canuck73_3 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Miss Korea said: He'll be fine but Anaheim sure is playing a dangerous game trying to low-ball their youngsters Seems they're well on their way to burning a bridge with Drysdale. As for Zegras, kid is so underrated and underappreciated here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Seems they're well on their way to burning a bridge with Drysdale. As for Zegras, kid is so underrated and underappreciated here. Same as Subban was. People confuse confidence and a strong personality with arrogance and then wonder why interviews are boring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisD Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I thought he was going to get more but glad he didn't. He just seems like such a turd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 He'll have arbitration rights at the end I think, 1 year deal through arbitration then UFA. He'll have insane negotiation power. This might bite the ducks in the long run. But with Carlsson and McTavish. They might prefer trading Zegras anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Rubik said: care to explain? Well it looks like only 27% of him joined this forum. So he isn’t wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Seems they're well on their way to burning a bridge with Drysdale. As for Zegras, kid is so underrated and underappreciated here. People don't like his attitude and we've got a hunch as to what kind of backwards thing he said to Stetcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Miss Korea said: He'll be fine but Anaheim sure is playing a dangerous game trying to low-ball their youngsters He got more than Kuzmenko who’s a 39 goal scorer. How much were you thinking a 65 point player was going to get on a bridge deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Don't like the guy at all but that is a great number for his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He got more than Kuzmenko who’s a 39 goal scorer. How much were you thinking a 65 point player was going to get on a bridge deal? Kuz was a steal for us. As for Zeg I actually thought it would come in at a longer term and a higher number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Miss Korea said: He'll be fine but Anaheim sure is playing a dangerous game trying to low-ball their youngsters I find these J Fresh cards about as useful as +/-. A percentage does not tell much it's ok I suppose as an indicator. A guy who has 10 shots on goal and scores on 3 of them can have a better finishing % than a guy who scores 25 on 100 shots obviously the guy with 100 shots is creating significantly more opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Seems they're well on their way to burning a bridge with Drysdale. As for Zegras, kid is so underrated and underappreciated here. 3 hours ago, King Heffy said: Same as Subban was. People confuse confidence and a strong personality with arrogance and then wonder why interviews are boring. Every Canadian with personality gets hired by American networks. Juice is the exception because he is way too Canadian. Zegras has one glaring weakness - his temper gets him into a lot of trouble. Stupid untimely penalties that punish his team. He needs to mature there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: He got more than Kuzmenko who’s a 39 goal scorer. How much were you thinking a 65 point player was going to get on a bridge deal? I think they settled on a very reasonable deal but I'm sure some (if not all) of the rumours were true regarding Zegras and Drysdale. I also think the expectation of Zegras is that he improves much more than what Kuzmenko can do. I'd love to see Kuzy hit 50Gs but his finishing last year was insanely insanely high. Not sure if that is sustainable over multiple years. I've posted Kuzy's card before. It's magnificent. 1 hour ago, Hammertime said: I find these J Fresh cards about as useful as +/-. A percentage does not tell much it's ok I suppose as an indicator. A guy who has 10 shots on goal and scores on 3 of them can have a better finishing % than a guy who scores 25 on 100 shots obviously the guy with 100 shots is creating significantly more opportunities. The model can be a bit wonky for players who don't see much action but this is Zegras. I think it shows exactly the type of player he is - a super-creative passer who has a good shot of his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 seems about right.. his numbers are very comparable to boeser's rookie contract over 82 games.. those comparing him to EP rookie contract have no idea what they are talking about.. he'll probably out perform boeser on his bridge assuming he stays healthy but i think Anaheim got it right by not giving him the max term/money deal until he can prove he's a team player and not a self centered me first guy.. it doesn't really matter if he's a 100 point guy if he ends up like a -30 player.. that just means the other team scores way against them when they are on the ice.. so kinda negates all the points he scores 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: seems about right.. his numbers are very comparable to boeser's rookie contract over 82 games.. those comparing him to EP rookie contract have no idea what they are talking about.. he'll probably out perform boeser on his bridge assuming he stays healthy but i think Anaheim got it right by not giving him the max term/money deal until he can prove he's a team player and not a self centered me first guy.. it doesn't really matter if he's a 100 point guy if he ends up like a -30 player.. that just means the other team scores way against them when they are on the ice.. so kinda negates all the points he scores Zegras has zero defensive game, doesn’t kill penalties and isn’t an elite goal scorer. At least Boeser was pushing 30 goals. And Boeser’s PPG was also much higher than Zegras. As for Petey, Zegras isn’t even in the same galaxy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I hope that Miller or Pettersson put Zegras on his zegass this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Zegras has zero defensive game, doesn’t kill penalties and isn’t an elite goal scorer. At least Boeser was pushing 30 goals. And Boeser’s PPG was also much higher than Zegras. As for Petey, Zegras isn’t even in the same galaxy. It's a shame he's on such a horrible team and that he couldn't build on top of his rookie season. Every single Duck took a step or two back. Zegras really needs to think about becoming a playmaker winger like Panarin/Gaudreau. Anaheim has two top-six centres now. If Zegras follows Boeser's development path, that is not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: It's a shame he's on such a horrible team and that he couldn't build on top of his rookie season. Every single Duck took a step or two back. Zegras really needs to think about becoming a playmaker winger like Panarin/Gaudreau. Anaheim has two top-six centres now. If Zegras follows Boeser's development path, that is not good. I agree. They should move him to the wing and play him with Carlsson. Anaheim will have a deadly power play in a couple years. Mintyukov is the real deal. Carlsson, Zegras, Terry, McTavish and Mintyukov should be one of the better power plays in the league. Anaheim needs more talent though. These guys are young. They may need 3-4 more years at least to be a playoff team. They should trade Gibson for more picks and prospects. Gibson won’t be around by the time Anaheim is ready to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Wtf we paid Boeser more than that. To be fair first year Boeser is better. Ducks really hardnosed well here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Canuckle said: Bridge deal at a great price. Seeing a lot of comments in here hating on the guy? I'll never agree with that. Zegras is awesome. The Ducks have been utter dogshit so no surprise his stats haven't been great in certain areas and he might look like a disinterested asshole sometimes. Remind us of anyone??? cough cough JT. Still wish we'd been able to draft him at 10OA right before the damn Ducks snagged him. No knock on Podz, but we all know that's who the org wanted. And frankly so did I. And I would kill to have him in Vancouver rn. If we drafted him everyone hating him would be saying, he's young and he will eventually mature 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, iinatcc said: If we drafted him everyone hating him would be saying, he's young and he will eventually mature Ain't that the truth. Geez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Miss Korea said: He'll be fine but Anaheim sure is playing a dangerous game trying to low-ball their youngsters 650 guys saying that the Ducks were the worst defensively and as the number one centre, this guy was part to blame for that. These numbers you posted agree. Zegras plays like it’s 1985. Edited October 3, 2023 by Grandmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Drakrami said: Wtf we paid Boeser more than that. To be fair first year Boeser is better. Ducks really hardnosed well here. Also does not help Benning is the GM doing the Boeser negotiations. You always expect Benning will overpay by a factor of 1.5 x somehow in either Salary, Term, or combination of both Edited October 3, 2023 by iinatcc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) On 10/2/2023 at 11:10 AM, Miss Korea said: He'll be fine but Anaheim sure is playing a dangerous game trying to low-ball their youngsters The thing is Anaheim has this in their court; having arguably the most blue-chip high-upside prospects in the league. So much future talent at every position. So it's not like players like Drysdale and Zegras can say "Yeah but you NEED us. We're your future." Anaheim also now has two Top 3 Draft Pick Forwards in Carlsson and McTavish as well as 1st Round Pick Forwards in Gaucher, Perreault, Tracey. As well as having a 26 year old Terry now locked up for 7 years on top of trade-acquired skilled Forward prospects in N.Nesterenko and J.Caulfield. On Defense they have high-upside and consistently developing guys in Mintyukov and Zellweger. In net they have Dostal and also Clang from the Rakell Trade. Anaheim has drafted well, continues to draft well, is developing well, and therefore they know their place when dealing with the likes of Drysdale and Zegras. The only thing Drysdale and Zegras can say is they've carried a moderate amount of weight for the Ducks all while the Ducks have been literally the worst team in the NHL. But that is to be somewhat expected when you're a Top 10 Draft Pick and also entering the league on a rebuilding team. As much as Drysdale and Zegras and any other young players may want to say they deserve respect, they also need to be leaders and show the organization that they are not only quality players but also people. People who will be apart of the teams solution; be leaders, take some pay-cuts now and then maybe, take extra weight on the shoulders, put the team on your backs, rise above challenges and unfortunate situations. That is how the likes of Crosby, Stamkos, Toews, Doughty, Kopitar, Letang, etc, etc, etc have all won multiple Stanley Cups and have earned league-wide respect. And ALOT of respect at that. Edited October 3, 2023 by NMHockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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