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52 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

 

The Canucks would currently be an elite team had they kept Benning around.  Benning understood Horvat's value and never would have let him go.  Furthermore, Benning would have walked from Boeser and would have found a way to address our problems on RD.  Canucks would have made the 2nd round last year if Benning was still here.  Guys like Rutherford and Alvin created a very toxic and unstable environment during the 2022 off-season which lead to many players wondering about their futures here (and losing focus).   

 

James Benning wasn't fired, he was re-assigned to be president of the arts and aesthetics division.  He was last seen pasting macaroni on construction paper.

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26 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  People love to credit Gillis with the 2011 run but it was built almost entirely on the previous works of Dave Nonis and Brian Burke.

Agreed.  Sedins, Luongo, Kesler, Bieksa, Edler, Schneider, etc., were all products of Burke and Nonis.  Yes, Gillis brought in Erhoff, Torres, and Lapierre but a 6 year old could have pretty much done that. While people criticize Benning for his awful pro scouting (which is a fair point), many people often turn a blind eye towards Gillis' equally porous drafting.  If you want to know why the Canucks got swept by the Sharks in 2013 after having beaten them in five just two years earlier, look no further than Gillis. In 2013, the Sharks had some new blood in their line-up while the Canucks were completely stale.  In many respects, Mike Gillis was the most overrated GM in Canucks' history.  While he deserved a very small portion of the 2011 (almost) magic, the lions share of the praise should go towards Burke and Nonis.....and Messier. 😉  

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I can’t believe we drafted Bourdon instead of Kopitar. It was pretty obvious that due to his hobbies and passions that he would tragically pass away at a young age. Even if he lived, there was no way he would have been half the player Kopitar is. Kopitar is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer and Bourdon would have been a 3rd pairing defenceman at best.

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2 minutes ago, Snoop Hogg said:

I can’t believe we drafted Bourdon instead of Kopitar. It was pretty obvious that due to his hobbies and passions that he would tragically pass away at a young age. Even if he lived, there was no way he would have been half the player Kopitar is. Kopitar is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer and Bourdon would have been a 3rd pairing defenceman at best.

Yo.

 

There's a line, dude.

 

Delete this.

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1 hour ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

Eriksson was actually a solid player for us in many respects.  He won board battles and was very rarely out of position.  There's a reason why Green had him attached to the Horvat/Pearson line to shut down opponents.  That line was almost always on the ice during the last minute of the game.  Was Eriksson overpaid?  Absolutely.  Aside from that however, Eriksson was one of our most defensively responsible players and should have been a part of our 2020/2021 team.  

not to mention hes also swedish royalty

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4 hours ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

Mark Messier's time in Vancouver was grossly misunderstood.  Keep in mind that he didn't actually demand to be captain, but rather, the media had anointed him the captain.  To avoid what would likely become a major distraction, Linden handed the captaincy to Messier.  Messier was actually a good leader for us but McCaw and Quinn were the ones at fault for believing that 36 year old Messier was "the missing piece" for this core.  The core had become stale and had become a country club atmosphere that was living off the laurels of 1994.  The team needed to be gutted, not bring in Messier.  With regards to the Wayne Maki slight, that was on McCaw not Messier.  How was Messier supposed to know about Wayne Maki and his history?

 

All Messier did was point out what the media had been saying all throughout the 1996/1997 season.....the core needed to be gutted and there needed to be significant change.  Messier may not have won a cup in Vancouver but he was instrumental in helping a guy like Naslund take the next step (Naslund himself gives credit to Messier for this).   Bure loved playing with Messier as well.

 

And let's be honest - Tom Renney was an absolutely awful NHL coach at that time.  All Messier did was point out the obvious.  People also lambast Keenan for chewing out Linden when in reality, Linden's play was simply not up to par at that time. He was not the same guy that he was in 1994 and Keenan simply pointed out the truth.  Scratching beneath the surface of excitement, fans and core players in Vancouver were still likely salty that Messier had defeated the Canucks just three years earlier.  What if the Canucks had brought in Brad Marchand in 2014?  How would have people have reacted after going past the surface?   

 

In many respects, Mark Messier was probably the most underrated and under-appreciated Canuck of all-time.  

I agree that it wasn’t Messier choice to strip the captaincy away from Linden (he even admitted years later, that was his only regret in Vancouver), but when Keenan took over, he did everything possible to make Linden underachieve. Linden went from playing with Mogilny/Courtnall, scoring near a PPG, the previous season, to playing on the third line with Scott Walker and David Roberts.

 

While his scoring took a turn for the worst. I never got the perception that he was being lazy. I mean, you look at a guy like Messier, who you rarely saw him back-check during his time here or Mogilny (who got ripped by Keenan one game). They never got the same treatment that Linden got from Keenan. 

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8 hours ago, Canuckle said:

 

Perhaps you'd split between on and off-ice Canucks staff, but I would say that torch has been very much passed to the one, the only, James Elmer Benning.

 

Yep.

 

I said it.

 

Jim Benning was not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed!..........until the 2020 post bubble off-season.  😞

 

#TanevInsteadofSchmidt #ToffoliInsteadofHoltby #MarkstromInsteadOfDemko #DemkoFor1stRounder #1stAsSweetenerToMoveSutterAndVirtanen #SignCheapBackUp #TradePodkolzin&FirstForHampusLindholm

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