[PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Tampa Bay Lightning Oct 15

[Taphouse Canuck]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Life ebbs and flows. Things change. Peaks and valleys. It takes time for some teams and some players to find chemistry and their identity. 

 

We're currently in a valley. Valleys don't go on forever. We're adjusting to the adversity. We'll be climbing out of the valley toward the top of the mountain soon enough 

 

We're actually one day closer to turning things around. 

 

 

 

 

 

As long as it's not Death Valley 

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said:

You usually debate others so well. I’m disappointed in you @stawns

 

I don't really discuss with posters who resort to personal insults.  It's usually a sign of something missing somewhere else.  There really isn't much point, imo

[Heretic]

"With just eight goals over his last 49 games including playoffs, Canucks forward Elias Pettersson is closing in on 50 games in which he hasn't taken advantage of his immense skillset. "

Not exactly the numbers an owner or anyone wants to see from the 5th highest paid player this season.

[GrammaInTheTub]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

I don't really discuss with posters who resort to personal insults.  It's usually a sign of something missing somewhere else.  There really isn't much point, imo

Let me fire it up then.

 

Name specifically the changes you’d have seen RT implement, from your perceived ASG drop off to now, if you were coach. 
 

Go

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, J-23 said:

He was also injured.

Yea 100% but his injuries weren’t exactly a huge issue during the season. it was just the puck off his stick and off his pants that were unfortunate in playoffs 
He did have a hard time clearing the puck out and had a couple bad giveaways but I don’t remember if they actually resulted in a goal against 

Edited yesterday at 12:54 AM by AnthonyG

[AnthonyG]

5 hours ago, PeteyBOI said:

@AnthonyG

 

no just no…

 

no to that wall of stats,

 

no to your analysis 

 

no to everything.

 

petey doesn’t play 20+ minutes because he can’t… if he could he would… he will never be a superstar until he can…

 

all the superstars can play 20+ minutes why can’t he?

 

minutes too tough, give me a break…

 

nope he simply can’t handle 20+ minutes and be effective… he’s likely already peaked imo, unless he gains some muscle, strength and speed… but the way he talks about gaining weight I don’t think he will…

None of your superstars kill penalties and play 20mins.

 

Petey has tougher minutes when you factor in PK time. A lot more work on the PK than 5v5 and PP. Your 1 way superstars are getting beauty rest on the bench when the PK unit climbs out and goes to war. Then they coast around for 4 minutes on a “don’t touch me” PP. then they pull the equality card and go log a bunch of minutes 5v5.

also Petey is having to skate 200ft more often than the guys with 60%+ ozone starts 5v5 and all situations. Petey has a 19% offensive zone start through 3 games…. At five on fucking five.

[Oysterbean]

4 hours ago, Rekker said:

He has been struggling since last All Star break and I also see no signs of his previous greatness. He is where he is, previous high point seasons, Calder, because of skill and drive, that's fact. Just is. He's been crap for awhile, that's fact. I suspect this will get worse before better while also involving some benching and pressbox time. Something is up and only he knows what it is. I go back to his skills and drive that will eventually get him going. To say he will never regain form is silly.

I agree that while he’s put up points since his rookie year, something has happened with him.
 

I believe it has to do with his skating. 
 

In his first year, he had break away speed.
 

since his second season, to me, he always looks like he’s off balance. He changed his blade profile in his second year and that’s when he looked slower and less stable. 
 

I know from experience that when you mess around with blade profiles it can really mess your stride up. 
 

What are everyone else’s thoughts on this?

[stawns]

24 minutes ago, Oysterbean said:

I agree that while he’s put up points since his rookie year, something has happened with him.
 

I believe it has to do with his skating. 
 

In his first year, he had break away speed.
 

since his second season, to me, he always looks like he’s off balance. He changed his blade profile in his second year and that’s when he looked slower and less stable. 
 

I know from experience that when you mess around with blade profiles it can really mess your stride up. 
 

What are everyone else’s thoughts on this?

 

I think part of it might be they took a player he was close too, Bo, away, opting for a teammate he's not close with and then traded away a skilled player he meshed well with in Kuzmenko.  

 

He's still a pro and has to get over it, but he's a sensitive guy and I'm wondering if he's not feeling isolated on this team

Edited yesterday at 01:31 AM by stawns

[PeteyBOI]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

 

I don't really discuss with posters who resort to personal insults.  It's usually a sign of something missing somewhere else.  There really isn't much point, imo

[Dr. Crossbar]

The illusion is thinking our struggles are permanent. 

[Blue]

3 hours ago, Rick_theRyper said:

Yeah he was good all season till a few games in post for sure. Him and Z are way better than Forbort and Des

Zadorov got healthy scratched in one of his first few games with Vancouver. Then he went on to play the best hockey of his entire career. And the funny thing is, the low information fans think that is who Zadorov always is. If we signed him, he would be getting the same abuse from the same people as Petterson does. But hey, its sure easy to say now that it was a mistake not to sign him.

 

Our systems and coaches made Zadorov a better player than he really was. Maybe we should wait more than a game or 3 to completely write off Vinny and Forbort. 

[DeNiro]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

The illusion is thinking our struggles are permanent. 

Also that we started better last season.

 

Game 1: spanked the Oilers

Game 2: squeaked by them while getting badly outplayed

Game 3: one of our worst games of the season against the Flyers

Game 4: better effort but were outmatched by the Lightning 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:14 AM by DeNiro

[IBatch]

11 hours ago, HKSR said:

Petey has such a massive hill to climb.  When he inked that $11.6M deal, he put immense pressure on himself.  Look at it this way...  

 

Top cap hits in NHL:

1. 13.25M Matthews 

2. 12.6M Mackinnon

3. $12.5M McDavid 

4. $11.643M Panarin

5. $11.6M Pettersson

 

Scary how high his production and consistency needs to climb to be earning this kinda money.

For better or worse the team/franchise is married to EP.   Will this deal go the way Subban's did?  Or Parise?  It's hard to tell for sure.   He didn't quite take the 14% plus that superstars make but close enough.   And absolutely there should be some accountability.  At the same time we can give him some slack (for awhile anyways).    To put it in perspective, he's earning a crap ton more than Bure did, and Mogilny.   About what Naslund made (and he was a top player for a few years league wide),  and 2% more than the Sedins.    It's fair to critique. 

Edited yesterday at 02:23 AM by IBatch

[Dr. Crossbar]

5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Also that we started better last season.

 

Game 1: spanked the Oilers

Game 2: squeaked by them while getting badly outplayed

Game 3: one of our worst games of the season against the Flyers

Game 4: better effort but were outmatched by the Lightning 

 

 

 

 

When you contrast that with last season and our approach, we actually were dialed in as a collective in the offseason to ensure we got off to a great start, which we did but couldn't sustain in the second half. 

 

Now, looking at the trajectory of the first four games, we're sacrificing early success with less pressure to come together over the longer term, which is a correction from how we faded last year. 

 

 

[BigTramFan]

3 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

I agree Coconuts, but we will HOPEFULLY have Willander making his way up in the next couple years, so a bridge in Myers is acceptable. As such, due to cap, we only really NEED one more Top 4 D.

 

I'd favor LD for longterm fit and cost. Soucy would be an absolute stud 3rd pair LD, and allow us to field Juulsen or Des without any fear for the next couple years.

 

As such:

 

24/25

Hughes-Hronek

TRADE-Myers

Soucy- Des/Juulsen

 

25/26

Hughes-Hronek

TRADE-Myers

Soucy-Willander/Pettersson/Des

 

26/27

Hughes-Hronek

TRADE-Willander

Soucy (resign)-Pettersson

 

Myers is signed for 3 years, and D-Petey is a lefty. Probably only resign Soucy if D-Petey is not NHL capable by then (which is a possibility).

 

So 26/27 probably be more like this:

 

Hughes - Hronek

TRADE - Willander

Soucy/Pettersson - Myers

 

[PeteyBOI]

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

None of your superstars kill penalties and play 20mins.

 

Petey has tougher minutes when you factor in PK time. A lot more work on the PK than 5v5 and PP. Your 1 way superstars are getting beauty rest on the bench when the PK unit climbs out and goes to war. Then they coast around for 4 minutes on a “don’t touch me” PP. then they pull the equality card and go log a bunch of minutes 5v5.

also Petey is having to skate 200ft more often than the guys with 60%+ ozone starts 5v5 and all situations. Petey has a 19% offensive zone start through 3 games…. At five on fucking five.

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1	Jake Evans	2023-24	MTL	C	82	1	0	0	0	1	7	5	20.0	0.23	0.00	0.00	0.23	1.6	1.2	9.45	260:22	3:11	58.7
2	Kevin Stenlund	2023-24	FLA	C	81	2	0	0	0	2	21	14	14.2	0.55	0.00	0.00	0.55	5.8	3.8	7.69	218:22	2:42	45.2
3	Alexander Kerfoot	2023-24	ARI	C	82	2	1	1	0	3	17	11	18.1	0.56	0.28	0.00	0.84	4.8	3.1	9.23	214:37	2:37	49.9
4	Eetu Luostarinen	2023-24	FLA	C	82	0	1	1	0	1	17	8	0.0	0.00	0.28	0.00	0.28	4.8	2.3	6.50	212:10	2:35	43.3
5	Beck Malenstyn	2023-24	WSH	L	81	0	1	1	0	1	11	6	0.0	0.00	0.28	0.00	0.28	3.1	1.7	7.94	211:32	2:37	56.3
6	Charlie Coyle	2023-24	BOS	C	82	1	4	4	0	5	21	14	7.1	0.30	1.19	0.00	1.49	6.2	4.2	7.73	201:48	2:28	45.6
7	Mikael Backlund	2023-24	CGY	C	82	1	1	1	0	2	36	21	4.7	0.30	0.30	0.00	0.60	10.8	6.3	8.71	199:51	2:26	51.3
8	Jordan Greenway	2023-24	BUF	L	67	0	1	1	0	1	9	7	0.0	0.00	0.31	0.00	0.31	2.8	2.2	6.48	194:28	2:54	57.7
9	David Kampf	2023-24	TOR	C	78	0	0	0	0	0	6	4	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	1.9	1.3	9.71	191:35	2:27	51.2
10	Joel Armia	2023-24	MTL	R	66	2	0	0	0	2	16	13	15.3	0.63	0.00	0.00	0.63	5.1	4.1	7.58	189:58	2:53	55.0
11	J.T. Compher	2023-24	DET	L	77	2	0	0	0	2	11	8	25.0	0.63	0.00	0.00	0.63	3.5	2.5	9.80	189:44	2:28	53.1
12	Joel Eriksson Ek	2023-24	MIN	C	77	1	0	0	0	1	16	11	9.0	0.32	0.00	0.00	0.32	5.2	3.6	10.35	185:35	2:25	45.0
13	Andrew Copp	2023-24	DET	C	79	1	2	2	0	3	19	16	6.2	0.33	0.65	0.00	0.98	6.2	5.2	9.14	183:46	2:20	49.1
14	Luke Glendening	2023-24	TBL	C	81	1	0	0	0	1	11	9	11.1	0.33	0.00	0.00	0.33	3.6	2.9	6.86	183:45	2:16	47.3
15	Lars Eller	2023-24	PIT	C	82	1	1	1	0	2	22	18	5.5	0.34	0.34	0.00	0.67	7.4	6.0	6.71	178:48	2:11	45.0
16	Sam Carrick	2023-24	ANA, EDM	C	77	2	0	0	0	2	15	12	16.6	0.68	0.00	0.00	0.68	5.1	4.1	11.23	176:17	2:17	39.1
17	Sam Reinhart	2023-24	FLA	C	82	5	0	0	0	5	24	15	33.3	1.70	0.00	0.00	1.70	8.2	5.1	7.15	176:08	2:09	35.9
18	Parker Kelly	2023-24	OTT	C	80	2	1	1	0	3	17	12	16.6	0.68	0.34	0.00	1.02	5.8	4.1	8.19	175:44	2:12	47.0
19	Adam Henrique	2023-24	ANA, EDM	C	82	2	3	3	0	5	14	9	22.2	0.69	1.04	0.00	1.73	4.8	3.1	7.60	173:47	2:07	36.0
20	Lawson Crouse	2023-24	ARI	L	81	0	1	1	0	1	12	5	0.0	0.00	0.35	0.00	0.35	4.1	1.7	6.91	173:41	2:09	41.2
21	Elias Lindholm	2023-24	CGY, VAN	C	75	1	2	1	1	3	10	7	14.2	0.35	0.35	0.35	1.04	3.5	2.4	6.97	172:17	2:18	45.5
22	Anthony Cirelli	2023-24	TBL	C	79	2	0	0	0	2	20	14	14.2	0.70	0.00	0.00	0.70	7.0	4.9	5.59	171:47	2:10	45.7
23	Adam Lowry	2023-24	WPG	C	81	1	1	1	0	2	10	5	20.0	0.35	0.35	0.00	0.70	3.5	1.8	8.41	171:19	2:07	45.8
24	Cole Smith	2023-24	NSH	L	80	1	2	1	1	3	22	16	6.2	0.35	0.35	0.35	1.05	7.7	5.6	10.17	171:05	2:08	42.3
25	Brandon Tanev	2023-24	SEA	L	66	0	2	2	0	2	8	5	0.0	0.00	0.71	0.00	0.71	2.8	1.8	7.08	169:26	2:34	56.8
26	Jordan Staal	2023-24	CAR	C	80	1	3	2	1	4	20	14	7.1	0.36	0.71	0.36	1.42	7.1	5.0	6.39	168:58	2:07	39.7
27	Andrew Cogliano	2023-24	COL	C	75	1	3	3	0	4	7	5	20.0	0.36	1.07	0.00	1.42	2.5	1.8	8.88	168:56	2:15	44.6
28	Jason Dickinson	2023-24	CHI	C	82	0	0	0	0	0	10	8	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	3.6	2.9	9.27	168:14	2:03	44.6
29	Colton Sissons	2023-24	NSH	C	81	3	1	1	0	4	14	9	33.3	1.07	0.36	0.00	1.43	5.0	3.2	12.89	167:32	2:04	41.0
30	Alexander Wennberg	2023-24	SEA, NYR	C	79	1	0	0	0	1	11	10	10.0	0.36	0.00	0.00	0.36	4.0	3.6	8.33	165:41	2:06	45.6
31	Seth Jarvis	2023-24	CAR	C	81	2	1	0	1	3	17	13	15.3	0.73	0.00	0.36	1.09	6.2	4.7	4.72	165:15	2:02	38.6
32	Brandon Hagel	2023-24	TBL	L	82	0	2	2	0	2	18	10	0.0	0.00	0.73	0.00	0.73	6.5	3.6	4.72	165:06	2:01	41.9
33	Nick Bjugstad	2023-24	ARI	C	76	1	0	0	0	1	14	10	10.0	0.37	0.00	0.00	0.37	5.1	3.7	8.44	163:31	2:09	40.4
34	Frank Vatrano	2023-24	ANA	R	82	3	1	1	0	4	19	14	21.4	1.11	0.37	0.00	1.48	7.0	5.2	10.72	162:19	1:59	31.5
35	Connor Dewar	2023-24	MIN, TOR	C	74	1	0	0	0	1	7	6	16.6	0.38	0.00	0.00	0.38	2.6	2.3	9.02	159:43	2:10	38.2
36	Claude Giroux	2023-24	OTT	R	82	2	1	1	0	3	23	21	9.5	0.77	0.38	0.00	1.15	8.8	8.1	12.28	156:21	1:54	40.9
37	Jean-Gabriel Pageau	2023-24	NYI	C	82	1	5	5	0	6	20	14	7.1	0.38	1.92	0.00	2.31	7.7	5.4	9.24	155:54	1:54	45.0
38	Cole Sillinger	2023-24	CBJ	C	77	0	1	1	0	1	20	12	0.0	0.00	0.38	0.00	0.38	7.7	4.6	10.01	155:51	2:01	44.1
39	Radek Faksa	2023-24	DAL	C	74	2	2	2	0	4	10	7	28.5	0.78	0.78	0.00	1.57	3.9	2.7	8.23	153:03	2:04	46.2
40	Barclay Goodrow	2023-24	NYR	C	80	1	0	0	0	1	12	7	14.2	0.39	0.00	0.00	0.39	4.7	2.7	7.86	152:46	1:55	40.6
41	Mika Zibanejad	2023-24	NYR	C	81	2	4	3	1	6	18	11	18.1	0.79	1.18	0.39	2.36	7.1	4.3	4.32	152:38	1:53	39.6
42	Yanni Gourde	2023-24	SEA	C	80	2	1	1	0	3	12	8	25.0	0.79	0.39	0.00	1.18	4.7	3.2	6.31	152:12	1:54	42.4
43	Cal Clutterbuck	2023-24	NYI	R	82	0	0	0	0	0	4	2	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	1.6	0.8	11.06	151:50	1:51	43.8
44	Erik Haula	2023-24	NJD	L	76	1	1	1	0	2	10	8	12.5	0.40	0.40	0.00	0.79	4.0	3.2	8.30	151:45	2:00	41.4
45	Brandon Duhaime	2023-24	MIN, COL	R	80	1	0	0	0	1	15	10	10.0	0.40	0.00	0.00	0.40	5.9	4.0	8.33	151:21	1:54	34.4
46	Tyler Motte	2023-24	TBL	C	69	2	0	0	0	2	18	15	13.3	0.80	0.00	0.00	0.80	7.2	6.0	5.58	150:36	2:11	44.5
47	Mikael Granlund	2023-24	SJS	C	69	0	1	0	1	1	6	4	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.40	0.40	2.4	1.6	9.64	149:20	2:10	44.1
48	Ryan O'Reilly	2023-24	NSH	C	82	0	0	0	0	0	7	4	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	2.8	1.6	6.43	149:19	1:49	36.5
49	Brett Leason	2023-24	ANA	R	68	2	0	0	0	2	15	7	28.5	0.81	0.00	0.00	0.81	6.1	2.8	10.49	148:44	2:11	34.1
50	Luke Kunin	2023-24	SJS	C	77	0	0	0	0	0	8	7	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	3.2	2.8	8.91	148:05	1:55	38.0
51	Robert Thomas	2023-24	STL	C	82	1	2	2	0	3	9	7	14.2	0.41	0.81	0.00	1.22	3.6	2.8	10.14	148:00	1:48	40.8
52	Anze Kopitar	2023-24	LAK	C	81	1	2	2	0	3	4	4	25.0	0.41	0.81	0.00	1.22	1.6	1.6	4.87	147:46	1:49	34.4
53	Trevor Lewis	2023-24	LAK	C	82	1	1	1	0	2	15	13	7.6	0.41	0.41	0.00	0.82	6.2	5.4	3.70	145:46	1:47	33.6
54	Brad Marchand	2023-24	BOS	L	82	3	1	1	0	4	17	13	23.0	1.24	0.41	0.00	1.65	7.0	5.4	5.35	145:44	1:47	32.9
55	Aleksander Barkov	2023-24	FLA	C	73	0	2	2	0	2	11	9	0.0	0.00	0.83	0.00	0.83	4.5	3.7	4.96	145:07	1:59	33.4
56	Nic Dowd	2023-24	WSH	C	64	0	0	0	0	0	8	6	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	3.3	2.5	9.52	145:00	2:16	50.0
57	Dawson Mercer	2023-24	NJD	C	82	0	0	0	0	0	13	8	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	5.4	3.3	7.08	144:06	1:45	36.4
58	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	2023-24	EDM	C	80	0	3	3	0	3	13	8	0.0	0.00	1.25	0.00	1.25	5.4	3.3	10.02	143:45	1:48	35.1
59	Teddy Blueger	2023-24	VAN	C	68	2	2	2	0	4	10	10	20.0	0.84	0.84	0.00	1.68	4.2	4.2	7.97	143:01	2:06	41.4
60	Sam Steel	2023-24	DAL	C	77	2	1	1	0	3	15	12	16.6	0.84	0.42	0.00	1.26	6.3	5.0	5.46	142:56	1:51	39.4
61	Mitch Marner	2023-24	TOR	R	69	1	0	0	0	1	15	10	10.0	0.42	0.00	0.00	0.42	6.3	4.2	8.84	142:31	2:04	44.7
62	Yakov Trenin	2023-24	NSH, COL	C	76	0	1	1	0	1	13	5	0.0	0.00	0.42	0.00	0.42	5.5	2.1	6.34	141:57	1:52	37.2
63	Phillip Danault	2023-24	LAK	C	78	0	2	2	0	2	13	9	0.0	0.00	0.85	0.00	0.85	5.6	3.8	7.69	140:25	1:48	34.2
64	Sebastian Aho	2023-24	CAR	C	78	1	1	1	0	2	23	14	7.1	0.43	0.43	0.00	0.87	10.0	6.1	5.21	138:09	1:46	33.8
65	Scott Laughton	2023-24	PHI	C	82	2	6	5	1	8	25	19	10.5	0.87	2.17	0.43	3.48	10.9	8.3	8.25	138:07	1:41	34.6
66	Alexandre Texier	2023-24	CBJ	C	78	2	0	0	0	2	10	7	28.5	0.87	0.00	0.00	0.87	4.4	3.0	8.71	137:44	1:46	37.8
67	Trevor Moore	2023-24	LAK	L	82	2	0	0	0	2	23	14	14.2	0.88	0.00	0.00	0.88	10.1	6.2	7.47	136:30	1:40	31.5
68	Ryan Poehling	2023-24	PHI	C	77	3	1	1	0	4	8	7	42.8	1.32	0.44	0.00	1.76	3.5	3.1	4.40	136:24	1:46	36.4
69	Pavel Buchnevich	2023-24	STL	L	80	2	1	1	0	3	16	9	22.2	0.88	0.44	0.00	1.32	7.1	4.0	7.49	136:10	1:42	38.4
70	Drew O'Connor	2023-24	PIT	L	79	1	1	1	0	2	12	10	10.0	0.44	0.44	0.00	0.89	5.3	4.4	6.20	135:33	1:43	35.7
71	Michael Rasmussen	2023-24	DET	C	75	1	3	3	0	4	11	7	14.2	0.45	1.35	0.00	1.80	5.0	3.2	5.41	133:11	1:47	36.7
72	William Karlsson	2023-24	VGK	C	70	1	1	0	1	2	15	10	10.0	0.45	0.00	0.45	0.91	6.8	4.5	7.72	132:08	1:53	42.4
73	Logan O'Connor	2023-24	COL	R	57	3	0	0	0	3	14	8	37.5	1.38	0.00	0.00	1.38	6.5	3.7	7.37	130:11	2:17	43.8
74	Adrian Kempe	2023-24	LAK	R	77	3	1	1	0	4	24	18	16.6	1.39	0.46	0.00	1.85	11.1	8.3	3.70	129:40	1:41	31.8
75	Vincent Trocheck	2023-24	NYR	C	82	1	0	0	0	1	11	6	16.6	0.46	0.00	0.00	0.46	5.1	2.8	5.09	129:36	1:35	33.2
76	Teuvo Teravainen	2023-24	CAR	C	76	1	3	3	0	4	11	6	16.6	0.46	1.39	0.00	1.85	5.1	2.8	5.56	129:34	1:42	31.9
77	Chris Kreider	2023-24	NYR	L	82	2	3	2	1	5	32	21	9.5	0.93	0.93	0.47	2.33	14.9	9.8	5.12	128:49	1:34	33.0
78	Tom Wilson	2023-24	WSH	R	74	2	0	0	0	2	11	6	33.3	0.93	0.00	0.00	0.93	5.1	2.8	6.07	128:35	1:44	35.3
79	Jake DeBrusk	2023-24	BOS	L	80	2	0	0	0	2	18	12	16.6	0.93	0.00	0.00	0.93	8.4	5.6	6.54	128:25	1:36	30.0
80	Casey Cizikas	2023-24	NYI	C	70	1	0	0	0	1	4	4	25.0	0.47	0.00	0.00	0.47	1.9	1.9	12.65	128:03	1:50	45.7
81	Mattias Janmark	2023-24	EDM	C	71	0	0	0	0	0	11	8	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	5.2	3.8	7.50	127:59	1:48	35.3
82	Pavel Zacha	2023-24	BOS	C	78	0	0	0	0	0	11	7	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	5.2	3.3	7.04	127:55	1:38	30.4
83	Mason Appleton	2023-24	WPG	C	82	1	1	1	0	2	9	7	14.2	0.47	0.47	0.00	0.94	4.2	3.3	7.52	127:39	1:33	33.8
84	Nico Sturm	2023-24	SJS	C	63	1	0	0	0	1	9	5	20.0	0.47	0.00	0.00	0.47	4.2	2.4	7.54	127:17	2:01	39.2
85	Mathieu Joseph	2023-24	OTT	R	72	1	1	1	0	2	20	14	7.1	0.47	0.47	0.00	0.94	9.4	6.6	10.39	127:06	1:46	38.8
86	Dylan Cozens	2023-24	BUF	C	79	3	0	0	0	3	23	14	21.4	1.43	0.00	0.00	1.43	11.0	6.7	9.06	125:52	1:36	33.6
87	Sean Kuraly	2023-24	CBJ	C	62	0	1	1	0	1	4	1	0.0	0.00	0.48	0.00	0.48	1.9	0.5	9.56	125:33	2:02	43.3
88	Noel Acciari	2023-24	PIT	C	55	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	1.9	1.4	7.66	125:18	2:17	47.6
89	Connor Brown	2023-24	EDM	R	71	0	0	0	0	0	21	10	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	10.1	4.8	6.73	124:53	1:46	33.2
90	Yegor Sharangovich	2023-24	CGY	C	82	3	4	3	1	7	19	13	23.0	1.45	1.45	0.48	3.39	9.2	6.3	6.30	123:53	1:31	31.8
91	Jack Eichel	2023-24	VGK	C	63	0	2	2	0	2	23	15	0.0	0.00	0.97	0.00	0.97	11.1	7.3	5.33	123:48	1:58	40.7
92	Alex Tuch	2023-24	BUF	R	75	1	0	0	0	1	23	15	6.6	0.49	0.00	0.00	0.49	11.4	7.4	6.43	121:22	1:37	33.8
93	Garnet Hathaway	2023-24	PHI	R	82	1	2	2	0	3	5	4	25.0	0.50	0.99	0.00	1.49	2.5	2.0	4.46	121:12	1:29	30.4
94	Chandler Stephenson	2023-24	VGK	C	75	2	1	0	1	3	8	7	28.5	1.01	0.00	0.50	1.51	4.0	3.5	8.56	119:09	1:35	35.9
95	Blake Coleman	2023-24	CGY	C	78	4	2	2	0	6	15	9	44.4	2.02	1.01	0.00	3.02	7.6	4.5	5.54	119:04	1:32	31.8
96	Travis Konecny	2023-24	PHI	R	76	6	1	0	1	7	32	24	25.0	3.03	0.00	0.50	3.53	16.1	12.1	9.08	118:54	1:34	32.6
97	Jared McCann	2023-24	SEA	L	80	2	0	0	0	2	29	20	10.0	1.01	0.00	0.00	1.01	14.7	10.1	8.12	118:14	1:29	33.0
98	Marcus Foligno	2023-24	MIN	L	55	0	1	1	0	1	4	4	0.0	0.00	0.51	0.00	0.51	2.1	2.1	8.75	116:37	2:07	38.3
99	Jack McBain	2023-24	ARI	C	67	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	0.0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	2.1	2.1	7.21	116:26	1:44	32.5
100	Jordan Martinook	2023-24	CAR	L	82	1	0	0	0	1	9	6	16.6	0.52	0.00	0.00	0.52	4.7	3.1	5.19	115:31	1:25	26.7

Here are the top 100 forwards ranked by PK time on ice (TOI) from last season. Elias Pettersson (EP) doesn’t appear until 106th, which means he's not a regular on the penalty kill. He splits second PK duties with J.T. Miller, averaging just 1:22 of PK time per game last year.

 

He’s typically behind players like Dakota Joshua and Teddy Blueger in terms of PK responsibilities. But guess who's stepping into those shoes this year? Maybe it’s too much for him to handle — I don’t know. That's probably why Rick Tocchet plans to manage his minutes more carefully.

 

As for the stats you provided: You can’t just drop a massive list of numbers and expect people to follow along. That's why I dismissed them. There was no explanation, just pages of stats without any context or highlighting to guide the reader.

 

Are PK minutes tougher than power play (PP) minutes? Probably. But there's no denying the amount of effort Connor McDavid puts into the PP, which in my opinion isn’t much easier than PK duties. He has to constantly retrieve and carry the puck up the ice. EP shares that responsibility with others but still takes on a lot of it.

 

I don’t think EP will ever reach true superstar status. He doesn’t have elite moves at full speed—his best work happens when he's at a dead stop, and that's fine. He’s still an elite player. Maybe he’ll get there defensively and become more like Aleksander Barkov, but I don’t ever see him hitting 150 points in a season.

 

[Guntrix]

It’s so much more telling when you use cold, hard numbers.

 

Pettersson is among the top-5 highest earners in the league, alongside Matthews, McKinnon, McDavid and Panarin, all of which are 2-3 times the player Petey is.

 

For the “yOu DoNt PaY HiM, tHe cAnUcKs dO” crowd, Petey currently takes up a large amount of our total cap hit (on an albatross 8-year contract), making cap management/flexibility to fix preexisting issues (such as D) close to impossible. This should matter to you because it impacts the team’s competitiveness and our probability of going far in the playoffs.
 

Unless Petey starts performing on the level of the 4 players above, this contract has the potential to spoil our current window. It’s a huge risk (and a potentially nasty stain) by the new management. 

Edited yesterday at 02:39 AM by Guntrix

[Keslers Ghost]

13 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Petey did not look good. There was an entire intermission segment breaking down just how awful and shy he is right now. 

Had to work so fast forwarded through the intermissions. I thought he showed a lot more tenacity and effort. oh well.

[stawns]

16 minutes ago, IBatch said:

For better or worse the team/franchise is married to EP.   Will this deal go the way Subban's did?  Or Parise?  It's hard to tell for sure.   He didn't quite take the 14% plus that superstars make but close enough.   And absolutely there should be some accountability.  At the same time we can give him some slack (for awhile anyways).    To put it in perspective, he's earning a crap ton more than Bure did, and Mogilny.   About what Naslund made (and he was a top player for a few years league wide),  and 2% more than the Sedins.    It's fair to critique. 

 

Accountability in what way?

[Dr. Crossbar]

Petey man bad!!!

[DeNiro]

20 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Accountability in what way?

I think a public flogging should suffice.

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

The illusion is thinking our struggles are permanent. 

 

Our spirit animal is a goldfish.

[Blue]

I just read that Petey might cost us our cup window

 

[wai_lai416]

looking at the scheulde for the next 7 games there's only 2 that we can say is a guaranteed win.. based on how we are playing atm.. it's not improbable we only have 2-3 wins in the first 10 games.. when do we start being concerned with this team? offensively it's really non existent dating back to prior to the all star game.. and we've been relying on unrealistic shooting %.. defensively we prolly gotten worse in the off season by a fair bit if u ask me.. are we just going to accept this is what we are? or at some point we are going to say this style of hockey we playing simply ain't working?? prior to the all star game we were on like a 120 point pace.. since the all star break we were on a 94 point pace.. and if u include this year we are on a sub 90 point pace... some will point and say well we won a round in playoff and took edmonton to 7 games with a backup backup goalie.. but i say we won more so because of suspect goaltending on the other team during the playoff and we once again shooting at improbably shooting %.. right now our powerplay continue to suck.. and we are no longer shooting at 15%.. we dont have demko right now to keep the goal to below 2 so how do we fix this team before we are out of it by november? i think it's unrealistic we can start the season close to edmonton last year and expect to go on a tear once demko is back.

[PeteyBOI]

12 minutes ago, Blue said:

I just read that Petey might cost us our cup window

 

Petey just signed a contract worth 13.18% of the cap, and I’m worried it could cost us our Cup window. There's a reason teams like Chicago, LA, and Minnesota struggled after giving their stars those huge deals. When you commit that much cap space to one player, it limits the team’s ability to maintain strong depth, which is essential for long-term success. If Petey’s deal ends up straining the cap, we could face the same problem. It’s a tough balance, because he’s an elite player, but that contract could make it harder to stay competitive in the future.