bishopshodan Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 21 hours ago, RomanPer said: And that "one side" is always the other side... Nah, thats too lazy. Best example is the MAGA movement in the states. Sure the 'left' (libz) might have some 'bat-shit crazy' but none of them are in postions of leadership that are as extreme as the Orange bafoon and his crew. In Canada, we have PP in lock-step with some of the same types ( not saying that he is, though maaaybe...) people that wanted to unlawfully over throw our gov. I dont see that from the other leaders. I said on the first page that there are not two types of people, but we feel we have to pick one of two teams ( left, right). There is a big desire from many to have a more centrist party for Canada, myself included. But to just say both sides are the same, in this modern era, is a bit lazy and a cop-out imo. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 2 hours ago, bishopshodan said: Nah, thats too lazy. Best example is the MAGA movement in the states. Sure the 'left' (libz) might have some 'bat-shit crazy' but none of them are in postions of leadership that are as extreme as the Orange bafoon and his crew. In Canada, we have PP in lock-step with some of the same types ( not saying that he is, though maaaybe...) people that wanted to unlawfully over throw our gov. I dont see that from the other leaders. I said on the first page that there are not two types of people, but we feel we have to pick one of two teams ( left, right). There is a big desire from many to have a more centrist party for Canada, myself included. But to just say both sides are the same, in this modern era, is a bit lazy and a cop-out imo. Not every conservative/right is MAGA. Not every conservative in Canada is in the truck convoy. You are just proving my point. I'm just going to leave it at that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, RomanPer said: Not every conservative/right is MAGA. Not every conservative in Canada is in the truck convoy. You are just proving my point. I'm just going to leave it at that. Where's the middle ground when one group doesn't think you have the right to exist? Only one side has a choice in this matter. People will never stop fighting to exist. People will never stop fighting for equality. This is not up for debate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 22 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Where's the middle ground when one group doesn't think you have the right to exist? Only one side has a choice in this matter. People will never stop fighting to exist. People will never stop fighting for equality. This is not up for debate. What does this have to do what anything I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 31 minutes ago, RomanPer said: Not every conservative/right is MAGA. Not every conservative in Canada is in the truck convoy. You are just proving my point. I'm just going to leave it at that. You can leave it how ever you want to. But, speaking of points, you missed mine. Maybe re-read my post. Objectively, the side ( since there are only two) that has people that would unlawfully overthrow the government with leaders that do nothing to prevent that, or worst encouraging it, are not equal. So if there are any centrist out there, of which I think there are many, if they heard a person on the left saying 'the other side has gone batshit crazy', then heard the same from the current right ...those centrist would just look at the leaders, and how they act/speak, and score a point for the left. Key to my point is the leadership in both North American countries ( however, PP is not quite as batshit as Trump imo) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, RomanPer said: What does this have to do what anything I said? Pretty straight forward if you ask me. You're trying to paint a picture of both sides being responsible for the current state of affairs. I'm telling you one side has no choice in the matter. All conservatives may not be maga extremists but it unfortunately its not a deal breaker for them. It's the old you have one nazi sitting at a table proverb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 44 minutes ago, RomanPer said: Not every conservative/right is MAGA. Not every conservative in Canada is in the truck convoy. You are just proving my point. I'm just going to leave it at that. I agree Roman. If you are Conservative or even a Centrist, you get labeled as a right wing nut job. And then those same people claiming you're a right wing nut job are upset because they want unity and peace. It's always the other side is bad. If that is the case, then nobody will ever agree on anything... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Pretty straight forward if you ask me. You're trying to paint a picture of both sides being responsible for the current state of affairs. I'm telling you one side has no choice in the matter. All conservatives may not be maga extremists but it unfortunately its not a deal breaker for them. It's the old you have one nazi sitting at a table proverb. The solution here would be for the cons to denazify their party and make it clear that Poilivre and the rest of the bigots that make up his base aren't welcome. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, RomanPer said: Not every conservative/right is MAGA. Not every conservative in Canada is in the truck convoy. You are just proving my point. I'm just going to leave it at that. If you support candidates or a party who cow tow to that segment of voters, then you're part of the problem 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Pretty straight forward if you ask me. You're trying to paint a picture of both sides being responsible for the current state of affairs. I'm telling you one side has no choice in the matter. All conservatives may not be maga extremists but it unfortunately its not a deal breaker for them. It's the old you have one nazi sitting at a table proverb. I can bring you plenty of examples of nazi-like behavior and calls from extreme left as well. There are idiots on both ends of the spectrum. All liberals may not be Antifa but it unfortunately is not a deal breaker for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 22 minutes ago, stawns said: If you support candidates or a party who cow tow to that segment of voters, then you're part of the problem Here you go. Case in point. If you are not with us - you are against us. And that is the answer to the question in OP. It's always the other side that is the problem, neither side tries to see if there's a problem on their own side at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 12 minutes ago, RomanPer said: I can bring you plenty of examples of nazi-like behavior and calls from extreme left as well. There are idiots on both ends of the spectrum. All liberals may not be Antifa but it unfortunately is not a deal breaker for them. I'm following your point and can agree to some degree but out of curiosity please provide these examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I'm following your point and can agree to some degree but out of curiosity please provide these examples. Venezuela comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Just now, King Heffy said: Venezuela comes to mind. The thread title led me to believe we were talking about Canada. Venezuela is an odd duck country and is another example of a place that's gone from socialist to autocratic fascism yet retains the self title of socialist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 11 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I'm following your point and can agree to some degree but out of curiosity please provide these examples. Anti-Israel protests in Universities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, Satchmo said: The thread title led me to believe we were talking about Canada. Venezuela is an odd duck country and is another example of a place that's gone from socialist to autocratic fascism yet retains the self title of socialist. Fair. I think a lot of the eco-terrorism would also qualify, more of a global issue though. I also take issue with some on the left supporting Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Antifa not being a deal breaker is far from a bad thing. I think every single person of common sense and decency across the political spectrum is an anti-fascist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Just now, RomanPer said: Anti-Israel protests in Universities. I thought that might be your response. I am not convinced those protesters know their right from their left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I thought that might be your response. I am not convinced those protesters know their right from their left. It truly baffles me how they're supporting a regime that would murder them for their other beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: I agree Roman. If you are Conservative or even a Centrist, you get labeled as a right wing nut job. And then those same people claiming you're a right wing nut job are upset because they want unity and peace. It's always the other side is bad. If that is the case, then nobody will ever agree on anything... Labelling is a political expediant way of not seriously dealing with different points of view. The left have their standard talking points which supposedly justifies their point of view. It is easier if all on the right of center are Maga or convoy adherents. The idea that leftist spending does a great deal of herm to the very people they say they are lobbying for does not regisiter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Labelling is a political expediant way of not seriously dealing with different points of view. The left have their standard talking points which supposedly justifies their point of view. It is easier if all on the right of center are Maga or convoy adherents. The idea that leftist spending does a great deal of herm to the very people they say they are lobbying for does not regisiter. Lots of labels and labelling in that post. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Lots of labels and labelling in that post. "Labelling is a political expediant way of not seriously dealing with different points of view" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 44 minutes ago, Satchmo said: The thread title led me to believe we were talking about Canada. Venezuela is an odd duck country and is another example of a place that's gone from socialist to autocratic fascism yet retains the self title of socialist. Thank you Satch. I am also waiting for a response to the leadership, in North America, point I was trying to make. One side, the right, currently has leaders that dabble in crazy batshittery that is dangerous. The left leaders do not, at least to the level of throwing our entire system out with their conspiracies. The left leaders respect things like the government being voted in, under our system of democracy. Its strange that some cant simply see this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 10 minutes ago, RomanPer said: Here you go. Case in point. If you are not with us - you are against us. And that is the answer to the question in OP. It's always the other side that is the problem, neither side tries to see if there's a problem on their own side at all. If the party you support cozies up to people actively promoting hatred, conspiracy theories etc and are clearly dividing themselves off from the rest of society, then, yes, you are a part of the problem. A good portion of the right have lost their grip on reality and the party, itself, is leaning hard into that. I'm sure there are still reasonable conservatives left, but iff that part of the right continues to back that party, then you are as responsible for the division and chaos as the rest of them. The majority of Canadians want to live peaceful lives coexisting with everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, RomanPer said: Anti-Israel protests in Universities. Those are protests against a government actively conducting war crimes against innocent civilians, mainly children. They are not against the Jewish people. More people need to speak out about it, not less. Any actual anti semitic fervour, as far as Jews in general, comes from the far right, not left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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