NM777 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) ***Accidentally posted here.. Moderators please move to Proposals and Armchair GMing!*** TRADES SEATTLE D Noah Juulsen VANCOUVER F Ollie Josephson ANA 2026 4th Round Pick DALLAS F Pius Suter VANCOUVER F William Samuelsson NJD 2025 5th Round Pick TAMPA BAY F Nathan Smith D Tucker Poolman VANCOUVER F Conor Sheary EDM 2025 4th Round Pick VANCOUVER D Shea Theodore WSH 2025 6th Round Pick VEGAS D Jett Woo F Danila Klimovich F Conor Sheary 2027 1st Round Pick 2027 3rd Round Pick VANCOUVER G Ville Husso DETROIT F Phillip Di Giuseppe D Hugo Gabrielson OTT 2025 4th Round Pick UTAH D Akito Hirose VANCOUVER F Aku Raty *AHL* TRADE HENDERSON F John Stevens ABBOTSFORD Future Considerations SIGNINGS F Brock Boeser 8 years | $7,625,000 AAV | Full NTC Extension D Shea Theodore 7 years | $7,000,000 AAV | Full NTC Extension D Christian Wolanin 2 years | $1,000,000 AAV Extension F Sammy Blais 2 years | $800,000 AAV | 1-way G Martin Jones 2 years | $800,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $800,000 | AHL • $500,000 D Layton Ahac 2 years | $775,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $775,000 | AHL • $125,000 F Carsen Twarynski 1 year | $775,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $775,000 | AHL • $500,000 F Jermaine Loewen 1 year | $833,333 AAV | ELC NHL • $833,333 | AHL • $100,000 OPENING LINE-UP DeBrusk - Pettersson - Hoglander Heinen - Miller - Boeser Joshua - Blueger - Sprong Blais - Aman - Garland Sherwood Hughes - Desharnais Theodore - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Brisebois Husso Patera LTIR Demko ABBOTSFORD Bains - Karlsson - Lekkerimaki Twarynski - At.Raty - Ak.Raty Bloom - Sasson - Nielsen Loewen - Glover - Wouters Mueller - Kambeitz - Okabe Pettersson - McWard Wolanin - Felton Ahac - Friedman Kudryavtsev Silovs Tolopilo Jones EUROPE/NCAA/JUNIOR PROSPECTS Kravtsov - Gardner - Fernstrom Alriksson - Perkins - Romani Kunz - Patterson - Manukyan Samuelsson - Zlodeev - Forsell Mynio - Willander Dorrington - Celebrini Sansonnens - Alcos Koskenvuo Young Edited September 10 by NMHockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snoop Hogg Posted September 10 Popular Post Share Posted September 10 Did you just pick names out of a hat? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM777 Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 8 hours ago, Snoop Hogg said: Did you just pick names out of a hat? No I spent an hour making this actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuin Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/10/2024 at 8:19 AM, NMHockey said: No I spent an hour making this actually. Back to the drawing board I guess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 The trades all seem like a whole lot of AHL or replacement level players getting moved around. Apart from moving Suter out of VAN for a 5th round pick + a player picked in the 7th round of the 2024 draft. We only have 5 centers and we are trying to compete, so I don't see the point in moving Suter unless you can upgrade on him at center. Also can't think of a reason why Vegas moves Theodore (they are in win now mode too, so picks in 2027 aren't really as important to them). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM777 Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BigTramFan said: The trades all seem like a whole lot of AHL or replacement level players getting moved around. Apart from moving Suter out of VAN for a 5th round pick + a player picked in the 7th round of the 2024 draft. We only have 5 centers and we are trying to compete, so I don't see the point in moving Suter unless you can upgrade on him at center. Also can't think of a reason why Vegas moves Theodore (they are in win now mode too, so picks in 2027 aren't really as important to them). It's clearing contracts and cap space to bring in majorly-needed support in net with Husso. And upgrade the blueline with a hometown PPQB superb defenseman. With Sassons progress this summer plus other forward prospects knocking on the door in Lekkerimaki, Bains and Nielsen; Suter has no future here and is redundant on the wing with the signing of Heinen. The player in the Dallas trade is forward William Samuelsson who is Canucks alumni and current development coach Mikael Samuelssons son. W.Samuelsson was slated to go in the 3rd-4th round but dropped because teams were over-worried about him being shorter... He's a great two-way talent who is showing he will also grow in height to about 6'0-6'1. Also it's been reported for months that Vegas has shopped Theodore. They can't afford to keep him after bringing in and re-signing Noah Hanifin plus Kaedan Korczak taking the next step. Edited September 12 by NMHockey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 37 minutes ago, NMHockey said: It's clearing contracts and cap space to bring in majorly-needed support in net with Husso. And upgrade the blueline with a hometown PPQB superb defenseman. With Sassons progress this summer plus other forward prospects knocking on the door in Lekkerimaki, Bains and Nielsen; Suter has no future here and is redundant on the wing with the signing of Heinen. The player in the Dallas trade is forward William Samuelsson who is Canucks alumni and current development coach Mikael Samuelssons son. W.Samuelsson was slated to go in the 3rd-4th round but dropped because teams were over-worried about him being shorter... He's a great two-way talent who is showing he will also grow in height to about 6'0-6'1. Also it's been reported for months that Vegas has shopped Theodore. They can't afford to keep him after bringing in and re-signing Noah Hanifin plus Kaedan Korczak taking the next step. Suter is not redundant and will not be playing on the wing in VAN, so those young wingers don't make him redundant. Suter is a much-needed center (of which we only have 5 including Aman). And Aman should not be our 4C, unless it's as injury cover. We are contending not rebuilding. No question that Theodore is superb, which is why Vegas doesn't trade him. They are under the cap even when keeping Theodore and adding Korczak to their NHL roster (due to Lehner being on LTIR). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Also the NHL roster you posted is not cap compliant, even if you assume Demko is on LTIR (which is questionable). It could be compliant with a 22-man roster and Demko on LTIR, but what happens when Demko returns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 37 minutes ago, NMHockey said: It's clearing contracts and cap space to bring in majorly-needed support in net with Husso. And upgrade the blueline with a hometown PPQB superb defenseman. With Sassons progress this summer plus other forward prospects knocking on the door in Lekkerimaki, Bains and Nielsen; Suter has no future here and is redundant on the wing with the signing of Heinen. The player in the Dallas trade is forward William Samuelsson who is Canucks alumni and current development coach Mikael Samuelssons son. W.Samuelsson was slated to go in the 3rd-4th round but dropped because teams were over-worried about him being shorter... He's a great two-way talent who is showing he will also grow in height to about 6'0-6'1. Also it's been reported for months that Vegas has shopped Theodore. They can't afford to keep him after bringing in and re-signing Noah Hanifin plus Kaedan Korczak taking the next step. You've clearly put in a lot of thought. It's a lot of frittering around the edges. Can't say I feel one way or the other. I'm curious why you picked certain players in your proposals. Ollie Josephsson and William Samuelsson. Personally, I like Hirose as cool as it would be to unite the brothers. Juulsen holds a place in my fandom near Biega. Love the way he plays and hope he remains a canuck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hammertime said: You've clearly put in a lot of thought. It's a lot of frittering around the edges. Can't say I feel one way or the other. I'm curious why you picked certain players in your proposals. Ollie Josephsson and William Samuelsson. Personally, I like Hirose as cool as it would be to unite the brothers. Juulsen holds a place in my fandom near Biega. Love the way he plays and hope he remains a canuck. Juulsen is like Biega 2.0 with more of an edge, his hits truly hurt. Would be great if he could force his way into the lineup. Edited September 12 by IBatch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 OP. Just say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM777 Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 (edited) 11 hours ago, BigTramFan said: Suter is not redundant and will not be playing on the wing in VAN, so those young wingers don't make him redundant. Suter is a much-needed center (of which we only have 5 including Aman). And Aman should not be our 4C, unless it's as injury cover. We are contending not rebuilding. No question that Theodore is superb, which is why Vegas doesn't trade him. They are under the cap even when keeping Theodore and adding Korczak to their NHL roster (due to Lehner being on LTIR). So of all the forwards that could be traded... Who stays? Suter is the most expendable option and even at center he doesn't fit. You seem to forget that Allvin in a recent interview was saying the club is very high on Nils Amans future. And after losing Lindholm; Allvin is ready to see Aman get more of a role.. Also look at this down below.. DeBrusk - Pettersson - Hoglander Heinen - Miller - Boeser Joshua - Blueger - Sprong Aman / Suter - Garland Sherwood Very close in Abbotsford on forward is Lekkerimaki, Raty, Karlsson, Bains, Sasson and Nielsen. Four of which have one year remaining on their ELCs and are fastly improving. So again.. Where does Suter fit? And again.. Vegas has already shopped Theodore. He is expendable because of Hanifin being acquired and Nicolas Hague growing his game mightily. They have enough top puck-movers therefore and with both Theodore and McNabb being pending UFAS; they CANNOT afford that current blueline in a year from now and will choose the tougher and grittier stay at home D-man in McNabb over a now-redundant puck-mover in Theodore. Edited September 12 by NMHockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 22 hours ago, NMHockey said: So of all the forwards that could be traded... Who stays? Suter is the most expendable option and even at center he doesn't fit. You seem to forget that Allvin in a recent interview was saying the club is very high on Nils Amans future. And after losing Lindholm; Allvin is ready to see Aman get more of a role.. Also look at this down below.. DeBrusk - Pettersson - Hoglander Heinen - Miller - Boeser Joshua - Blueger - Sprong Aman / Suter - Garland Sherwood Very close in Abbotsford on forward is Lekkerimaki, Raty, Karlsson, Bains, Sasson and Nielsen. Four of which have one year remaining on their ELCs and are fastly improving. So again.. Where does Suter fit? And again.. Vegas has already shopped Theodore. He is expendable because of Hanifin being acquired and Nicolas Hague growing his game mightily. They have enough top puck-movers therefore and with both Theodore and McNabb being pending UFAS; they CANNOT afford that current blueline in a year from now and will choose the tougher and grittier stay at home D-man in McNabb over a now-redundant puck-mover in Theodore. Look at what? Is it Hoglander on his off side and playing with Pete where he wasn't effective last year? Or splitting up Garland Dak and dumping Garland on the 4th? BeCaUsE SpRoNg Or you forgetting the value of a swiss army knife player like Suter who can play top 6, bottom 6, C, W and PK because Alvin pumped Aman's tires in an interview. My money says Aman is in the SHL in 2 years too soft for NA. Or your prediction that Vegas will keep the 33yo McNabb over 29yo Theodore who's nearly a PPG defender. What are we looking at? Is it the use of fastly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM777 Posted September 13 Author Share Posted September 13 6 hours ago, Hammertime said: Look at what? Is it Hoglander on his off side and playing with Pete where he wasn't effective last year? Or splitting up Garland Dak and dumping Garland on the 4th? BeCaUsE SpRoNg Or you forgetting the value of a swiss army knife player like Suter who can play top 6, bottom 6, C, W and PK because Alvin pumped Aman's tires in an interview. My money says Aman is in the SHL in 2 years too soft for NA. Or your prediction that Vegas will keep the 33yo McNabb over 29yo Theodore who's nearly a PPG defender. What are we looking at? Is it the use of fastly? Hoglander plays his off-side all the time. DeBrusk is far better on the left side and you can ask any Bruins fan about that. What happened last year is just that; LAST YEAR. Blueger and Sprong were both drafted by Pittsburgh and are very familiar with each others games. Giving Sprong a chance on the 3rd line is not the end of the world. Garland on the 4th even to start the season gives us incredible scoring depth. Aman takes hits and always gets right back in the play. Since joining Vancouver he has only gotten faster, smarter, more involved on the forecheck, and has focused on adding size. Allvin wouldn't waste scouting time and resources to pluck a former 6th round pick of Colorados, re-sign him for 2 years and then speak like that about him in an interview; if he thought that player didn't stance a chance in the NHL. Aman is 6'2, plays a 4th line style role constantly and rolls with the bumps and bruises. He is also well-liked in the locker room, young and cheap; and therefore a prime candidate to be the 4th line C for now. You still don't have an answer for where the room for Suter is in 1-2 years from now; possibly even 1-2 months from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 5 hours ago, NMHockey said: Hoglander plays his off-side all the time. DeBrusk is far better on the left side and you can ask any Bruins fan about that. What happened last year is just that; LAST YEAR. Blueger and Sprong were both drafted by Pittsburgh and are very familiar with each others games. Giving Sprong a chance on the 3rd line is not the end of the world. Garland on the 4th even to start the season gives us incredible scoring depth. Aman takes hits and always gets right back in the play. Since joining Vancouver he has only gotten faster, smarter, more involved on the forecheck, and has focused on adding size. Allvin wouldn't waste scouting time and resources to pluck a former 6th round pick of Colorados, re-sign him for 2 years and then speak like that about him in an interview; if he thought that player didn't stance a chance in the NHL. Aman is 6'2, plays a 4th line style role constantly and rolls with the bumps and bruises. He is also well-liked in the locker room, young and cheap; and therefore a prime candidate to be the 4th line C for now. You still don't have an answer for where the room for Suter is in 1-2 years from now; possibly even 1-2 months from now. I don't know where to start. There's too much I disagree with. Mainly though I consider our depth a strength. You want to throw it in the blender. Suter is a very good player for us. Hoglander struggled in the top 6 and especially on his off side. Aman is not as good as Juho Lammiko and will be in the SHL soon IMO. Garland on the forth is not depth it's poor usage. Where Suter/Blueger are 2-3 years from now is of no consequence right now they play a valuable role for us. If they walk Ufa so be it. They were signed Ufa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM777 Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 19 hours ago, Hammertime said: I don't know where to start. There's too much I disagree with. Mainly though I consider our depth a strength. You want to throw it in the blender. Suter is a very good player for us. Hoglander struggled in the top 6 and especially on his off side. Aman is not as good as Juho Lammiko and will be in the SHL soon IMO. Garland on the forth is not depth it's poor usage. Where Suter/Blueger are 2-3 years from now is of no consequence right now they play a valuable role for us. If they walk Ufa so be it. They were signed Ufa. You are disagreeing with Allvin and company is what I'm saying. Look at the way Max Sasson played against the Oilers prospects last night. He is just one of multiple Suter-clones knocking on the door. Why not get value for Suter and not lose him for nothing? Just because he played with two top players in Miller and Boeser does not mean he is one. Don't get me wrong I like him too but Suter is not a hard player to replace or quickly develop. And asset management has been a major flaw of the Canucks and a reason why we've lacked extra draft picks. With Hoglander he is obviously a still developing player and you are pin-pointing that as him not being a fit on the RW in the top six. He has improved drastically every season and him and Pettersson love playing with each other. Nils Aman and Juho Lammikko are two very different players. Aman is a lanky smooth-fundamentals versatile forward who has a good stick down low yet struggles on faceoffs. Lammikko is a stockier and quicker player who did better on faceoffs and was more physical down low. Allvin really likes Nils Aman and wants him to get a bigger role so you're idea of him bolting to the SHL is very far-fetched. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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