[TRADE] Edmonton trades Codi Ceci to San Jose

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

Very risky to match both as then you’re really backing yourself into a corner. Kane will be back early in the season and it’s not always easy to make trades then.

 

My guess is they match the Broberg offer but let Holloway go now.

 

 

Good job by St. Louis to screw the Coilers. If the Soilers do match Broberg they will be paying him 2.5 per x two years more than he’s worth. That’s 2.5 cap taken out of their depth. They are a weaker club regardless of whether they keep these players or let them go. 

[PureQuickness]

39 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Very risky to match both as then you’re really backing yourself into a corner. Kane will be back early in the season and it’s not always easy to make trades then.

 

My guess is they match the Broberg offer but let Holloway go now.

 

 

 

Exactly. And so people think it's crazy that they won't take on Podkolzin who is primed for a breakout season and save 1 million in the process. Vancouver helped Edmonton for no reason at all.

[PureQuickness]

I called it.

Article written 7 minutes ago from OilersNation.com

 

"From Edmonton’s perspective, Podkolzin might not be as good as Holloway, but it’s easier to take a risk on him at a $1 million cap hit than it is to justify accepting a raise to $2.29 million for a player who isn’t established at the NHL level."

 

Why the F did we help Edmonton again? We saved almost no cap for this move.

 

https://oilersnation.com/news/monday-mailbag-lets-talk-about-the-oilers-offer-sheets

Edited August 19 by PureQuickness

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

I called it.

Article written 7 minutes ago from OilersNation.com

 

"From Edmonton’s perspective, Podkolzin might not be as good as Holloway, but it’s easier to take a risk on him at a $1 million cap hit than it is to justify accepting a raise to $2.29 million for a player who isn’t established at the NHL level."

 

Why the F did we help Edmonton again? We saved almost no cap for this move.

 

https://oilersnation.com/news/monday-mailbag-lets-talk-about-the-oilers-offer-sheets

Don’t see how the Podz trade helps the Soilers. Holloway is a much better player. The Empties are saying Podz doesn’t make the Coilers and is put on waivers. So we get a fourth for nothing. That’s us winning and the Soilers losing. 

[PureQuickness]

Just now, Alflives said:

Don’t see how the Podz trade helps the Soilers. Holloway is a much better player. The Empties are saying Podz doesn’t make the Coilers and is put on waivers. So we get a fourth for nothing. That’s us winning and the Soilers losing. 

 

Cap space. They save 1.29 million - far more than what we saved when we traded for a 4th round pick. Holloway's value is only a bit more because he was THEIR first round pick. Now that we gave a former first round pick for JUST a 4th rounder, they don't really need Holloway. They'll take the 3rd round pick - also better than ours.

 

This trade is crap, objectively speaking.

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

5 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

I called it.

Article written 7 minutes ago from OilersNation.com

 

"From Edmonton’s perspective, Podkolzin might not be as good as Holloway, but it’s easier to take a risk on him at a $1 million cap hit than it is to justify accepting a raise to $2.29 million for a player who isn’t established at the NHL level."

 

Why the F did we help Edmonton again? We saved almost no cap for this move.

 

https://oilersnation.com/news/monday-mailbag-lets-talk-about-the-oilers-offer-sheets

Because Podz hasn't worked with us and he may never. He's not gonna be good for the Oilers either

[old guy]

1 minute ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Cap space. They save 1.29 million - far more than what we saved when we traded for a 4th round pick. Holloway's value is only a bit more because he was THEIR first round pick. Now that we gave a former first round pick for JUST a 4th rounder, they don't really need Holloway. They'll take the 3rd round pick - also better than ours.

 

This trade is crap, objectively speaking.

Ya, in hindsight, we shoulda held out for the 3rd rounder.

[PureQuickness]

Just now, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Because Podz hasn't worked with us and he may never. He's not gonna be good for the Oilers either

 

Maybe. But he's written off too early - and worst of all, it HELPS a division rival who is looking to compete for another playoff run.

 

Holloway would've costed 2.29. With Podkolzin, they can now afford to let Holloway walk for a 3rd.

This Ceci trade from SJ gave them a serviceable prospect WHILE off-loading valuable cap space.

 

And the Oilers can keep Broberg, one of their best defensive prospects at 4mill, which isn't even really that much, in terms of long term projection.

 

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

2 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Maybe. But he's written off too early - and worst of all, it HELPS a division rival who is looking to compete for another playoff run.

 

Holloway would've costed 2.29. With Podkolzin, they can now afford to let Holloway walk for a 3rd.

This Ceci trade from SJ gave them a serviceable prospect WHILE off-loading valuable cap space.

 

And the Oilers can keep Broberg, one of their best defensive prospects at 4mill, which isn't even really that much, in terms of long term projection.

 

Podz had many chances with the Canucks, but just couldn't capitalize. The concussion didn't help either. He had 5 seasons to do something and didn't. I would rather have the 4th round pick than lose him on waivers for nothing.

 

Holloway is the better player and Podz won't amount to much. 

 

They're still over the cap. 

 

Broberg at 4.5m is an overpayment and they will have to sign Draisaitl and Bouchard and that's 4.5m they won't have because of Broberg

[PureQuickness]

Just now, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Podz had many chances with the Canucks, but just couldn't capitalize. The concussion didn't help either. He had 5 seasons to do something and didn't. I would rather have the 4th round pick than lose him on waivers for nothing.

 

Holloway is the better player and Podz won't amount to much. 

 

They're still over the cap. 

 

Broberg at 4.5m is an overpayment and they will have to sign Draisaitl and Bouchard and that's 4.5m they won't have because of Broberg

 

Hard to say because Holloway is marginally better than Podz. Statistically, Podkolzin has more points, largely due to a good rookie season. Holloway is one year younger though.

 

We helped the Oilers for no reason.

[RWJC]

Just now, PureQuickness said:

 

Maybe. But he's written off too early - and worst of all, it HELPS a division rival who is looking to compete for another playoff run.

 

Holloway would've costed 2.29. With Podkolzin, they can now afford to let Holloway walk for a 3rd.

This Ceci trade from SJ gave them a serviceable prospect WHILE off-loading valuable cap space.

 

And the Oilers can keep Broberg, one of their best defensive prospects at 4mill, which isn't even really that much, in terms of long term projection.

 

you don’t think Podz was shopped around and this is the best offer received?
 

Podz doesn’t want to play in the AHL, believes he’s on par with NHL caliber, has earned his shot and has stated that mgmt needs to give him more consistent NHL time.

 

Unfortunately, he hasn’t earned or displayed any of that with this club and has already been surpassed on the depth chart numerous times. 
 

I understand the hesitation surrounding a trade to a division rival, but let’s not pretend Podz hasn’t been given ample opportunity already to show he still belongs at the top level of potential within our system. His stock has fallen not just internally, but league wide.
 

If anything, I say kudos to mgmt to having the drive to go out and secure NHL VIABLE players to cement our lineup and our push this upcoming season. So many fans trying their damnedest to pencil in Podz as a 13 simply because of his former draft position. Doesn’t mean shit if he’s a liability to a club because he can’t process the game faster or more efficiently than his competition.

We also aren’t in the same position as in the past where we have to nurse young talent along, sometimes at the expense of the parent club’s success, because we are devoid of skill or promise at that level. That’s no longer the case.

 

He WAS a good prospect that symbolized a lot of hope for the fanbase, but people need to understand guys with his limited skill set are a dime a dozen no matter how likeable they are. As such, he was supplanted. It occurs every year with every team…we and Podz are not an anomaly. 

 

[RJCF96]

I think a lot of fans here over-values Podkolzin.

 

He hasn't shown progress (in fact, shown a lot of regression) since his rookie season. Unfortunate development path for him, I think he could've been a more established NHLer by now if he came over the North American immediately after he got drafted instead of playing very little minutes in the KHL in Russia.

 

When he finally arrived here, he had a decent rookie season but in reality, he likely would've been better to spend some time in the AHL for some seasoning. Unfortunately, at the time, it was before this current management regime and our farm system was still a disaster from the Jim Benning era.

 

By the time he finally got some AHL development time over the last 2 seasons, I think we've missed out on the best window/opportunity for his development.

 

A lot of our fans still saw him as a top 10 pick in the draft, but that's not his value at this point of his career. The season before last, we picked up Vitali Kravtsov (9th OA pick from 2018 draft) from the Rangers for Lockwood + 7th round pick. Podkolzin is also waiver exempt, which means if we want to send him down to the AHL, he must go through waivers and he likely won't make it through and we would've lost him for nothing.

 

At this point of his career, GMs see him as a player who can be an effective bottom 6 players who brings energy to the team. These players are a dime in a dozen, but Podkolzin's value remains because he was a former top 10 pick hence he still have some trade value, and we can get a draft pick in return.

 

I wish Podkolzin the best as he appears to be a great person with a great attitude and I hope he can carve out an NHL career. However, I don't believe he would not be a player who moves the needle either way.

[Alflives]

55 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Cap space. They save 1.29 million - far more than what we saved when we traded for a 4th round pick. Holloway's value is only a bit more because he was THEIR first round pick. Now that we gave a former first round pick for JUST a 4th rounder, they don't really need Holloway. They'll take the 3rd round pick - also better than ours.

 

This trade is crap, objectively speaking.

Empties disagree. Draft status means nothing other than giving guys more chances. Lots of guys are drafted top 10 who don’t work out. It’s guys taken later or found via free agency who make up for those misses. Podz was clearly a Benning (the moran) miss. We got a fourth for him. That’s a win. Especially considering he’s likely to be waived by the Soilers come season’s start. 
We in no way helped the Coilers. 

[Bob Long]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Empties disagree. Draft status means nothing other than giving guys more chances. Lots of guys are drafted top 10 who don’t work out. It’s guys taken later or found via free agency who make up for those misses. Podz was clearly a Benning (the moran) miss. We got a fourth for him. That’s a win. Especially considering he’s likely to be waived by the Soilers come season’s start. 
We in no way helped the Coilers. 

 

Russian Gaunce?

 

[Alflives]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

Russian Gaunce?

 

Very good comparison. 

[RJCF96]

40 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Russian Gaunce?

 

 

38 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Very good comparison. 

I think he is better than Gaunce. He has more NHL goals in his rookie season than Gaunce does in his entire NHL career thus far.

 

Podkolzin is a casualty of poor development (both in Russia and after he arrived in North America). After he got drafted, he needed to play big minutes to hone his skill as a 2-way powerforward. He didn't get the chance to play big minutes in the KHL, in fact he was playing about 6 minutes a night during his key development years.

 

When he got to North America, I think the Canucks rushed him by not sending him to the AHL for some seasoning. Our farm system was also a disaster under the former regime.

 

If Podkolzin had proper development, I could see him be a solid 3rd line NHLer by this point.

 

Gaunce returned to Juniors for 2 more years after he got drafted. He also spent multiple seasons in the AHL before he got called up for his first stint at the NHL. He was properly developed, just lack the skills to be in the NHL full time.

[D-Money]

11 hours ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Cap space. They save 1.29 million - far more than what we saved when we traded for a 4th round pick. Holloway's value is only a bit more because he was THEIR first round pick. Now that we gave a former first round pick for JUST a 4th rounder, they don't really need Holloway. They'll take the 3rd round pick - also better than ours.

 

This trade is crap, objectively speaking.

Actually, WE got cap space by trading Podz. 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[IBatch]

On 8/19/2024 at 10:49 AM, PureQuickness said:

 

Maybe. But he's written off too early - and worst of all, it HELPS a division rival who is looking to compete for another playoff run.

 

Holloway would've costed 2.29. With Podkolzin, they can now afford to let Holloway walk for a 3rd.

This Ceci trade from SJ gave them a serviceable prospect WHILE off-loading valuable cap space.

 

And the Oilers can keep Broberg, one of their best defensive prospects at 4mill, which isn't even really that much, in terms of long term projection.

 

Too many people are underrating Ceci's performance and his replacement value.     He was more than serviceable for his cap hit, would have been happy to have him anchor our 3rd pairing RHD spot, and he was playing second pairing minutes for them.    

[King Heffy]

On 8/19/2024 at 7:37 AM, PureQuickness said:

 

Exactly. And so people think it's crazy that they won't take on Podkolzin who is primed for a breakout season and save 1 million in the process. Vancouver helped Edmonton for no reason at all.

Adding another guy with character issues to a team with no leadership and a locker room cancer isn't exactly helping the Oilers.

Edited August 21 by King Heffy

[Devron]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Adding another guy with character issues to a team with no leadership and a locker room cancer isn't exactly helping the Oilers.

How’s the Oilers defence look these days Heff? 

[King Heffy]

21 minutes ago, Devron said:

How’s the Oilers defence look these days Heff? 

Ceci getting traded might open a spot for Stecher to give them a second NHLer other than Ekholm.  Having an ECHLer in Bouchard and a PWHLer in Nurse to go with the rest of the AHL trash they call defencemen is insulting to those who have any respect for the sport though.

[Devron]

4 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Ceci getting traded might open a spot for Stecher to give them a second NHLer other than Ekholm.  Having an ECHLer in Bouchard and a PWHLer in Nurse to go with the rest of the AHL trash they call defencemen is insulting to those who have any respect for the sport though.

Thanks, needed that