Sharpshooter Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5 hours ago, Gurn said: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/sending-canadian-vessel-to-cuba-alongside-russia-s-was-carefully-planned-minister/ar-BB1okfiG?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5fc52605fc0f49588ab110dad3a12ff9&ei=44 OTTAWA — National Defence Minister Bill Blair's office is defending the decision to send a Canadian ship to Cuba where it docked alongside some of Russia's fleet, calling it a "carefully" planned move to increase its presence in the region. Spokesman Daniel Minden issued a statement on Sunday saying the visit to Havana's port "was carefully and fulsomely planned," and the minister authorized it on the advice of the Royal Canadian Navy and Canadian Joint Operations Command. -------------------------------------- mal ---------------------------------------------- Seems the Conservatives believe Trudeau personally authorized and signed off on this mission- otherwise- why mention him at all? Because ‘Trudeau’, from the playbook of ‘Blame Obama’. The Right Wing Conservatives have been infiltrated by the Right-Wingers from the US. This is already a known known. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 On 6/7/2024 at 11:31 PM, Sharpshooter said: My grandmother and many of our grandmothers deserve much respects and accolades for fighting in their own ways, and for raising our parents in wartime so that ‘we’ could be here to argue about a buncha stuff online. Wish they could get medals too. "All of us command" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: Because ‘Trudeau’, from the playbook of ‘Blame Obama’. The Right Wing Conservatives have been infiltrated by the Right-Wingers from the US. This is already a known known. PP is milking it for all he can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 6/17/2024 at 5:49 PM, Bob Long said: PP is milking it for all he can. Use what worked. It’s part of the Rovian playbook. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/james-k-irving-dead-at-96/ar-BB1oFyqG?bncnt=BroadcastNews_BreakingNews&ocid=UCPNC2&FORM=BNC001&pc=U531&cvid=fcc0c898521a4ceb83ea68afd5ca7cbf&ei=20 James K. Irving died peacefully Friday in Saint John, the release said. He was the son of Irving patriarch K.C. Irving, who died in 1992, the industrialist who turned a single gas station and sawmill into a family-controlled business conglomerate, making him and his three sons among Canada's wealthiest businessmen. That business, based in Saint John, includes forestry, energy, agriculture, transportation, retail, food, construction and shipbuilding, its website says. It was founded in 1882 and operates in Canada and the United States. ------------------------------- bit more at link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 work starts on the first of 15 surface combatants- now designated as "River Class" destroyers https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/n-s-shipyard-begins-work-on-new-destroyers/vi-BB1p5fpp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=313ee68a12da451384ba0242268da8fe&ei=48 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 per coast? provided a northern port is viable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 29 Author Share Posted June 29 A different video, about the new ships 1:34 long- gives the names of the first 3 ships https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/defence-minister-announces-new-fleet-of-warships/vi-BB1p5Z1O?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2d4467b10b1e4408b87ee8028cad4429&ei=29 --------------------------- voice over- says it could take decades to reach Canadian waters, and when they state the price, it is not mentioned that this is the total cost, not the just the construction cost? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 On 6/29/2024 at 8:25 AM, Gurn said: A different video, about the new ships 1:34 long- gives the names of the first 3 ships https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/defence-minister-announces-new-fleet-of-warships/vi-BB1p5Z1O?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2d4467b10b1e4408b87ee8028cad4429&ei=29 --------------------------- voice over- says it could take decades to reach Canadian waters, and when they state the price, it is not mentioned that this is the total cost, not the just the construction cost? Yeah the voice over missed the crucial "all" in that statement. It could take 20+ years for all 15 to be comissioned. 1st ship is expected to be commissioned in 2030-2031, even if one was delivered every year after that (ambitious, more likely ~15 months) it would be 20 years before the last one was delivered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 On 6/28/2024 at 2:43 PM, Gurn said: work starts on the first of 15 surface combatants- now designated as "River Class" destroyers https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/n-s-shipyard-begins-work-on-new-destroyers/vi-BB1p5fpp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=313ee68a12da451384ba0242268da8fe&ei=48 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 per coast? provided a northern port is viable? I don't think a Northern Port is viable, not any time soon. It took 10 years and $115 million just to build a Naval refueling station that is only operated in the summer months in the Arctic. If you wanted a propper deep water port, maintenance facilities, a supply depot for other consumables, the kind of security needed for a Navy base, and all the civilian infrastructure and ammenities needed to perminantly station people there, it would probably be tens of billions. (Not to mention how unpopular that would be as a posting location!) If the North West Passage gains legitimate commercial traffic in the summer months, some of that infrastructure is going to be needed regardless. There will have to be at least bare-bones ports a ship can tuck into if they have a mechanical issue. I know a few ships have been using it but they must be very self sufficient or have huge insurance premiums. I really don't know what container ships and tankers do when they have a crew member with a medical emergency when they're beyond the range a helicopter can get them to a hospital. That must be the case in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific oceans, so I guess it wouldn't be that different in the Arctic. I guess they rely on a paramedic on the ship keeping someone alive for a couple days before they can be airlifted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 On 6/21/2024 at 5:24 PM, Gurn said: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/james-k-irving-dead-at-96/ar-BB1oFyqG?bncnt=BroadcastNews_BreakingNews&ocid=UCPNC2&FORM=BNC001&pc=U531&cvid=fcc0c898521a4ceb83ea68afd5ca7cbf&ei=20 James K. Irving died peacefully Friday in Saint John, the release said. He was the son of Irving patriarch K.C. Irving, who died in 1992, the industrialist who turned a single gas station and sawmill into a family-controlled business conglomerate, making him and his three sons among Canada's wealthiest businessmen. That business, based in Saint John, includes forestry, energy, agriculture, transportation, retail, food, construction and shipbuilding, its website says. It was founded in 1882 and operates in Canada and the United States. ------------------------------- bit more at link Irving's grand daughter knows how to party. That is all I can say here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 On 6/17/2024 at 4:40 PM, Sharpshooter said: Because ‘Trudeau’, from the playbook of ‘Blame Obama’. The Right Wing Conservatives have been infiltrated by the Right-Wingers from the US. This is already a known known. Just another example of how unfit PP is to govern There is a huge difference between joint operations ( we hold many with our allies ) and docking in a port. The docking keeps those diplomatic Channels open. The old saying Is keep your friends close.and your enemies closer is the rule here. If the world goes to shit and hostilities break out these individual battle field connections could be vital. If there was any issues at all it would have been the Americans who would have come screaming. They didn't as I suspect they ****cough***** asked us to take good notes while.there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-military-makes-history-appointing-143330801.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3BiiDORKYAWG_sdfTg1qRiyY3eCyiXFcA-0Phs2xPibJ8O_OjnJFbUHyWchnTBaHxDafhDH3tF9vxx2NSgmiSQDriZfPRtlmYC8idIplIS-2DdV5ZJTzekGlTqcgt853KfU3VvFkHBA8B6FHOPBENACHh7N96dnDg_apQ_bR3r " On Friday night, Global News discovered that there is a new chief for the defence staff of the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) – the first woman, in fact, to ever do so. Lt.-Gen. Jennie Carignan is the soldier in question and is a combat engineer by trade. Mercedes Stephenson reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Looks like the submarine replacement project is going ahead, an RFI is expected to be published this Fall: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarine-blair-trudeau-nato-1.7259718 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 On 7/10/2024 at 1:53 PM, MattJVD said: Looks like the submarine replacement project is going ahead, an RFI is expected to be published this Fall: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/submarine-blair-trudeau-nato-1.7259718 I’m excited to see Canada finally buying NEW subs instead of buying old used mothballed subs like last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 10 minutes ago, BPA said: I’m excited to see Canada finally buying NEW subs instead of buying old used mothballed subs like last time. I'm also glad to see this will hopefully be a joint venture with NATO allies, which should help with maintenance and availability of parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 40 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I'm also glad to see this will hopefully be a joint venture with NATO allies, which should help with maintenance and availability of parts. Yeah, looks like the German/Norweigan Type 212 CD and the Korean KSS III are front runners. Outside shot for the Swedish Type A26, but I would be surprised if a sub designed for Sweden's needs would have the range Canada would want. Edited July 11 by MattJVD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 Underwater range and time without snorting/snorkeling will be an important factor- as Minister Blair says "Through the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP), Canada will acquire a larger, modernized submarine fleet to enable the Royal Canadian Navy to covertly detect and deter maritime threats, control our maritime approaches, project power and striking capability further from our shores, and project a persistent deterrent on all three coasts," Blair said in a media statement." Seems the current generation of type 212 has an 3 week without snorting endurance. The larger size of the proposed type cd will be of great benefit in extending range and endurance https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/radical-new-stealth-submarine-type-212cd-will-be-much-larger/ "Outline specifications published by TKMS show the size of the new submarine. It is much larger than the current Type-212A, with surface displacement increased by an incredible 65% from 1,524t to about 2,500t. Length is increased by nearly 30%, from 57.20 m (188 ft) to 73 m (240 ft). And the width is increased by nearly 50%, from 6.8 m (22 ft) to 10 m (33 ft). Height is also increased by 2 m (6.5 ft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 "The Liberal government announced Thursday that it hopes to meet NATO's military investment benchmark of two per cent of alliance members' gross domestic products by 2032." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nato-canada-trudeau-1.7260649 Not acceptable in my opinion, another 8 years to reach the agreed upon target. The US may loose patience with members, weakening NATO at a time where we are increasing headed towards another world war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 53 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: The US may loose patience with members, weakening NATO at a time where we are increasing headed towards another world war. Canadian spending was down, now it is growing, but too slowly; however the increase does mean 'NATO' and the Canadian military are actually getting stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I stand by my endless statement. That Canada should not be spending massive amounts of $ on what is clearly outdated equipment made for wars from decades ago. If they want to increase nato/defence spending. Do it by creating in house platforms like new unmanned subs and drones. New defence tech to jam and disrupt electronic warfare and make drones essentially useless. Really screw with NATO whining and spend money drafting new soldiers and training them for high tech jobs, engineering etc so they enter the work force ready to go (similar to nordic nations that train recruits for real world post enlistment life) and increase money for military wages, invest in more houses and ffs spend more on our gd vets! That would more than bridge the gap in spending and in fact help our nation more than buying crap that the next government will immediately say wont work, who will then scrap the project waste time and money and turn around and repurchase essentially the same stuff only less of it due to increased prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 12 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I stand by my endless statement. That Canada should not be spending massive amounts of $ on what is clearly outdated equipment made for wars from decades ago. If they want to increase nato/defence spending. Do it by creating in house platforms like new unmanned subs and drones. New defence tech to jam and disrupt electronic warfare and make drones essentially useless. Really screw with NATO whining and spend money drafting new soldiers and training them for high tech jobs, engineering etc so they enter the work force ready to go (similar to nordic nations that train recruits for real world post enlistment life) and increase money for military wages, invest in more houses and ffs spend more on our gd vets! That would more than bridge the gap in spending and in fact help our nation more than buying crap that the next government will immediately say wont work, who will then scrap the project waste time and money and turn around and repurchase essentially the same stuff only less of it due to increased prices. I agree they should target new advanced equipment and spend the extra cost, mostly from the US. There are so many areas that need upgrades. Canada should invest in military manufacturing capabilities, whether it be ammo, cruise missile capabilities, or unmanned drones. Its not really screwing with NATO though as the guidelines on what the 2% is spent on is pretty flexible. There is a lot of stuff we will have to purchase outside our capabilities as well such as additional aircraft, air defense systems, submarines, long range missile launchers, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: I stand by my endless statement. That Canada should not be spending massive amounts of $ on what is clearly outdated equipment made for wars from decades ago. If they want to increase nato/defence spending. Do it by creating in house platforms like new unmanned subs and drones. New defence tech to jam and disrupt electronic warfare and make drones essentially useless. Really screw with NATO whining and spend money drafting new soldiers and training them for high tech jobs, engineering etc so they enter the work force ready to go (similar to nordic nations that train recruits for real world post enlistment life) and increase money for military wages, invest in more houses and ffs spend more on our gd vets! That would more than bridge the gap in spending and in fact help our nation more than buying crap that the next government will immediately say wont work, who will then scrap the project waste time and money and turn around and repurchase essentially the same stuff only less of it due to increased prices. Subs are where Canada is lacking. It’s the best place to expenditure. I hope it’s on the US based SSN’s. Buying anywhere else is money ill-spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 37 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Subs are where Canada is lacking. It’s the best place to expenditure. I hope it’s on the US based SSN’s. Buying anywhere else is money ill-spent. Look up the ghost shark from Aus. It's got China genuinely worried because specs as stated makes their navy as useless as Russia's black sea fleet against Ukraine The new Northrup Grummond manta the US has is also seriously intriguing but not a GD chance they'd let that go to anyone any time soon. UAV style warfare is in its infancy and the first nation to master it on an industrial scale will be a world power in short order 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/11/2024 at 8:17 PM, Sharpshooter said: Subs are where Canada is lacking. It’s the best place to expenditure. I hope it’s on the US based SSN’s. Buying anywhere else is money ill-spent. It won't be SSNs for this project. US ship yards are struggling to keep up with the US and Royal Australian Navy orders as it is, they don't have the capacity for more export orders. The RAN is expecting 2032 to receive their first American Virgina Class. Then not until the 2040s for the British co-developed boats to start coming on line. The Koreans or Germans can build us conventionally powered subs that still have ~3 weeks of submerged endurance (compared to the Victoria class's 3 days) and have them delivered a decade before we'd see our first SSN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/11/2024 at 8:17 PM, Sharpshooter said: Subs are where Canada is lacking. It’s the best place to expenditure. I hope it’s on the US based SSN’s. Buying anywhere else is money ill-spent. The war in Ukraine is also showing the value of those naval drones to sink ships. I'd probably invest in that as well as a good option for potential Russian capital ships that violate our waters. As per retired US admiral James Stavridis: "The Ukrainian navy is using surface boats, drones to strike Russian warships and drones go all the way to the bottom of the sea. And we're seeing the edges of [artificial intelligence warfare] emerging now in Ukraine where AI is being used to direct these drone swarms on both sides of that firing light." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-black-sea-drone-naval-warfare-1.7196566 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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