Hogs and Podz Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, tas said: I don't really view last season as a breakout year for hoglander. it was like, good rookie year, 2 years of regression, and then finally back to where he was as a rookie. it was a back on track year, not a breakout year imo. Hogs is a more well rounded player now. Much better defensively (he was poor) , and decent numbers offensively. This could very well have been Podz as well.... back to is rookie numbers with a solid all around game and learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Just now, Hogs and Podz said: Hogs is a more well rounded player now. Much better defensively (he was poor) , and decent numbers offensively. This could very well have been Podz as well.... back to is rookie numbers with a solid all around game and learning. the canucks don't have room for another project. with debrusk and heinen coming in and lekkerimaki not far off, hoglander better be looking over his shoulder as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) Hoglander in front of the net. When was Podkolzin ever this determined in his life? Maybe at times during his rookie year, maybe. This is the 4th line dominating because of Hoglander. (line change 30 seconds in) Edited August 19 by Pure961089 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 This time last year Podz publicly stated he'd have a "big season" in his own words last summer. https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/podkolzin-promises-big-season-canucks Fast forward one year and Podz recently said in an interview that he needed more "playing time" and "trust" this coming season. https://www.canucksdaily.com/nhl-team/vancouver-canucks/vasily-podkolzin-blames-the-canucks-for-his-late-development 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 3 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Hoglander in front of the net. When was Podkolzin ever this determined in his life? Maybe at times during his rookie year, maybe. This is the 4th line dominating because of Hoglander. too bad he looks completely lost in the top 6. if this guy could kill penalties or be a powerplay specialist it'd be a different story, but as it stands he's just a worse garland and there's only room for one player like that at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, tas said: too bad he looks completely lost in the top 6. if this guy could kill penalties or be a powerplay specialist it'd be a different story, but as it stands he's just a worse garland and there's only room for one player like that at most. His value is on the 4th line and its the reason the Canucks could roll 4 dangerous lines. The reason we are such a good team. And people are gonna say they faded down the stretch, like Petey dried up but I have my theories on what happened there. I think when Demko is healthy the Canucks are the best team in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs and Podz Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, tas said: too bad he looks completely lost in the top 6. if this guy could kill penalties or be a powerplay specialist it'd be a different story, but as it stands he's just a worse garland and there's only room for one player like that at most. I agree, he's not guaranteed anything yet. That's why I suggested trading Hogs for a higher pick and or younger prospect with upside and giving Podz, whom has those skill sets more tailored to the team needs (power forward thats responsible defensively) possibly pk specialist. Regardless, I sure hope Alvin and co know what they're doing. Edited August 19 by Hogs and Podz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Not true. EP was demoted to the third line for a spell, Green/Bruce's first year. He also played with JT Miller and Horvat. Brass was patient with him as well, waiting for his KHL contract to be finished. EP centered Hogs and Podz under Bruce to get EP going. and neither of them played well.. ahl wise they are on a very similar ppg basis and podz came off the horrific injury. i don't think hoglander outplayed podz in the preseason and tbh i don't think podz is a worse option than PDG on that top line with miller.. sure he hasn't earned it.. but neither did pdg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 30 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said: Other players dealt with major life changes adjusting to pro life as well and did okay. Acknowledge the concussion is a significant variable of his though. I’d have been okay giving him another year to piece it together, but that’s not what happened so we all just have to hope this doesn’t burn us. Yup dont want him pulling a similar development path to another Russian winger taken 10th overall like Nichushkin...Could possible get an opportunity to play with an elite player like Draisatl or McDavid like Nuke did when joining Colorado, that would suck! Cause we know 98% chance that 4th rd pick won't play as many NHL games for Vancouver as Podkolzin even did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 7 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: His value is on the 4th line and its the reason the Canucks could roll 4 dangerous lines. The reason we are such a good team. And people are gonna say they faded down the stretch, like Petey dried up but I have my theories on what happened there. I think when Demko is healthy the Canucks are the best team in the league. I agree I prefer hoglander driving a bottom 6 line. but I also want my bottom 6 guys killing penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 4 hours ago, RomanPer said: Finally. Wanted to see this putin lover gone for a while. Really don't care what the return was. And before you ask "why do you assume he's putin lover?" - I don't assume, I know. He openly supports the war in Ukraine (within the team locker room) and calls Ukrainians "khokhols" (which is a derogatory term for Ukrainians in russian language). Oof. That's disappointing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 minutes ago, tas said: I agree I prefer hoglander driving a bottom 6 line. but I also want my bottom 6 guys killing penalties. It’s interesting to see the blade cut both ways with Hoglander. 24 goals purely 5v5 on the 4th line in limited minutes is impressive. If he was feasting on other opponents bottom lines then how come no other 4th liners put up numbers like him? Then PP or PK time becomes a knock because he has a little less perceived versatility - though I’d argue it’s simply that we have players better suited for those minutes and it needn’t be knock on his play. Or it could signal one-dimensional play. Who knows?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs and Podz Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, tas said: I agree I prefer hoglander driving a bottom 6 line. but I also want my bottom 6 guys killing penalties. where on bottom 6? take Sherwoods spot? Suter? Heinen? No, the team has progressed to the point that unless they break up the '3rd line' and have Hogs take over DT's spot or Garly, there's no room for Hogs.... unless of course, he can stick to JT's or Petey's line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 I'm not sure what hoglander has to do with podz. Hogs is a way better player and also a keeper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 The Hogs diversion seems to be seeking solace in a player that worked out versus the reality that Podz didn't. It's a process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 6 minutes ago, Hogs and Podz said: where on bottom 6? take Sherwoods spot? Suter? Heinen? No, the team has progressed to the point that unless they break up the '3rd line' and have Hogs take over DT's spot or Garly, there's no room for Hogs.... unless of course, he can stick to JT's or Petey's line. preaching to the choir. I've been pushing hoglander to anaheim for frank vatrano for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 9 minutes ago, tas said: I agree I prefer hoglander driving a bottom 6 line. but I also want my bottom 6 guys killing penalties. I think it's possible now that Mikheyev has been traded. the PK could use his battle and speed. Tocch though likes PKrs with reach like Joshua and Myers. If DeBrusk's time is going to be on the PP his PK time will be limited. Hogs will get an opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Just now, Pure961089 said: I think it's possible now that Mikheyev has been traded. the PK could use his battle and speed. Tocch though likes PKrs with reach like Joshua and Myers. If DeBrusk's time is going to be on the PP his PK time will be limited. Hogs will get an opportunity. I'm less worried about him getting the opportunity and more worried about him having the defensive sense to help keep the puck out of the back of the net. I'd love to see him succeed at it though, because if you have a bottom 6 energy player who kills penalties and puts up 20+ goals, that's a great thing to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 8 minutes ago, Hogs and Podz said: where on bottom 6? take Sherwoods spot? Suter? Heinen? No, the team has progressed to the point that unless they break up the '3rd line' and have Hogs take over DT's spot or Garly, there's no room for Hogs.... unless of course, he can stick to JT's or Petey's line. why cant the bottom 6 look like this? Garland - Heinen - Joshua Hoglander - Suter - Sherwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 4 hours ago, tas said: which forwards should they have removed from the NHL roster to make room for podkolzin? Pdg Aman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 minutes ago, tas said: I'm less worried about him getting the opportunity and more worried about him having the defensive sense to help keep the puck out of the back of the net. I'd love to see him succeed at it though, because if you have a bottom 6 energy player who kills penalties and puts up 20+ goals, that's a great thing to have. so he's probably not going to be a special teams player. that's ok, he's such a good even strength 4th liner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Traded Podz to Edmonton?? There’s a glitch in the Matrix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: why cant the bottom 6 look like this? Garland - Heinen - Joshua Hoglander - Suter - Sherwood because teddy blueger and probably daniel sprong. Edited August 19 by tas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, stawns said: Pdg Aman aman is a center and the team seems high on him. not surprised they kept him over podkolzin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: so he's probably not going to be a special teams player. that's ok, he's such a good even strength 4th liner. the problem is that it's hard to have room for guys like that. if you don't play on special teams, you need to be absolutely exceptional or it's unlikely you're going to last long, because sooner than later someone else is going to come along who can do what you can at even strength but also contribute on special teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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