich, but man his is going to be expensive.   He also is very aware of our taxes, as is apparently EP (otherwise 10.5-11).   

 

It's not all bad.   Thanks to Miller.   And hopefully Lekkermaki and Willander too. 

 

Edit:  Believe for a team to have a run of cups, you need RFA deals that make sense, or low/no state taxes (UFA laden teams that win cups).  That's about it.   Otherwise it's a mixed bag.   PIT won two with all their guys paid, TB same plus a third final.   Boston has managed to "contend" for the better part of the past 15 years.    With us, the key right now would be drafting a set of guys to come up to play with EP and QHs, savy trades and JT Miller being the next Pavelski type.   It's possible the team can contend for the next 8 years.    If Allvin is a mad genius.   Regardless going to enjoy this core, sure am already.    It seemed to me a few years ago anyways, that our peak contending window was with EP and QHs around the 27-29 age, having them both come up then wouldn't be a lot of fun.   Seen that with Kane and Toews (at least they won 3 cups), seeing that now with EDM,  and TO.  

 

Fortunately we've only got two guys who will make the big bucks.   Goalies usually don't cost the farm, don't think Demko has the bargaining position for a massive deal.    Hellebuyck just set the price for top goalies, and Demko would need two more Vezina finalist seasons to approach that. 

Edited September 7 by IBatch

[IBatch]

5 hours ago, spook007 said:

The one thing that speaks for EPs contract is the years he is being paid over... 

They bought EP for his entire prime, where as Miller is/was a huge gamble over, when he would start to decline...

 

Do agree it will be hard for EP to be as good bang for bucks as Miller... He has been a revelation in Vancouver.

JT Millers last deal was way under 7.35, and was producing great value (his RFA first two UFA years),  probably the best value of any center not on an ELC league wide.    This is uncommon for players who don't have a big pedigree (and really doesn't happen with those that have a big name - they get paid) we also had/have JT Miller over his entire prime, 11 years is something.   No EP won't likely come close to getting the same bang for the buck.    Bet if we didn't know how much they made, we'd all be jumping in joy we have them both peaking at the same time though.   And that an obvious transition is there for Miller and EP, maybe as soon as next year. 

 

Personally figured Miller could be our 3rd line center year 6 and 7 of his deal, and that its not a big deal either.   And wasnt expecting the season he just had, one of the best by a Canuck.  Does it one more time,  he will be up there with Bure for 95ish-110 point seasons.   Can he do that?  Think he can, and will.   If Brock re-signs, maybe even a few more times.   EP?  There arent any limits for him.   Yes his entire prime, with health, 8 more times. 
 

 

Edited September 7 by IBatch