the destroyer of worlds Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Satchmo said: I'm not disputing the fact that Parks Canada is in charge of national parks. I'm just commenting on the mileage Cons are trying to get out of this and the implication - with no proof based on past practices - that they would somehow have done better. Based on Alberta and Ontario CONs cutting fire budgets, that would be a hard no. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted July 26 Popular Post Share Posted July 26 7 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Based on Alberta and Ontario CONs cutting fire budgets, that would be a hard no. Cutting services is a conservatives favorite pastime. Right next to blaming everyone else for the problems it causes down the line. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Although it's an opinion piece, it raises some very important points, and also provides some insight that those of us on the outside won't necessarily see on the inside. https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2024/07/26/Jasper-Grim-Warning-Canada-Wildfire-Failure/ Excerpt: Quote In the summer of 2010, Parks Canada fire manager Dave Smith conducted aerial and ground surveys of three main valleys in Jasper National Park and found that 400 trees had been attacked by the mountain pine beetle. Until then, Jasper had been one of the few regions on the east slopes of the Rockies that had not been seriously affected by this slow-moving catastrophe. This beetle species has destroyed pristine views, shuttered lumber mills, increased the threat of forest fires while dead needles are still in the trees and reshaped British Columbia’s economy. In 2011, I joined Smith on an aerial and ground survey to see how the infestation was progressing. So many trees in Jasper had been reddened by the pine beetle that Smith decided there was no use counting again; he would have to find some other way of monitoring the situation. Before he retired, Smith told me that, although he loved his job, he had trouble sleeping at night on hot summer days. He worried about a wind-driven wildfire sweeping through the highly combustible needles still clinging to all those dead trees and the living stands of 80-year-old spruce and pine that were at risk of burning. It wasn’t just the aging forest and dead needles that worried him; it was the intense heat, extended droughts and lightning that were intensifying in a rapidly warming world. Parks Canada fire specialists like Smith have done a lot to prevent fire from coming into Jasper, Banff and other park towns across the country. Forests have been thinned, controlled burns have been ignited to reduce the threat of fire, and business and residential owners have been encouraged to make their properties fire smart. But even that was not enough to save Jasper from the heartbreak its residents are going through. Jasper’s aggressive response came too late to take the necessary actions to make the national park more resilient to fire. Perhaps, most critically, a century of fire suppression has left behind too many aging trees and not enough space for more resilient stands to be regenerated. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbriggs Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 20 hours ago, 6YPE said: Thats a pretty weak excuse, politicians certainly seem to get paid and so do a lot of their pet projects, you'd think if politicians were working for the people they'd do the right thing for the people who vote for them and pay their salaries the public sector in general gets paid for shear incomitance, the government couldn't manage a kindergarten class correctly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 9 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Although it's an opinion piece, it raises some very important points, and also provides some insight that those of us on the outside won't necessarily see on the inside. https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2024/07/26/Jasper-Grim-Warning-Canada-Wildfire-Failure/ Excerpt: The warmer our winters get, the more pine beetles will survive and continue to push north and east. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 14 minutes ago, sbriggs said: the public sector in general gets paid for shear incomitance, the government couldn't manage a kindergarten class correctly 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbriggs Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Thx for the correction, you do get my point though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Dude, he's talking about the strain of strabismus 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Dude, he's talking about the strain of strabismus And here I thought it was the "breaking off" of "eye tracking misalignment", ergo a re-alignment of eye tracking, or in other words, correction of vision! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 8 hours ago, King Heffy said: No reason we couldn't partner with a southern hemisphere country like Australia and create some year round positions with job security. Share the expense and keep experienced firefighters. There has been a long association between our countries in regards to helping each other in bushfire season. New Zealand also has been helping. https://wildfiretoday.com/2024/07/23/australian-and-new-zealand-firefighters-head-to-canada-as-part-of-years-long-partnership/ Currently there are Aussie firefighters helping fight the fires in your country. https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/am/australian-firefighters-helping-in-canada-as-fires-grip-jasper/104145212 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Does Trudeau pay you to defend him this hard? You wouldn't be making " jokes " in a thread about bushfires if you were a victim, or knew people who were. FFS these people have lost everything. Those 2009 fires I was talking about, I knew people in Kinglake. We had been building a downhill MTB trail there for year's. Always stopped at the bakery to get some lunch. I don't drink alcohol, however we used to stop at the pub after a days building or riding and have a chat and a drink. People I know died. Good people come together and help each other. Not make pathetic statements on an internet forum. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 16 minutes ago, Ilunga said: You wouldn't be making " jokes " in a thread about bushfires if you were a victim, or knew people who were. FFS these people have lost everything. Those 2009 fires I was talking about, I knew people in Kinglake. We had been building a downhill MTB trail there for year's. Always stopped at the bakery to get some lunch. I don't drink alcohol, however we used to stop at the pub after a days building or riding and have a chat and a drink. People I know died. Good people come together and help each other. Not make pathetic statements on an internet forum. Seems weird to single him out for making jokes when this last page is littered with actual memes.... telling people to help each other and not make statements on an internet forum via an internet forum. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Seems weird to single him out for making jokes when this last page is littered with actual memes.... telling people to help each other and not make statements on an internet forum via an internet forum. He professes to be a Christian. That's not very Christian behaviour IMO. That's my problem with him. What's your problem with me ? Like be honest, spit it out. This is something I am very passionate about. I have both lived through bushfires, and fought them. I was also a volunteer, helping clean up the town of Kinglake after the fires. Donating both my time and money. Also helped with fundraising. Edit. And where did I tell anyone to do anything. I called him out in his comments. I have never told anyone to do anything in my life. Edited July 27 by Ilunga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Hopefully we act in time to save Banff. Anyone know a good place to donate for Jasper? https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/primed-to-burn-former-parks-canada-forestry-scientist-fears-the-worst-for-banff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Ilunga said: You wouldn't be making " jokes " in a thread about bushfires if you were a victim, or knew people who were. FFS these people have lost everything. Those 2009 fires I was talking about, I knew people in Kinglake. We had been building a downhill MTB trail there for year's. Always stopped at the bakery to get some lunch. I don't drink alcohol, however we used to stop at the pub after a days building or riding and have a chat and a drink. People I know died. Good people come together and help each other. Not make pathetic statements on an internet forum. What exactly is funny about a poster shilling for our government so hard that he never holds them accountable for anything? You think this post is funny and belongs in this thread? You must think it’s funny because you didn’t call out the poster for it like you called me out. 9 hours ago, Warhippy said: Same with Bolt and every ther Conservative right now. It's actually weird. if Trudeau charged every single one of them that wanted to fuck him $1000 he'd probably have enough to pay down a sizeable amount of the national debt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 So many things wrong with our country trying to deal with this on a yearly basis.Need to put funds in this not shipping billions to Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, Cromeslab said: So many things wrong with our country trying to deal with this on a yearly basis.Need to put funds in this not shipping billions to Ukraine Giving the Ukrainians the tools they need to exterminate the Russians directly assists with our national security in the North. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: What exactly is funny about a poster shilling for our government so hard that he never holds them accountable for anything? You think this post is funny and belongs in this thread? You must think it’s funny because you didn’t call out the poster for it like you called me out. Who gives a fuck about blaming anyone, while people have lost everything. Some things that can't be replaced. You haven't showed any compassion towards those people who have been victims of these fires. Just making smart arse comments. In another thread you called people scum, just for burning a bit of cloth and vandalising some objects. Insinuating that they were immigrants and need to be deported, without providing any evidence that they are indeed immigrants. You promote conspiracy theories, and post from sites that are known to publish false information/fake news. Again, I will ask you what would you saviour Jesus be saying/doing, if he was a real person and alive right now ? Blaming politicians ? Or showing compassion/helping the victims of these bushfires. This is why I have finally called you out in this thread. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 https://www.facebook.com/share/v/nYiPYN7DQAbe4cnC/?mibextid=a6qBZl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 48 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Giving the Ukrainians the tools they need to exterminate the Russians directly assists with our national security in the North. I just think funds could be better spent locally imo let’s take care of our identity Russia is gonna Russia no need to fund that bs let’s protect our boundaries cuz the Russians have proven they don’t care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 57 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Who gives a fuck about blaming anyone, while people have lost everything. Some things that can't be replaced. You haven't showed any compassion towards those people who have been victims of these fires. Just making smart arse comments. In another thread you called people scum, just for burning a bit of cloth and vandalising some objects. Insinuating that they were immigrants and need to be deported, without providing any evidence that they are indeed immigrants. You promote conspiracy theories, and post from sites that are known to publish false information/fake news. Again, I will ask you what would you saviour Jesus be saying/doing, if he was a real person and alive right now ? Blaming politicians ? Or showing compassion/helping the victims of these bushfires. This is why I have finally called you out in this thread. Is this some type of a joke? Burning some cloth and vandalizing a few objects? What kind of person thinks burning a flag and vandalizing government property is no big deal? Honestly Dave, you’ve gone off the deep end. I hope you find peace in life again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Is this some type of a joke? Burning some cloth and vandalizing a few objects? What kind of person thinks burning a flag and vandalizing government property is no big deal? Honestly Dave, you’ve gone off the deep end. I hope you find peace in life again. What I don't believe in, is calling people scum for acting in that manner, or calling people scum full stop. It's not only dehumanising them, it contributes to the ever widening divide in our societies. The people who have vandalised public objects deserve to be prosecuted and pay the price for their actions. And what about your deportation comments ? Are you going to own them ? Do you have evidence that the people who vandalized and burnt the flags are immigrants ? Or were you just dog whistling ? Again do you believe that Jesus would call people scum or call for them to be deported ? Or do you only pay lip service to your beliefs. As for flag burning, personally I couldn't give a flying proverbial. As has been pointed out to you that's their right. If you respect a piece of cloth that's totally OK. I respect your right to think this way. Me, I couldn't give a flying proverbial. As I have stated many times, nationalism is one of the things that divides us. Maybe if there was a world flag, I might have some respect for that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 48 minutes ago, Ilunga said: What I don't believe in, is calling people scum for acting in that manner, or calling people scum full stop. It's not only dehumanising them, it contributes to the ever widening divide in our societies. The people who have vandalised public objects deserve to be prosecuted and pay the price for their actions. And what about your deportation comments ? Are you going to own them ? Do you have evidence that the people who vandalized and burnt the flags are immigrants ? Or were you just dog whistling ? Again do you believe that Jesus would call people scum or call for them to be deported ? Or do you only pay lip service to your beliefs. As for flag burning, personally I couldn't give a flying proverbial. As has been pointed out to you that's their right. If you respect a piece of cloth that's totally OK. I respect your right to think this way. Me, I couldn't give a flying proverbial. As I have stated many times, nationalism is one of the things that divides us. Maybe if there was a world flag, I might have some respect for that. Those people in the video were assaulting police officers. They were also writing the word HAMAS on sacred government property. They are extremists who support and sympathize with a terrorist organization. They are scum and need to be arrested and deported. There is no way an actual US citizen would act in the same fashion as those scum. Why are you comparing me to Jesus? I’m just a normal schmuck on this earth like everybody else. We are all sinners. And we will all pay for our sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Those people in the video were assaulting police officers. They were also writing the word HAMAS on sacred government property. They are extremists who support and sympathize with a terrorist organization. They are scum and need to be arrested and deported. There is no way an actual US citizen would act in the same fashion as those scum. Why are you comparing me to Jesus? I’m just a normal schmuck on this earth like everybody else. We are all sinners. And we will all pay for our sins. Do you realise how absurd, uninformed and wrong your statement is ? From a reliable source https://time.com/7003081/photos-netanyahu-washington-dc-protests-demonstrations-police-clashes-arrests-capitol/ " We need to say not in our name " Irene Ippolito, a protestor is quoted as telling Al Jazeera. " As AMERICAN CITIZENS we have to realise that this could not be taking place without our tax dollars " Calling people scum illustrates exactly what sort of person you are. I believe that the people who vandalized public property should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. As for comparing you to Jesus, you purport to believe in him, and presumably his teachings. Do you believe Jesus would call these people scum ? Do you believe he would call anyone scum ? While I don't believe what you do, I am certain that the Jesus I was taught about in school wouldn't call people scum. And he wouldn't be happy with so called believers that do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonton Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) Mckenna seemed to think it was her responsibility. Edited July 27 by Bonton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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