canuck73_3 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 4 hours ago, PureQuickness said: I'm not. However, I did refer to sources like Rishaug (Edmonton reporter for TSN), along with Steve Dangle (Toronto fan). The two have very different approaches to the topic, but they both generally agree that Edmonton is not in a good spot. Both players are former first round picks. Dangle specifically said that Broberg is a good young defenseman. And if you put the pieces together of what we all know - that Edmonton is not chock full of defensive prospects - one can readily see that Broberg is not a player that you can just give up for a 2nd rounder. And to be clear, it's not a high 2nd rounder most likely. You're looking at potentially a LOW 2nd rounder, bordering a 3rd round pick. That's NOT a good return at all. The defenseman was a former 8th overall pick who had a very good season + playoffs at 23 years old. It's clear as day that Edmonton can't afford to let Broberg walk. Absolute best case scenario for Edmonton it is a mid 2nd round pick, they’re too good of a team to bottom out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bhoodlum Posted August 15 Popular Post Share Posted August 15 I really hope the current GMs all loathe Stan "Cover Up SA" Bowman so much he's essentially blacklisted and even minor moves will require a MASSIVE overpayment because fuck that piece of vile shit. 2 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bob Long Posted August 15 Popular Post Share Posted August 15 3 minutes ago, bhoodlum said: I really hope the current GMs all loathe Stan "Cover Up SA" Bowman so much he's essentially blacklisted and even minor moves will require a MASSIVE overpayment because fuck that piece of vile shit. I'm sure it played into the decision. Maybe not a key factor, but certainly a lack of respect element there. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 The Oilers haven't matched yet have they? Puckpedia has them on the Oilers roster as signed. I'm wondering - if they are unable to move a player, are they in a position that they can't match the offer? There must be some GM's trying to play hardball with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said: The Oilers haven't matched yet have they? Puckpedia has them on the Oilers roster as signed. I'm wondering - if they are unable to move a player, are they in a position that they can't match the offer? There must be some GM's trying to play hardball with them. Any gm not demanding their 2026 1st should be fired. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Random article in the province said Kulak for Poolman’s cap hit. Would help accrue as you could send someone down since Kulak can actually play hockey games. 2.75 x 2 left on Kulak who’s 6’2 200. Left handed guy. Possible upgrade on Forbort and adds some depth that side either way. It’s interesting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) 25 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said: The Oilers haven't matched yet have they? Puckpedia has them on the Oilers roster as signed. I'm wondering - if they are unable to move a player, are they in a position that they can't match the offer? There must be some GM's trying to play hardball with them. No. Although Broberg and Holloway signed the offer sheets for St. Louis, they have them signed to the Oilers roster because no transfer of rights has happened yet. Yes, they are pretty fucked. They could match and be under the max offseason cap, but that would make them even more vulnerable in a cap dump trade they would absolutely have to make by season start, and they'd need to clear $7m+. They would have no draft picks left. Edited August 16 by Chickenspear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honkin Hronek Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 8 hours ago, Bob Long said: is moving Kane enough tho? No. That saves one. Some speculation that they actually trade Arvidsson, Henrique, Kulak or Ceci to make it work, but they may not be able to get anything other than LTIR contracts. I would be 100% on board with Kulak for Poolman as I’ve stated already. I know a lot of Oil fans want to qualify Holloway and let Broberg walk, but Ekholm is 34 and they don’t have anyone else in the pipeline. They may have to let Holloway walk and call up Savoie or Lavoie for that role if they can’t find a dance partner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honkin Hronek Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 17 minutes ago, The Duke said: Random article in the province said Kulak for Poolman’s cap hit. Would help accrue as you could send someone down since Kulak can actually play hockey games. 2.75 x 2 left on Kulak who’s 6’2 200. Left handed guy. Possible upgrade on Forbort and adds some depth that side either way. It’s interesting. Kulak is a solid defensive defenseman and the perfect #5 for this team. He’s close to being as good as Soucy just without the reach and, as you said, we’d accrue cap space while the Oilers are stuck in LTIR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 4 minutes ago, Honkin Hronek said: No. That saves one. Some speculation that they actually trade Arvidsson, Henrique, Kulak or Ceci to make it work, but they may not be able to get anything other than LTIR contracts. I would be 100% on board with Kulak for Poolman as I’ve stated already. I know a lot of Oil fans want to qualify Holloway and let Broberg walk, but Ekholm is 34 and they don’t have anyone else in the pipeline. They may have to let Holloway walk and call up Savoie or Lavoie for that role if they can’t find a dance partner. Moving poolmans contract is an interesting idea... Not sure I want to help EDM tho, but that's a good deal for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 minute ago, Honkin Hronek said: Kulak is a solid defensive defenseman and the perfect #5 for this team. He’s close to being as good as Soucy just without the reach and, as you said, we’d accrue cap space while the Oilers are stuck in LTIR Yeah, I hate the idea of helping the Oilers out, but I’m not convinced either option for them (letting Broberg walk / moving vets on good contracts to retain him) really helps them at all. Broberg walking for a paltry 2nd or at 4.5 hurts either way - the damage is done. May as well add a solid player and help us accrue space. I like the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 43 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said: The Oilers haven't matched yet have they? Puckpedia has them on the Oilers roster as signed. I'm wondering - if they are unable to move a player, are they in a position that they can't match the offer? There must be some GM's trying to play hardball with them. They haven't matched or declined yet. They still have 5 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 31 minutes ago, Honkin Hronek said: No. That saves one. Some speculation that they actually trade Arvidsson, Henrique, Kulak or Ceci to make it work, but they may not be able to get anything other than LTIR contracts. I would be 100% on board with Kulak for Poolman as I’ve stated already. I know a lot of Oil fans want to qualify Holloway and let Broberg walk, but Ekholm is 34 and they don’t have anyone else in the pipeline. They may have to let Holloway walk and call up Savoie or Lavoie for that role if they can’t find a dance partner. If they traded Kulak to us for Poolman then Oilers better add their 1st round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 7 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: If they traded Kulak to us for Poolman then Oilers better add their 1st round pick There's got to be 31 teams trying to fleece the Oilers right now. Predictions - which team will buckle and help them out by taking their draft picks? I'm going to call Red Wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 13 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: If they traded Kulak to us for Poolman then Oilers better add their 1st round pick Just saw kulak is from EDM... he'd hate coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 4 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Just saw kulak is from EDM... he'd hate coming here. He seemed to like it fine as a Giant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honkin Hronek Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 45 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Moving poolmans contract is an interesting idea... Not sure I want to help EDM tho, but that's a good deal for us. You’re thinking to narrow-sighted. The two teams are clearly quite close together as shown by the series and standings last year. A healthy Demko negates the Oilers adds, so I imagine it’s still quite close. Whoever goes further in the playoffs will likely be decided at the Trade Deadline, which is what we should be looking towards. If Edmonton matches both Broberg and Holloway, not only will they be in LTIR all season, but they’d also lose two of their biggest trade chips because both players would need to remain oilers until 1 year from their signing date. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastExpress Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, The Duke said: Random article in the province said Kulak for Poolman’s cap hit. Would help accrue as you could send someone down since Kulak can actually play hockey games. 2.75 x 2 left on Kulak who’s 6’2 200. Left handed guy. Possible upgrade on Forbort and adds some depth that side either way. It’s interesting. I think we do it and then put Kulak in ABBY to see what Forbert can do! then we Accrue Poolman's space till TDL. Abby can afford one fancy Dman. lol that would stick daggers in Edm. I wish we had CapFreindly but PuckPedia shows minors salary info on Kulak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/could-vancouver-canucks-help-edmonton-oilers-out-of-pickle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 minute ago, NoCupSyndrome said: https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/could-vancouver-canucks-help-edmonton-oilers-out-of-pickle Edmonton deserves to suffer, so I don't want to help them. I want them to burn, and waste McDiver's prime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 8 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: Edmonton deserves to suffer, so I don't want to help them. I want them to burn, and waste McDiver's prime. Yea why would we help Edmonton out for a measly return of Kulak? We can find someone else to take the Poolman contract. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastExpress Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Yea why would we help Edmonton out for a measly return of Kulak? We can find someone else to take the Poolman contract. ok then, how about Poolman's 2.5M LTIR for Ryan Nugget-Hopkins and Edmonton retains %50. Works for our cap, and theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Scott Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 25 minutes ago, EastCoastExpress said: ok then, how about Poolman's 2.5M LTIR for Ryan Nugget-Hopkins and Edmonton retains %50. Works for our cap, and theirs. Or something like: Vancouver trades: Tucker Poolman Edmonton trades: Kulak Savoie I'd much rather try to get savoie than a late first round pick. This is what the Canucks should do. We don't need to move poolman. Oilers need space or they can let 2 top 15 draft picks ( that they developed) for a measly 2nd and 3rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Honkin Hronek said: You’re thinking to narrow-sighted. The two teams are clearly quite close together as shown by the series and standings last year. A healthy Demko negates the Oilers adds, so I imagine it’s still quite close. Whoever goes further in the playoffs will likely be decided at the Trade Deadline, which is what we should be looking towards. If Edmonton matches both Broberg and Holloway, not only will they be in LTIR all season, but they’d also lose two of their biggest trade chips because both players would need to remain oilers until 1 year from their signing date. Good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 12 hours ago, DrJockitch said: Kane is already going to LTIR and they may be banking on being able to suspend him before he gets back. Never really liked the Blues before now. lol banking on suspending him?? If they can suspend him they already suspend him. Unless it’s an nhl issued suspension it’s still counting on the cap.. they are not going to wait till he’s off ltir before suspending him to help the oilers out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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