[PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Tampa Bay Lightning Oct 15

[spook007]

4 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

It's reassuring to hear there would have been lots of suitors because the way he's going, I will NOT be at all surprised to see him unloaded before the end of the season if he doesn't "snap-out" of his coma and we'll need some interested parties to take him off our hands - albeit with some salary retention required on our end.   Better to " bite the bullet" and do that this year before his NTC kicks in and get stuck with another long term Swedish Cap retention/buyback penalty for the next decade than be stuck with an $11.6 million dollar "Boat Anchor" until next decade.  

Cheers amigo... maybe step back from the ledge. Its 3 games... and I don't give much for, it was also like this at the end of last season. And more importantly, management didn't hand out a $11.6M x8 year contract, just to ship it out in the first year... 

If Petey really does fail to find his mojo, we're stuck with him...

But that is not to say, he didn't have any suitors, prior to signing with the Canucks. 
Time will tell I guess.

[AnthonyG]

10 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

OK, so kuzmenko was having a terrible year last year with Petey, yet he is rebounding just fine in Calgary. Here is a list of players who have all played with Petey in the last year. So what are we saying? How many more players are we supposed to sign to try and find chemistry for 1 player. And why is it the $5m dollar players job to help Peteys game?

 

Garland

Kuzmenko

Hoglander

Sprong

Debrusk

Joshua

Podkolzin 

 

We've even broken up the Miller line to help Petey a couple times.

 

Weird Pettersson was destroying the league the first 1/4 of the season and then got shit linemates and then was clearly battling some sort of injury and his production dropped. He's now with new linemates. Chemistry isnt always instant and DeBrusk said it himself before the season started he is trying to study Pettersson and learn to read off of him. It takes a bit of time to build that familiarity. Its game 3. Relax. Give it some time. We aren't getting blown out.

[-dlc-]

15 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Once again, don't you think they've been playing this same style for a long time?

 

Of course the common thread is an injured demko, who very clearly covered up a lot of warts in the first half of the year last season.

Did he cover up warts or do what other goaltenders on top teams do? Which is perform at a level that helps make them a good team? Look at Vasi last night...he was excellent. Despite us outplaying Tampa at times. So it's just part of their job "to" cover up warts at times.

 

They've changed some personnel and are trying different things but patience is required. People are so quick to assess and no - if you're going to use last year as an example - they didn't slay it every game and shut teams out but they stayed at a top level and made it to the playoffs, giving the Oilers a good run for their $$. So don't act like they sucked. Perfection isn't something to strive for and many teams squeak out wins and aren't picture perfect. It's all about results in the end.

[PeteyBOI]

15 minutes ago, Blue said:

You can't counter context and data with "no, just no" and lame cliches and doom casting. 

 

Anyway , this is just another receipt you'll have to eat.

 lol... give me a break.... i did counter saying he cant play 20 minutes

 

your move 

[SuchaNuxtalgia]

Just WAIT 'til 20 games in..ferGawd'ssakes!

 

THEN, if there's still trubs, one can start hyperventilating(should they prefer).

Edited Wednesday at 08:16 PM by SuchaNuxtalgia

[JayDangles]

2 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Can you please point to me how many goals happen without a pass? his P/60 is still 2.54 thats as high as almost every other star around the league. Clearly health has been an issue.

19% offensive zone starts this season... Kinda hard to score from your own end. New linemates? Took a set twins to turn Anson Carter into a "star"

How much more useful is Petey in the corners versus in the slot or top of the circle? 

Pettersson is much better on the wing. He is also averaging under 13 minutes of ice time 5v5. how fucking easy is that to produce? 

 

McDavid puts a up a fuckton on the PP... He's not much better than 5v5 and his ability to score is 1/100 attempted highlight reels.
 

An injured Pettersson was also saddled with a struggling Lindholm and Hoglander OH and over 380mins TOI with Shitkeyev. You want to rip Petterssons production??? his top fucking linemate was Mikheyev and they produced 19 fucking points. Please point to me where Mikheyev is a 2nd line player? OR able score a fucking goal for that matter. 

Easy there big shoots, you're gonna hurt yourself.

So you're saying that Pettersson is a victim here? And the fact that Lindholm, Mikheyev, Hoglander, Garland production all dropped off when they played with Petey is what? A coincidence? They are probably all happy to be off of his line! 

So we need to find an $12m player to help our $11.6m player look like he's worth the money? That doesnt make sense.

 

[-dlc-]

1 hour ago, PeteyBOI said:

Not really when mackinnon makes 12.6. Ep took us too the bank… mcdavid took a fair deal too. If in two year hiss aav is like 15th highest in the league maybe it becomes an acceptable aav… as of right now he’s overpaid, nothing more to say

You can't just compare based on today. McDavid's deal was 7-8 years ago. Nate's two years ago (I think)when things were still not fully stable after COVID.

 

I mean, I bought a loaf of bread 7 years ago for $0.99....now it's $4.00.

 

So Petey's contract being signed when it was is on a sliding scale in comparison to other's. What would THEY sign for when he did? 

 

Teams also are in different positions and have different needs. It's all relative to needs/wants and a budget that has to be worked within. I hate that people compare player's contracts...there is so much more to factor in than just the dollar amounts.

 

 

[AnthonyG]

32 minutes ago, PeteyBOI said:

@AnthonyG

 

 

 

petey doesn’t play 20+ minutes because he can’t… if he could he would… he will never be a superstar until he can…

 

all the superstars can play 20+ minutes why can’t he?

 

minutes too tough, give me a break…

 

nope he simply can’t handle 20+ minutes and be effective… he’s likely already peaked imo, unless he gains some muscle, strength and speed… but the way he talks about gaining weight I don’t think he will…

Buddy he is playing 20:22 per game right fucking now. 

FIVE ON FIVE vs PP+PK+5v5 is not the same. 

 

His opportunities to score have been reduced by having more PK time than 5v5. Stop putting him on the fucking PK give him another 2-4 minutes TOI and watch the production increase. his P/60 shows he scores at the same rate, he doesnt put up as many points because he gets less time with opportunity.

 

2.54x82=208.28 point pace. Thats his pace of scoring in just 13 minutes of ice time all season. 

[JayDangles]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Weird Pettersson was destroying the league the first 1/4 of the season and then got shit linemates and then was clearly battling some sort of injury and his production dropped. He's now with new linemates. Chemistry isnt always instant and DeBrusk said it himself before the season started he is trying to study Pettersson and learn to read off of him. It takes a bit of time to build that familiarity. Its game 3. Relax. Give it some time. We aren't getting blown out.

For the canucks its games 3, and I have zero issue with how the team is playing, or the fact we have a losing record.

For Pettersson this has been going on for 9 months and the excuses are starting to wear really thin

[AnthonyG]

2 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Easy there big shoots, you're gonna hurt yourself.

So you're saying that Pettersson is a victim here? And the fact that Lindholm, Mikheyev, Hoglander, Garland production all dropped off when they played with Petey is what? A coincidence? They are probably all happy to be off of his line! 

So we need to find an $12m player to help our $11.6m player look like he's worth the money? That doesnt make sense.

 

Mikheyev is shit and thats clear as day. Pettersson was battling an injury of some sort was he not? so if he is expected to carry the line and hes not 100% what do you think is going to happen? And with 13mins 5v5 TOI PLUS 50% dzone distribution AND PK duties... Come on man.

 

His point pace per 60 through his career justifies his contract.

[PeteyBOI]

2 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Buddy he is playing 20:22 per game right fucking now. 

FIVE ON FIVE vs PP+PK+5v5 is not the same. 

 

His opportunities to score have been reduced by having more PK time than 5v5. Stop putting him on the fucking PK give him another 2-4 minutes TOI and watch the production increase. his P/60 shows he scores at the same rate, he doesnt put up as many points because he gets less time with opportunity.

 

2.54x82=208.28 point pace. Thats his pace of scoring in just 13 minutes of ice time all season. 

no... thats two games that went to overtime... try again

[JayDangles]

1 minute ago, -dlc- said:

You can't just compare based on today. McDavid's deal was 7-8 years ago. Nate's two years ago (I think)when things were still not fully stable after COVID.

 

I mean, I bought a loaf of brea 7 years ago for $0.99....now it's $4.00.

 

 

 Well, imagine if you just signed a contract to pay $4.00 for the bread, and you open the bag and it is only half a loaf! and now you just entered into a contract to pay $4.00 per (half)loaf for 8 years! You'd be pissed! Especially if your friend signed their bread contract 2 years ago for $3.00 a loaf, and they are getting the whole loaf still!

[Goose]

11 minutes ago, RWJC said:

To play devil’s advocate, RT just a few days ago said he feels he needs to reduce EP’s ice time to under 20mins per game. He also mentioned that EP has been asked to come in ahead of practice to work on refining his game.

 

People wondering what’s wrong with Petey-Tocchet has pretty much generalized the issue.  It’s a hard league.  Petey isnt a physical beast or speedster-his hockey IQ and skill is what separates him.  When that isnt going he has a tough time being impactful.  

 

I believe he’s a dedicated athlete but he absolutely needs that extra gear so he can strip pucks and get back that 2 way potential he showed early on.  Tocc mentioning he might need to reduce his mins might reflect that-play less and go harder rather than play more and pace yourself.  Garland/Hoagie fit that style so hopefully we can see him turn a corner

[JayDangles]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Mikheyev is shit and thats clear as day. Pettersson was battling an injury of some sort was he not? so if he is expected to carry the line and hes not 100% what do you think is going to happen? And with 13mins 5v5 TOI PLUS 50% dzone distribution AND PK duties... Come on man.

 

His point pace per 60 through his career justifies his contract.

So Pettersson gets a pass because he had a mysterious undocumented injury, But Mikheyev is shit but he had knee repair surgery. roger, I see the level of bias I am dealing with.

 I can give you some stats that are relevant. Pettersson is on a 60 point pace for the last 10 months. A 20 goal/82 game pace since he signed his contract.

What matters more? What Pettersson did 2 years ago? Or what he is currently doing lately.

 

I'll reiterate, Pettersson is on a 60pt  pace over his last 42 games. 

 

That stat means much more than what Pettersson achieved 2 years ago. (at 60% of the salary)

[filthy animal]

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Leon Draisaitl Stats by Elite Prospects Leon Draisaitl Advanced Stats by     Season Cap Hit League Team GP G A TP PIM   TOI GF% DFF% Rel DFF% CF% Rel CF% G60 P60 Connor McDavid Stats by Elite Prospects Connor McDavid Advanced Stats by  2024-25 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 4 0 4 4 2   68 28.60 61.30 3.90 65.20 4.50   1.75  2023-24 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 76 32 100 132 30   1,228 61.00 63.10 9.60 59.50 6.70 0.93 3.52  2022-23 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 64 89 153 36   1,307 54.70 58.50 6.60 54.20 2.90 1.47 2.71  2021-22 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 80 44 79 123 45   1,330 59.50 59.10 11.40 56.70 6.50 0.99 2.62  2020-21 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 56 33 72 105 20   927 56.80 56.60 11.10 54.70 9.80 1.23 3.63  2019-20 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 64 34 63 97 28   1,046 51.30 49.60 -0.10 47.50 -0.40 1.20 2.87  2018-19 $12,500,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 78 41 75 116 20   1,362 50.66 48.27 0.86 49.93 2.91 1.06 2.77  2017-18 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 41 67 108 26   1,343 57.04 54.76 6.52 51.61 2.90 1.34 3.17  2016-17 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 82 30 70 100 26   1,316 62.10 57.75 10.34 53.25 4.21 0.96 2.87  2015-16 $925,000 NHL Edmonton Oilers 45 16 32 48 18   625 50.70 56.51 10.28 50.83 4.66 1.15 2.78
2024-25	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	4	2	1	3	8		65	25.00	58.70	-0.50	61.50	-1.30		0.92
2023-24	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	81	41	65	106	76		1,252	59.50	59.00	2.90	55.70	0.70	0.72	2.64
2022-23	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	80	52	76	128	24		1,268	51.40	54.30		52.10	-0.30	0.80	2.41
2021-22	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	80	55	55	110	40		1,286	54.00	50.10	-3.10	50.50	-3.10	1.21	2.52
2020-21	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	56	31	53	84	22		902	63.20	51.00	1.50	50.60	3.10	0.86	2.66
2019-20	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	71	43	67	110	18		1,155	51.90	49.60	0.90	48.10	0.70	1.14	2.91
2018-19	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	82	50	55	105	52		1,378	50.34	47.30	-0.85	48.25	0.42	1.22	2.57
2017-18	$8,500,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	78	25	45	70	30		1,127	49.17	52.48	3.08	51.49	2.76	0.69	2.29
2016-17	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	82	29	48	77	20		1,177	53.57	53.59	3.40	51.61	1.62	0.66	2.04
2015-16	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	72	19	32	51	20		1,038	51.69	54.12	6.52	50.98	3.87	0.81	2.20
2014-15	$925,000	NHL	Edmonton Oilers	37	2	7	9	4		398	30.56	49.62	3.70	50.24	2.52	0.15	1.05

 

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Auston Matthews Stats by Elite Prospects Auston Matthews Advanced Stats by
2024-25	$13,250,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	3	0	0	0	0		41	100.00	71.30	9.30	65.30	14.50
2023-24	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	81	69	38	107	20		1,239	60.40	57.20	6.90	54.50	5.10	1.84	2.95
2022-23	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	74	40	45	85	20		1,147	67.00	57.50	5.40	53.60	4.10	1.31	2.72
2021-22	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	73	60	46	106	18		1,180	58.50	62.20	10.50	59.50	8.60	1.93	3.36
2020-21	$11,640,250	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	52	41	25	66	10		863	63.90	59.20	5.70	53.80	3.70	1.95	3.06
2019-20	$11,634,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	70	47	33	80	8		1,150	59.40	55.60	5.90	54.40	3.30	1.57	2.35
2018-19	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	68	37	36	73	12		1,020	48.67	50.63	-0.88	52.81	0.84	1.35	2.76
2017-18	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	62	34	29	63	12		929	67.02	51.72	1.55	50.92	0.50	1.68	2.91
2016-17	$925,000	NHL	Toronto Maple Leafs	82	40	29	69	14		1,161	51.58	52.04	2.44	52.24	1.80	1.55	2.17

Season	Cap Hit	League	Team	GP	G	A	TP	PIM		TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Elias Pettersson Stats by Elite Prospects Elias Pettersson Advanced Stats by
2024-25	$11,600,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	3	0	1	1	0		39	33.30	40.00	-14.30	46.30	-9.10
2023-24	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	82	34	55	89	12		1,086	58.90	52.40	0.70	52.90	1.90	0.77	2.54
2022-23	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	80	39	63	102	14		1,101	56.00	52.80	7.90	50.30	3.90	1.14	3.05
2021-22	$7,350,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	80	32	36	68	12		1,091	50.60	50.10	0.90	50.40	0.90	0.88	1.60
2020-21	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	26	10	11	21	6		328	52.40	48.70	2.90	49.70	1.30	0.92	2.56
2019-20	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	68	27	39	66	18		927	64.60	54.70	9.00	54.70	8.60	1.23	2.59
2018-19	$925,000	NHL	Vancouver Canucks	71	28	38	66	12		967	51.09	46.10	1.29	50.14	2.97	0.87	2.42

 

 

 

FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PETTERSSON

He produces at nearly the same rate as the any other big star out there. His issue on the actual stat sheet is TOI, he gets 2-5minutes less than a lot of star players at 5v5. They are given more icetime to score 5v5, they dont kill penalties and they get more favorable offensive zone starts, Petterrsson gets a 50/50 zone distribution and takes on PK duties. He p/60 is nearly the same rate. Stop fucking complaining. He also has much worse line mates so his production is indeed going to take a hit. Right now he's facing new linemates once again and they are still getting used to each others tendencies. 

 

You really need to start actually WATCHING THE GAME rather than just relying on just raw numbers. I think 80- 90% of this forum would agree that Pettersson has been atrocious since last February. Whats the excuse this time? He's not injured anymore, has Debrusk playing with him, why is it he's still struggling. This isn't even just about stats, its the way he's playing. EP40 hasn't looked dangerous at all stemming from the back half of last season.

 

You can put all those numbers all you want against Leon Draistl, nobody cares. If Draistl gets traded here for EP40 tomorrow, 1 for 1, everybody in the province will be doing cartwheels. We've seen Leon be in different lines without McDoofus, and he still contributes, whether its in the stat sheet or not

 

 

[AnthonyG]

24 minutes ago, PeteyBOI said:

 lol... give me a break.... i did counter saying he cant play 20 minutes

 

your move 

lol he plays 20:22 so you are dead wrong. Lmao

[RWJC]

12 minutes ago, Goose said:

 

People wondering what’s wrong with Petey-Tocchet has pretty much generalized the issue.  It’s a hard league.  Petey isnt a physical beast or speedster-his hockey IQ and skill is what separates him.  When that isnt going he has a tough time being impactful.  

 

I believe he’s a dedicated athlete but he absolutely needs that extra gear so he can strip pucks and get back that 2 way potential he showed early on.  Tocc mentioning he might need to reduce his mins might reflect that-play less and go harder rather than play more and pace yourself.  Garland/Hoagie fit that style so hopefully we can see him turn a corner

Absolutely agree. The only problem with that logic though is players like Matthews, McDavid, Pastrnak, etc etc are often double teamed and still manage to make something out of the situation. That’s why they are paid what they are because they unequivocally separate themselves from their competition and have the immediate ability to still create impact. EP used to do that. If he can’t do that now, what is it a symptom of? I’m talking about his individual play, irrespective of linemates or coaching assignments. He is just not as explosive or dynamic. Is that due to stature, being more easily readable, has his game stagnated…what is the root cause of what appears to be him losing a little lustre?

That superstar, game breaker version of EP is becoming a rarity over the past two seasons and that is a fair observation that warrants some concern, no?

Edited Wednesday at 08:42 PM by RWJC

[Rekker]

18 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

 Well, imagine if you just signed a contract to pay $4.00 for the bread, and you open the bag and it is only half a loaf! and now you just entered into a contract to pay $4.00 per (half)loaf for 8 years! You'd be pissed! Especially if your friend signed their bread contract 2 years ago for $3.00 a loaf, and they are getting the whole loaf still!

Not a fair comparison. EP is struggling at the monent, doesn't mean he always will be. Your assuming EP will never improve from here. Silly.

[GrammaInTheTub]

48 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Well, if they've been playing the same game since last January, does it seem like he's making adjustments?  The product on the ice speaks a lot more truth than you do

To be clear: I haven’t spoken any “truth” beyond certain objective undeniable facts - what I have posted is criticism of your assessment. Burden of proof is on you my friend and I’m just poking holes.

[filthy animal]

22 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Easy there big shoots, you're gonna hurt yourself.

So you're saying that Pettersson is a victim here? And the fact that Lindholm, Mikheyev, Hoglander, Garland production all dropped off when they played with Petey is what? A coincidence? They are probably all happy to be off of his line! 

So we need to find an $12m player to help our $11.6m player look like he's worth the money? That doesnt make sense.

 

 

Is it just me or does Petey just looks a step slower and he's getting knocked down more on every puck battle.

 

If you're getting paid 11.6 million a year, you can have fire hydrants as wingers, you should still be able to produce. It can't be conditional. 11.6 million, you're making lesser players better, and not the other way around. Even just outside of stats, 11.6 million, Petey better be the best player on your team once every week. On every game since last Febrary, game by game, theres barely a time where I can recall, Pettersson was one of our best top 3 forwards

[JayDangles]

2 minutes ago, Rekker said:

Not a fair comparison. EP is struggling at the monent, doesn't mean he always will be. Your assuming EP will never improve from here. Silly.

You used 2 words which are very general. 

"moment". I don't believe EP is just struggling at the moment. He has been struggling for 10 months

"improve" This is relative to what? his current 60pt pace? Yes I think he will improve beyond his current play. But do I think he will improve back to being a 100pt play driver? No, not at all.

I'm not saying this from some high and mighty standpoint though. I would be happy to eat crow and see him prove me wrong. I just dont see any signs this will be the case.

[AnthonyG]

Just now, filthy animal said:

 

You really need to start actually WATCHING THE GAME rather than just relying on just raw numbers. I think 80- 90% of this forum would agree that Pettersson has been atrocious since last February. Whats the excuse this time? He's not injured anymore, has Debrusk playing with him, why is it he's still struggling. This isn't even just about stats, its the way he's playing. EP40 hasn't looked dangerous at all stemming from the back half of last season.

 

You can put all those numbers all you want against Leon Draistl, nobody cares. If Draistl gets traded here for EP40 tomorrow, 1 for 1, everybody in the province will be doing cartwheels. We've seen Leon be in different lines without McDoofus, and he still contributes, whether its in the stat sheet or not

 

 

13 minutes of ice plus PK time and then PP time, 19% offensive zone starts at 5v5 through 3 games and going back to last year with injury and his under 50% offensive zone starts plus Shitkeyev and Lindholm struggling Where fuck do you see him getting into a rhythm when it’s a constant flow of different linemates and why are you saying it’s Pettersson that’s the common denominator with those other players struggles. Ever thought that maybe those guys aren’t all 2nd line players? Lindholm sure but he was struggling in Calagary before he came over so quit with your lame excuses. He was also scoring at a higher rate since joining Pettersson with 6goals 26 games vs 9 in 49.

[filthy animal]

1 minute ago, RWJC said:

Absolutely agree. The only problem with that logic though is players like Matthews, McDavid, Pastrnak, etc etc are often double teamed and still manage to make something out of the situation. That’s why they are paid what they are because they unequivocally separate themselves from their competition and have the immediate ability to still create impact. EP used to do that. If he can’t do that now, what is it a symptom of? I’m talking about his individual play, irrespective of linemates or coaching assignments. He is just not as explosive or dynamic. Is that due to stature, being more easily readable, has his game stagnated…what is the root cause of what appears to be him losing a little lustre?

That superstar, game breaker version of EP is becoming a rarity over the past two seasons and that is a fair observation that warrants some concern, no?

 

Yup, 11.6 million there shouldn't BE ANY EXCUSES. Ive heard it all, blah blah "hes playing with hoglander", people are complaning now about 25 goal scoring wingers? Even Mikeyev, this guy has scored a bit in this league, this isn't ECHL calibre talent,

 

I don't think its the coaching, scheme or the personnel. I just don't think EP40 is putting the effort, or its all mental. He's hesitating out there. Miller, Hogs, Boeser, Hughes, Garland and a few others all had career years here, but beyond the stats, they simply just played better, stats sheet or not. Its the player, not the environment

[PeteyBOI]

10 minutes ago, -dlc- said:

You can't just compare based on today. McDavid's deal was 7-8 years ago. Nate's two years ago (I think)when things were still not fully stable after COVID.

 

I mean, I bought a loaf of bread 7 years ago for $0.99....now it's $4.00.

 

So Petey's contract being signed when it was is on a sliding scale in comparison to other's. What would THEY sign for when he did? 

 

Teams also are in different positions and have different needs. It's all relative to needs/wants and a budget that has to be worked within. I hate that people compare player's contracts...there is so much more to factor in than just the dollar amounts.

 

 

im not... who says i was?

20% is the highest contract available according to the cba....

back  when mcdavid signed his contract that was no where near 20% he took a big discount... almost anyone would tell you that

in 2018/2019 cp was 79.5 million with mcdavid... 20% would be 15.9 million... instead he signed for 15.7% or 12.5M he left money on the table...

in 2024/2025 was 88 million Petterson signed for 13.18% of the cap

in 2023/2024 Mackinnons Contract was worth 15.09% of the cap

Mcdavid and mackinnon both play 22+minutes a night

EP ranks at 32nd at 19:30 minutes

overall per minute we are paying more for EP40 than Mackinnon and McDavid...

yay math that everyone loves?

 

 

[JayDangles]

5 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

13 minutes of ice plus PK time and then PP time, 19% offensive zone starts at 5v5 through 3 games and going back to last year with injury and his under 50% offensive zone starts plus Shitkeyev and Lindholm struggling Where fuck do you see him getting into a rhythm when it’s a constant flow of different linemates and why are you saying it’s Pettersson that’s the common denominator with those other players struggles. Ever thought that maybe those guys aren’t all 2nd line players? Lindholm sure but he was struggling in Calagary before he came over so quit with your lame excuses. He was also scoring at a higher rate since joining Pettersson with 6goals 26 games vs 9 in 49.

He made a good point about needing to watch the game instead of looking at statistics to try and prove a point.

 

The reality is the eye test, game in and game out is proving that EP is EP's problem. Not his ice time, or Ozone starts, or linemates. Pettersson is Petterssons problem