[PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Tampa Bay Lightning Oct 15

[BC_Hawk]

1 minute ago, PeteyBOI said:

Not really when mackinnon makes 12.6. Ep took us too the bank… mcdavid took a fair deal too. If in two year hiss aav is like 15th highest in the league maybe it becomes an acceptable aav… as of right now he’s overpaid, nothing more to say

And that assumes that he regains his form; that is the biggest disappointment.

[AnthonyG]

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Leon Draisaitl Stats by Elite Prospects Leon Draisaitl Advanced Stats by     Season Cap Hit League Team GP G A TP PIM   TOI GF% DFF% Rel DFF% CF% Rel CF% G60 P60 Connor McDavid Stats by Elite Prospects Connor McDavid Advanced Stats by  2024-25 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 4 0 4 4 2   68 28.60 61.30 3.90 65.20 4.50   1.75  2023-24 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 76 32 100 132 30   1,228 61.00 63.10 9.60 59.50 6.70 0.93 3.52  2022-23 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 64 89 153 36   1,307 54.70 58.50 6.60 54.20 2.90 1.47 2.71  2021-22 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 80 44 79 123 45   1,330 59.50 59.10 11.40 56.70 6.50 0.99 2.62  2020-21 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 56 33 72 105 20   927 56.80 56.60 11.10 54.70 9.80 1.23 3.63  2019-20 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 64 34 63 97 28   1,046 51.30 49.60 -0.10 47.50 -0.40 1.20 2.87  2018-19 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 78 41 75 116 20   1,362 50.66 48.27 0.86 49.93 2.91 1.06 2.77  2017-18 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 41 67 108 26   1,343 57.04 54.76 6.52 51.61 2.90 1.34 3.17  2016-17 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 30 70 100 26   1,316 62.10 57.75 10.34 53.25 4.21 0.96 2.87  2015-16 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 45 16 32 48 18   625 50.70 56.51 10.28 50.83 4.66 1.15 2.78
2024-25	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	4	2	1	3	8		65	25.00	58.70	-0.50	61.50	-1.30		0.92
2023-24	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	81	41	65	106	76		1,252	59.50	59.00	2.90	55.70	0.70	0.72	2.64
2022-23	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	80	52	76	128	24		1,268	51.40	54.30		52.10	-0.30	0.80	2.41
2021-22	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	80	55	55	110	40		1,286	54.00	50.10	-3.10	50.50	-3.10	1.21	2.52
2020-21	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	56	31	53	84	22		902	63.20	51.00	1.50	50.60	3.10	0.86	2.66
2019-20	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	71	43	67	110	18		1,155	51.90	49.60	0.90	48.10	0.70	1.14	2.91
2018-19	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	82	50	55	105	52		1,378	50.34	47.30	-0.85	48.25	0.42	1.22	2.57
2017-18	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	78	25	45	70	30		1,127	49.17	52.48	3.08	51.49	2.76	0.69	2.29
2016-17	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	82	29	48	77	20		1,177	53.57	53.59	3.40	51.61	1.62	0.66	2.04
2015-16	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	72	19	32	51	20		1,038	51.69	54.12	6.52	50.98	3.87	0.81	2.20
2014-15	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	37	2	7	9	4		398	30.56	49.62	3.70	50.24	2.52	0.15	1.05

 

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Auston Matthews Stats by Elite Prospects Auston Matthews Advanced Stats by
2024-25	$13,250,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	3	0	0	0	0		41	100.00	71.30	9.30	65.30	14.50
2023-24	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	81	69	38	107	20		1,239	60.40	57.20	6.90	54.50	5.10	1.84	2.95
2022-23	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	74	40	45	85	20		1,147	67.00	57.50	5.40	53.60	4.10	1.31	2.72
2021-22	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	73	60	46	106	18		1,180	58.50	62.20	10.50	59.50	8.60	1.93	3.36
2020-21	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	52	41	25	66	10		863	63.90	59.20	5.70	53.80	3.70	1.95	3.06
2019-20	$11,634,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	70	47	33	80	8		1,150	59.40	55.60	5.90	54.40	3.30	1.57	2.35
2018-19	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	68	37	36	73	12		1,020	48.67	50.63	-0.88	52.81	0.84	1.35	2.76
2017-18	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	62	34	29	63	12		929	67.02	51.72	1.55	50.92	0.50	1.68	2.91
2016-17	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	82	40	29	69	14		1,161	51.58	52.04	2.44	52.24	1.80	1.55	2.17

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Elias Pettersson Stats by Elite Prospects Elias Pettersson Advanced Stats by
2024-25	$11,600,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	3	0	1	1	0		39	33.30	40.00	-14.30	46.30	-9.10
2023-24	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	82	34	55	89	12		1,086	58.90	52.40	0.70	52.90	1.90	0.77	2.54
2022-23	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	80	39	63	102	14		1,101	56.00	52.80	7.90	50.30	3.90	1.14	3.05
2021-22	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	80	32	36	68	12		1,091	50.60	50.10	0.90	50.40	0.90	0.88	1.60
2020-21	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	26	10	11	21	6		328	52.40	48.70	2.90	49.70	1.30	0.92	2.56
2019-20	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	68	27	39	66	18		927	64.60	54.70	9.00	54.70	8.60	1.23	2.59
2018-19	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	71	28	38	66	12		967	51.09	46.10	1.29	50.14	2.97	0.87	2.42

 

 

 

FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PETTERSSON

He produces at nearly the same rate as the any other big star out there. His issue on the actual stat sheet is TOI, he gets 2-5minutes less than a lot of star players at 5v5. They are given more icetime to score 5v5, they dont kill penalties and they get more favorable offensive zone starts, Petterrsson gets a 50/50 zone distribution and takes on PK duties. He p/60 is nearly the same rate. Stop fucking complaining. He also has much worse line mates so his production is indeed going to take a hit. Right now he's facing new linemates once again and they are still getting used to each others tendencies. 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:

We gave up a 3 goal lead against Cgy bc we decided to not skate for the remaining 40 min. That is not a staple of a RT team. The last 40 min were a blow out minus a lucky Hughes save and nice JT goal.

 

Against Philly, the team played well, but you could see the rust and ineffectiveness of the Top 6. The "effort" was there though. 

 

Last night, the team got dominated in the 1st...then tried to climb out, but you could see the rust and ineffectiveness of the Top 6 and a total lack of a of PP. That game was never close in my opinion.

 

In all 3 loses I have not seen the Canucks impose their system and structure on the otehr team...minus the 1st Period against Cgy. In the rest, the play is reactionary and garbled. The only players showing up shift after shift are Hughes and Garland.

 

I disagree, they've been playing exactly like that for a long time now.  RT talks a big game, but doesn't actually adjust very well

[PeteyBOI]

@AnthonyG

 

no just no…

 

no to that wall of stats,

 

no to your analysis 

 

no to everything.

 

petey doesn’t play 20+ minutes because he can’t… if he could he would… he will never be a superstar until he can…

 

all the superstars can play 20+ minutes why can’t he?

 

minutes too tough, give me a break…

 

nope he simply can’t handle 20+ minutes and be effective… he’s likely already peaked imo, unless he gains some muscle, strength and speed… but the way he talks about gaining weight I don’t think he will…

[GrammaInTheTub]

14 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

I disagree, they've been playing exactly like that for a long time now.  RT talks a big game, but doesn't actually adjust very well

You don’t know that he hasn’t made adjustments. That team play may not align with your perceived deficiencies in play does not constitute proof. Again - guy won the Jack Adams for a reason. But right right it was because the broadcasters association forgot about the second-half of the season and awarded it solely on the first half as a special exception for him. Your nonsense is grating.

[Coconuts]

Canucks brought in quite a few new pieces, it's not surprising that they aren't all gelling immediately. Camp was in late September, we're halfway through October, and there is no static timeframe for adjustments and the development of chemistry. 

[JayDangles]

3 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

Different way of looking at it the same way I guess. The team needs Pettersson to be going to be successful....and that was reflected in the fact that they gave him a 11.6m contract. IF he had been given a 4m contract, the team could make moves to get other players to make the team successful.

 

I am by no means a Elias hater, I am just very confused on where his game and confidence has gone. 

The biggest problem to me is people are arguing over needing to add another top 6 player to help our $11.6m centre. That's nuts! Petey is the player who should be performing regardless yet we now need to find a Guentzel or a Point to play with Petey just to make him good again. 

[Blue]

It really is weak and lame to doom like this when the team hasn't been on the wrong side of the win-o-meter even once. With the backup goaltender. Against teams we've always had problems with (Philly, Tampa)

 

 

[stawns]

8 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said:

You don’t know that he hasn’t made adjustments. That team play may not align with your perceived deficiencies in play does not constitute proof. Again - guy won the Jack Adams for a reason. But right right it was because the broadcasters association forgot about the second-half of the season and awarded it solely on the first half as a special exception for him. Your nonsense is grating.

 

Well, if they've been playing the same game since last January, does it seem like he's making adjustments?  The product on the ice speaks a lot more truth than you do

[JayDangles]

25 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Leon Draisaitl Stats by Elite Prospects Leon Draisaitl Advanced Stats by     Season Cap Hit League Team GP G A TP PIM   TOI GF% DFF% Rel DFF% CF% Rel CF% G60 P60 Connor McDavid Stats by Elite Prospects Connor McDavid Advanced Stats by  2024-25 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 4 0 4 4 2   68 28.60 61.30 3.90 65.20 4.50   1.75  2023-24 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 76 32 100 132 30   1,228 61.00 63.10 9.60 59.50 6.70 0.93 3.52  2022-23 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 64 89 153 36   1,307 54.70 58.50 6.60 54.20 2.90 1.47 2.71  2021-22 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 80 44 79 123 45   1,330 59.50 59.10 11.40 56.70 6.50 0.99 2.62  2020-21 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 56 33 72 105 20   927 56.80 56.60 11.10 54.70 9.80 1.23 3.63  2019-20 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 64 34 63 97 28   1,046 51.30 49.60 -0.10 47.50 -0.40 1.20 2.87  2018-19 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 78 41 75 116 20   1,362 50.66 48.27 0.86 49.93 2.91 1.06 2.77  2017-18 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 41 67 108 26   1,343 57.04 54.76 6.52 51.61 2.90 1.34 3.17  2016-17 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 30 70 100 26   1,316 62.10 57.75 10.34 53.25 4.21 0.96 2.87  2015-16 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 45 16 32 48 18   625 50.70 56.51 10.28 50.83 4.66 1.15 2.78
2024-25	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	4	2	1	3	8		65	25.00	58.70	-0.50	61.50	-1.30		0.92
2023-24	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	81	41	65	106	76		1,252	59.50	59.00	2.90	55.70	0.70	0.72	2.64
2022-23	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	80	52	76	128	24		1,268	51.40	54.30		52.10	-0.30	0.80	2.41
2021-22	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	80	55	55	110	40		1,286	54.00	50.10	-3.10	50.50	-3.10	1.21	2.52
2020-21	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	56	31	53	84	22		902	63.20	51.00	1.50	50.60	3.10	0.86	2.66
2019-20	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	71	43	67	110	18		1,155	51.90	49.60	0.90	48.10	0.70	1.14	2.91
2018-19	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	82	50	55	105	52		1,378	50.34	47.30	-0.85	48.25	0.42	1.22	2.57
2017-18	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	78	25	45	70	30		1,127	49.17	52.48	3.08	51.49	2.76	0.69	2.29
2016-17	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	82	29	48	77	20		1,177	53.57	53.59	3.40	51.61	1.62	0.66	2.04
2015-16	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	72	19	32	51	20		1,038	51.69	54.12	6.52	50.98	3.87	0.81	2.20
2014-15	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	37	2	7	9	4		398	30.56	49.62	3.70	50.24	2.52	0.15	1.05

 

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Auston Matthews Stats by Elite Prospects Auston Matthews Advanced Stats by
2024-25	$13,250,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	3	0	0	0	0		41	100.00	71.30	9.30	65.30	14.50
2023-24	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	81	69	38	107	20		1,239	60.40	57.20	6.90	54.50	5.10	1.84	2.95
2022-23	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	74	40	45	85	20		1,147	67.00	57.50	5.40	53.60	4.10	1.31	2.72
2021-22	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	73	60	46	106	18		1,180	58.50	62.20	10.50	59.50	8.60	1.93	3.36
2020-21	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	52	41	25	66	10		863	63.90	59.20	5.70	53.80	3.70	1.95	3.06
2019-20	$11,634,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	70	47	33	80	8		1,150	59.40	55.60	5.90	54.40	3.30	1.57	2.35
2018-19	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	68	37	36	73	12		1,020	48.67	50.63	-0.88	52.81	0.84	1.35	2.76
2017-18	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	62	34	29	63	12		929	67.02	51.72	1.55	50.92	0.50	1.68	2.91
2016-17	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	82	40	29	69	14		1,161	51.58	52.04	2.44	52.24	1.80	1.55	2.17

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Elias Pettersson Stats by Elite Prospects Elias Pettersson Advanced Stats by
2024-25	$11,600,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	3	0	1	1	0		39	33.30	40.00	-14.30	46.30	-9.10
2023-24	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	82	34	55	89	12		1,086	58.90	52.40	0.70	52.90	1.90	0.77	2.54
2022-23	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	80	39	63	102	14		1,101	56.00	52.80	7.90	50.30	3.90	1.14	3.05
2021-22	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	80	32	36	68	12		1,091	50.60	50.10	0.90	50.40	0.90	0.88	1.60
2020-21	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	26	10	11	21	6		328	52.40	48.70	2.90	49.70	1.30	0.92	2.56
2019-20	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	68	27	39	66	18		927	64.60	54.70	9.00	54.70	8.60	1.23	2.59
2018-19	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	71	28	38	66	12		967	51.09	46.10	1.29	50.14	2.97	0.87	2.42

 

 

 

FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PETTERSSON

He produces at nearly the same rate as the any other big star out there. His issue on the actual stat sheet is TOI, he gets 2-5minutes less than a lot of star players at 5v5. They are given more icetime to score 5v5, they dont kill penalties and they get more favorable offensive zone starts, Petterrsson gets a 50/50 zone distribution and takes on PK duties. He p/60 is nearly the same rate. Stop fucking complaining. He also has much worse line mates so his production is indeed going to take a hit. Right now he's facing new linemates once again and they are still getting used to each others tendencies. 

No, you are clearly not listening to what people are saying.

Can you please point to the stat that says where an $11.6m player is only expected to score 1 goal in their last 23 regular season games?

 

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

The biggest problem to me is people are arguing over needing to add another top 6 player to help our $11.6m centre. That's nuts! Petey is the player who should be performing regardless yet we now need to find a Guentzel or a Point to play with Petey just to make him good again. 

 

I think they need to try different things to find the right chemistry of players for him.  

[JayDangles]

1 minute ago, Blue said:

It really is weak and lame to doom like this when the team hasn't been on the wrong side of the win-o-meter even once. With the backup goaltender. Against teams we've always had problems with (Philly, Tampa)

 

 

That is so wrong it's laughable! 

Canucks haven't come close to deserving to win any of the 3 games so far! Lol

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Canucks brought in quite a few new pieces, it's not surprising that they aren't all gelling immediately. Camp was in late September, we're halfway through October, and there is no static timeframe for adjustments and the development of chemistry. 

 

Once again, don't you think they've been playing this same style for a long time?

 

Of course the common thread is an injured demko, who very clearly covered up a lot of warts in the first half of the year last season.

[Coconuts]

34 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said:

Canucks need a Top 4 Dman, not siply RD depth. Our depth is REALLY good, its start bottom 2 that need improvement.

 

Realistically we probably need two legit top 4D, but we don't have the cap space for it. 

 

That being said, there are plenty of teams whose top 4 isn't made up of legit top 4D. 

 

At this point Myers is ideally a 5D, but given what he was willing to take as pay, his extensive experience playing top 4, and his familiarity with the roster, coaches, systems, and so on, he was our best bet. 

 

Soucy's probably a 4-5 tweener too, Zadorov wasn't played as a top 4D during the regular season. 

 

Frankly, despite his running out of gas as the season went on, we're missing what Cole brought. 

[Blue]

11 minutes ago, PeteyBOI said:

@AnthonyG

 

no just no…

 

no to that wall of stats,

 

no to your analysis 

 

no to everything.

 

petey doesn’t play 20+ minutes because he can’t… if he could he would… he will never be a superstar until he can…

 

all the superstars can play 20+ minutes why can’t he?

 

minutes too tough, give me a break…

 

nope he simply can’t handle 20+ minutes and be effective… he’s likely already peaked imo, unless he gains some muscle, strength and speed… but the way he talks about gaining weight I don’t think he will…

You can't counter context and data with "no, just no" and lame cliches and doom casting. 

 

Anyway , this is just another receipt you'll have to eat.

[Goose]

I dont doubt Petey’s effort-he’s just losing all of his puck battles lol.  Having Garland and Hoagie can help him in that regard, and hopefully the connectivity is there.  That’s been the issue w his line lately-too much one and done/puck going the other way.  In the off season I though Garland/Joshua might suit him.   

[Coconuts]

Just now, stawns said:

 

Once again, don't you think they've been playing this same style for a long time?

 

Of course the common thread is an injured demko, who very clearly covered up a lot of warts in the first half of the year last season.

 

The guys who were here last season, yeah. The six NHL level additions? Maybe not. Abbotsford supposedly plays a similar style, but there's still a gap between the NHL and AHL that these guys have to navigate, which may be a contributing factor to any of them struggling. 

 

The Canucks also raised expectations last season, it's not surprising that teams are probably taking us more seriously. 

 

Yeah, Demko covers warts, that's been a theme for most of the 2020's. 

[JayDangles]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

 

I think they need to try different things to find the right chemistry of players for him.  

OK, so kuzmenko was having a terrible year last year with Petey, yet he is rebounding just fine in Calgary. Here is a list of players who have all played with Petey in the last year. So what are we saying? How many more players are we supposed to sign to try and find chemistry for 1 player. And why is it the $5m dollar players job to help Peteys game?

 

Garland

Kuzmenko

Hoglander

Sprong

Debrusk

Joshua

Podkolzin 

 

We've even broken up the Miller line to help Petey a couple times.

 

[Jaimito]

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:06 PM by Jaimito

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

OK, so kuzmenko was having a terrible year last year with Petey, yet he is rebounding just fine in Calgary. Here is a list of players who have all played with Petey in the last year. So what are we saying? How many more players are we supposed to sign to try and find chemistry for 1 player. And why is it the $5m dollar players job to help Peteys game?

 

Garland

Kuzmenko

Hoglander

Sprong

Debrusk

Joshua

Podkolzin 

 

We've even broken up the Miller line to help Petey a couple times.

 

 

RT coached the skill out of Kuz's game, imo

[Jaimito]

That didn't last long.  But he's got potential. 

 

 

[RWJC]

3 minutes ago, PeteyBOI said:

@AnthonyG

 

no just no…

 

no to that wall of stats,

 

no to your analysis 

 

no to everything.

 

petey doesn’t play 20+ minutes because he can’t… if he could he would… he will never be a superstar until he can…

 

all the superstars can play 20+ minutes why can’t he?

 

minutes too tough, give me a break…

 

nope he simply can’t handle 20+ minutes and be effective… he’s likely already peaked imo, unless he gains some muscle, strength and speed… but the way he talks about gaining weight I don’t think he will…

To play devil’s advocate, RT just a few days ago said he feels he needs to reduce EP’s ice time to under 20mins per game. He also mentioned that EP has been asked to come in ahead of practice to work on refining his game.

 

The question is - is the tendinitis a hampering issue, does EP not have the stamina because his training has been limited due to the tendinitis, or has he just succumbed a bit to the pressure, expectation that he, the org and the fanbase all have on him?

 

I think it’s a little bit of everything. He seems fatigued to me and not just physically but emotionally a little spent. I think he has a very high expectation of himself and that’s a good thing, but the fact that he disnt want the captaincy is something that always has stuck with me a bit. Franchise players want that responsibility, they crave it and thrive off it. Your leaders, especially in the playoffs, want to take the crest and wear it on their sleeve as well as their chest. EP instead felt it was better to focus on his game and that perhaps a different voice would be a better option to lead this team. While I wholeheartedly agree with that decision, to me it makes me question his desire. He needs to prove that as part of this new contract. He achieved what he wanted, which despite having to cave to mgmt, was long term security both financially and in terms of where he plays going forward (after this season).

 

People think he committed to the city.
No offense to anyone but he didn’t do that in today’s hockey as a business. He committed to a contract that currently pays him amongst the top 5 players in the league…despite wherever he plays. And as of next year he can decide if his heart is here or perhaps in a smaller market.

 

I am an EP fan and fully support him in this jersey, but if I was mgmt, I wouldn’t classify EP in the same category as QH in terms of what the player represents to this club. He has not yet proven to be heart and soul. 
Here’s hoping he evolves into that though.

[JayDangles]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

 

RT coached the skill out of Kuz's game, imo

Yeah I agree Kuzmenko was put into a box where he couldn't find a way to be defensively responsible and still score. But I still think peteys lack of offence also played a role in Kuzmenkos sudden drop off

[AnthonyG]

10 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

No, you are clearly not listening to what people are saying.

Can you please point to the stat that says where an $11.6m player is only expected to score 1 goal in their last 23 regular season games?

 

Can you please point to me how many goals happen without a pass? his P/60 is still 2.54 thats as high as almost every other star around the league. Clearly health has been an issue.

19% offensive zone starts this season... Kinda hard to score from your own end. New linemates? Took a set twins to turn Anson Carter into a "star"

How much more useful is Petey in the corners versus in the slot or top of the circle? 

Pettersson is much better on the wing. He is also averaging under 13 minutes of ice time 5v5. how fucking easy is that to produce? 

 

McDavid puts a up a fuckton on the PP... He's not much better than 5v5 and his ability to score is 1/100 attempted highlight reels.
 

An injured Pettersson was also saddled with a struggling Lindholm and Hoglander OH and over 380mins TOI with Shitkeyev. You want to rip Petterssons production??? his top fucking linemate was Mikheyev and they produced 19 fucking points. Please point to me where Mikheyev is a 2nd line player? OR able score a fucking goal for that matter. 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, JayDangles said:

Yeah I agree Kuzmenko was put into a box where he couldn't find a way to be defensively responsible and still score. But I still think peteys lack of offence also played a role in Kuzmenkos sudden drop off

 

Petey was on fire while kuz was in the lineup, no?  It wasn't until after kyz was gone that Peteys offense dried up