[Rumor] Canucks linked to Victor Soderstrom

[DeNiro]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

If we do acquire Soderstrom..

Out: 2019 10th overall Vasili Podkolzin

In: 2019 11th overall Victor Soderstrom

Moved down 1 spot in the same draft 

 

That I’d be okay with if the cost to acquire Soderstrom is similar.

 

Both are projects that have a ways to go to be NHL regulars. Soderstrom represents a much bigger need though.

 

Maybe with our young Swedish contingent of players he finds a place here. Worth a shot at least. Much more promising than a 4th round pick for me.

[AnthonyG]

43 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

That I’d be okay with if the cost to acquire Soderstrom is similar.

 

Both are projects that have a ways to go to be NHL regulars. Soderstrom represents a much bigger need though.

 

Maybe with our young Swedish contingent of players he finds a place here. Worth a shot at least. Much more promising than a 4th round pick for me.

wouldn’t it be funny to technically pay to move down in the draft.

 

Perhaps that’s what the plan is, the 4th for Sodastream

Edited August 19 by AnthonyG

[cripplereh]

3 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

wouldn’t it be funny to technically pay to move down in the draft.

 

Perhaps that’s what the plan is, the 4th for Sodastream

Yes and hope he is another Suter type player.

[Viking]

So where does Soderstrom fit with us?

 

1. Hughes

2. Hronek

3. Soucy

4. Desharnais

5. Juulsen

6. Forbort

7. Myers

8. Friedman- will hit waivers

9. Brisebois- will hit waivers

10. Wolanin- will hit waivers

 

Should've never signed Myers and then Soderstrom on a sheltered 3rd pair 2nd PP unit might make sense. But Canucks love them Chaos...If we make the playoffs next year look for 57 to be the next I. Cole for us...unfortunately can't just walk away cause we gave Chaos a NMC & term!

 

I take 1yr deals on Schultz/Shattenkirk/Klingberg/Barrie/Addison/Bortuzzo long before that 3x3m NMC joke of a deal we served up on a Gold platter for #57

 

[DeNiro]

10 minutes ago, Viking said:

So where does Soderstrom fit with us?

 

1. Hughes

2. Hronek

3. Soucy

4. Desharnais

5. Juulsen

6. Forbort

7. Myers

8. Friedman- will hit waivers

9. Brisebois- will hit waivers

10. Wolanin- will hit waivers

 

Should've never signed Myers and then Soderstrom on a sheltered 3rd pair 2nd PP unit might make sense. But Canucks love them Chaos...If we make the playoffs next year look for 57 to be the next I. Cole for us...unfortunately can't just walk away cause we gave Chaos a NMC & term!

 

I take 1yr deals on Schultz/Shattenkirk/Klingberg/Barrie/Addison/Bortuzzo long before that 3x3m NMC joke of a deal we served up on a Gold platter for #57

 

Forbort, Desharnais, and Juulsen are all the same type of D man. Stay at home guys with limited offensive ability.

 

You need different elements on your D core. We have very little in terms of puck movers past Hughes and Hronek (and they’re often on the same pair)

 

Im pretty sure Soderstrom can bring more than Friedman as a number 8 D at the very least.

 

Edited August 19 by DeNiro

[tas]

1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

Forbort, Desharnais, and Juulsen are all the same type of D man. Stay at home guys with limited offensive ability.

 

You need different elements on your D core. We have very little in terms of lick movers.

 

Im pretty sure Soderstrom can bring more than Friedman as a number 8 D at the very least.

being a 7-8 d is a tough, specialist job. being able to stay sharp and step in at a moment's notice after not getting any game action for months at a time is not something everybody is capable of. 

[Viking]

12 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Forbort, Desharnais, and Juulsen are all the same type of D man. Stay at home guys with limited offensive ability.

 

You need different elements on your D core. We have very little in terms of puck movers past Hughes and Hronek (and they’re often on the same pair)

 

Im pretty sure Soderstrom can bring more than Friedman as a number 8 D at the very least.

 

Oh I agree, we dont have the best mix on D, but is a potential #8D worth giving up a 4th rd pick for? Maybe we sending Friedman or Juulsen with the pick for Soderstrom.

 

Still feel like we going down the Penguins who and sign Schultz, why not try BC boy Barrie on a cheap 1yr deal? Shattenkirk is the oldest but can still play it seems although hard to tell when hes been on the AHL Ducks recently

[DeNiro]

38 minutes ago, tas said:

being a 7-8 d is a tough, specialist job. being able to stay sharp and step in at a moment's notice after not getting any game action for months at a time is not something everybody is capable of. 

That’s what training camp is for though. He would have to come into camp with the goal of beating out Forbort or Desharnais for a regular spot.

 

At this point he’s either gonna have to cut it as a depth D man or not at all. No one’s gifting him a spot in a top 4 and I doubt the AHL will do much for him anymore.

 

All it takes is one injury on D and he gets his chance. Wouldn’t be the first d man to emerge from that situation. Let’s just say I like his upside and ceiling more than Juulsen or Friedman if it comes down to playing those depth guys.

 

Edited August 19 by DeNiro

[tas]

8 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

That’s what training camp is for though. He would have to come into camp with the goal of beating out Forbort or Desharnais for a regular spot.

 

At this point he’s either gonna have to cut it as a depth D man or not at all. No one’s gifting him a spot in a top 4 and I doubt the AHL will do much for him anymore.

 

All it takes is one injury on D and he gets his chance. Wouldn’t be the first d man to emerge from that situation. Let’s just say I like his upside and ceiling more than Juulsen or Friedman if it comes down to playing those depth guys.

 

I like the upside too, but for me when it comes to a bottom pairing or extra dman, I just want consistency and dependability. 

[DeNiro]

39 minutes ago, tas said:

I like the upside too, but for me when it comes to a bottom pairing or extra dman, I just want consistency and dependability. 

But unless your Quinn Hughes you need to develop in that role. No team is just gonna air drop you into the top 4.

 

This team has struggled to develop young D men because of this very approach. They’d rather have a Friedman than developing a younger guy.

[tas]

6 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

This team has struggled to develop young D men because of this very approach. They’d rather have a Friedman than developing a younger guy.

can you cite specific examples? i can't really think of any. 

[BTueyCanucksFan]

6 hours ago, tas said:

can you cite specific examples? i can't really think of any. 

Brent Sopel immediately comes to mind for me.... Seriously though, Bryan Allen is probably the easiest name to pick out

Edited August 20 by BTueyCanucksFan

[tas]

9 hours ago, BTueyCanucksFan said:

Brent Sopel immediately comes to mind for me.... Seriously though, Bryan Allen is probably the easiest name to pick out

and which higher upside defensemen did the team pass over in their favour?

[Sika21]

I’d be more than confident in taking reclamation projects or “ Change of Scenery “ defenceman with Gonchar and Foote on the bench. 
 

I think there could be a decent player here.

[BTueyCanucksFan]

4 hours ago, tas said:

and which higher upside defensemen did the team pass over in their favour?

I mean. Every team passed on Shea Weber until he was drafted in the second round. At the end of the day, Shea Weber would have been a better draft choice for our needs than Kesler. Don't get me wrong,  Kesler was a great player for Vancouver and elsewhere,  but he was not elite on the same level as Weber in my opinion

[tas]

18 minutes ago, BTueyCanucksFan said:

I mean. Every team passed on Shea Weber until he was drafted in the second round. At the end of the day, Shea Weber would have been a better draft choice for our needs than Kesler. Don't get me wrong,  Kesler was a great player for Vancouver and elsewhere,  but he was not elite on the same level as Weber in my opinion

that's not passing up a higher upside player, that's a player developing beyond expectations. 

[N4ZZY]

so is this trade happening or what. lol 

 

[Bob Long]

6 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

so is this trade happening or what. lol 

 

 

Depends, is he a backup goalie?

[N4ZZY]

On 8/23/2024 at 7:24 AM, Bob Long said:

 

Depends, is he a backup goalie?

If he can, should we trade for him? 

 

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

I guess this isn't happening

[DrJockitch]

3 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

I guess this isn't happening

Was probably one of those phone calls looking for a switch of failing prospects and they had no interest in Podz. 

[King Heffy]

On 8/19/2024 at 2:16 PM, Viking said:

Oh I agree, we dont have the best mix on D, but is a potential #8D worth giving up a 4th rd pick for? Maybe we sending Friedman or Juulsen with the pick for Soderstrom.

 

Still feel like we going down the Penguins who and sign Schultz, why not try BC boy Barrie on a cheap 1yr deal? Shattenkirk is the oldest but can still play it seems although hard to tell when hes been on the AHL Ducks recently

Because Barrie would be lucky to crack the Abbotsford lineup with his inability to play defence.

[Snoop Hogg]

On 8/23/2024 at 7:24 AM, Bob Long said:

 

Depends, is he a backup goalie?

No, Depends is an adult diaper.

[RWJC]

On 8/19/2024 at 2:52 PM, tas said:

I like the upside too, but for me when it comes to a bottom pairing or extra dman, I just want consistency and dependability. 

But we don’t just need an extra Dman. What we need is something specific that can fill that two way role with a slant on the O side should Huggy or Hronek hit an injury. Our potential backend production becomes quite limited and could impact our F transition game when you factor either of those two out of the lineup. I think we need one more 3/4 LD to push others down the lineup and will likely have obtained that by trade deadline. 

Forbort (LD), Desharnais and Juulsen (both RD) are excellent for depth but imho not ideal as regular top 6 on a contending roster, although I do believe they will fill in admirably. 
 

I can see us going after a Marcus Pettersson type that fits the 3-4-5 role on the depth chart. Or perhaps someone with even more O upside, like a UFA Chychrun type (depending on how either PIT or WSH fares). What I’d like to see though if we do pursue and move any valuable pieces is avoid the soon to be UFAs and acquire a mid 20s Dman who is still affordable, has a little term to his deal and is ready to step up into a more prominent role. No guarantees that EPD or Willander will slide in and be relied upon to contribute immediately, so would love for us to pick up a current NHL Dman who balances out the interim and can still grow with the club. 

Edited August 26 by RWJC