Hamas attacking Israel

[Canuck Surfer]

7 hours ago, Super19 said:

 

I think this move by Yemen puts more pressure on the US to reign Israel in and push for a ceasefire and diplomacy. 

 

Houthis are warlords, not an elected govt performing military actions against Israel.  This would be attacking commercial shipping in international waters. Innocent civilians.

 

What they are doing is driving up the price of Oil so Iran can make money. 

 

So that Iran will give them weapons to seize sovereign territory in Yemen.

 

 

 

If Jeffrey Epstein publicized he donated to Palestine; you'd donate a teenage daughter. Again, I suggest if you want peace or a home for Palestinians; you would be better served policing criminal actions by supporters. Not condoning it.  If you wish peace for innocent civilians in Gaza, pretend you wish peace for innocent civilians elsewhere. 

[Canuck Surfer]

 

[CBH1926]

It will be interesting to see what happens as the war continues.
Currently some 66k Israelis of military age, are exempt from serving in the IDF based on religious exemption.

Secular Israelis feel that everyone should share this burden

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/ultra-orthodox-conscription-threatens-israel-coalition-mime-intl/index.html

[Canuck Surfer]

 

[Canuck Surfer]

Raid on Al Shifa hospital.  According to Israel (?) they have leaders of the hospital captured on wire tap, radio tap in full conspiracy with Hamas.

 

Have taken their time, provided Israeli & International Doctors to be on hand as hospital staff arrested.

 

 

[Warhippy]

I don't give a shit who you support or how or why.

 

If you control all the ingress and egress points in a conflict and therefore any and all aid shipments entering the area and this is the situation.  You are in the wrong.  Don't @ me with that "if they'd stop shooting" bullshit because I aint having it.  Hamas may be half the issue, but this issue isn't specific to shooting so much as it is specific to supply and control

 

When children are starving and you refuse to allow food or aid in, or refuse to allow it in amounts to help alleviate the suffering you're part of the problem.

 

This is indefensible in my eyes.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ipc-gaza-famine-report-1.7146974

 

Famine is expected between now and May in the north of the Gaza Strip, a UN-backed report said on Monday, after more than five months of war that have shattered the Palestinian territory, killed thousands and cut off supplies.

Across the whole of the besieged enclave, the number of people facing "catastrophic hunger" has risen to 1.1 million, about half the population, the report by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) said.

"Famine is now projected and imminent in the North Gaza and Gaza Governorates and is expected to become manifest during the projection period from mid-March 2024 to May 2024," it said.

The assessment by the U.N.-backed initiative — a scale used by U.N. agencies, regional bodies and aid groups — comes amid global pressure on Israel to allow more humanitarian aid into the enclave of 2.3 million people.

Some 300,000 are cut off by fighting in the north.

 

 

Edited March 18 by Warhippy

[Canuck Surfer]

14 hours ago, Warhippy said:

 

If you control all the ingress and egress points in a conflict

 

This more true than not. An honest point; absolutely. Not infinite.

 

Hamas controls large volumes of the aid supplied as it arrives with armed militia. For years, approaching decades tunnels have been used both to smuggle, administer and monopolize all goods, aid included. Both sides have claimed the opponent is blocking humanitarian corridors. Without discussing both hiding among civilians, or using them as human shields. Fighters don't fight unless they are watered, fed and paid which is still happening. All before aid is distributed to starving kids. Its not that 'more' blame cannot be assigned Israel. Aid still has to pass through Hamas.

 

 

[Warhippy]

11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

This more true than not. An honest point; absolutely. Not infinite.

 

Hamas controls large volumes of the aid supplied as it arrives with armed militia. For years, approaching decades tunnels have been used both to smuggle, administer and monopolize all goods, aid included. Both sides have claimed the opponent is blocking humanitarian corridors. Without discussing both hiding among civilians, or using them as human shields. Fighters don't fight unless they are watered, fed and paid which is still happening. All before aid is distributed to starving kids. Its not that 'more' blame cannot be assigned Israel. Aid still has to pass through Hamas.

 

 

to my knowledge only, there is a significant if not majority portion of aid coming from the un and various organizations and as such not via hamas.

 

what happened before is not what is happening now.  

 

Again, indefensible to allow children to starve and shrug it off.

[Canuck Surfer]

44 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

to my knowledge only, there is a significant if not majority portion of aid coming from the un and various organizations and as such not via hamas.

 

what happened before is not what is happening now.  

 

Again, indefensible to allow children to starve and shrug it off.

 

The aid is not 'coming' or organized via Hamas.

 

Its a war zone; one of the reasons there are rushes for the trucks & supplies is that there are armed gangs who control the zones where it is organized to arrive. As they did pre Oct 7. It does not get distributed as planned because those in reception zones have to be 'connected' & it is effectively seized. The initial UNRWA checkpoints & contacts, even as facilities are gone, are still corrupt & complicit. Considering the plight, it does not mean its currently not the best avenue? These issues are still internal crime, as aid is portioned not according to need. Yet there is no reliable replacement immediately available, so the corruption is rewarded by necessity. Its also hardly unique in a war zone.

 

Yes it is the responsibility of a civilized nation, certainly a crime (negligent homicide?) for those who stop shipments by protesting. To allow processes which feed the refugee's. Again, your point is completely valid,  there is just another layer to the problem. 

 

I applaud the concept of an emergency port being established as we speak.  Which will have controlled distribution. Some of the issues can be bypassed. 

[Taxi]

21 hours ago, Warhippy said:

to my knowledge only, there is a significant if not majority portion of aid coming from the un and various organizations and as such not via hamas.

 

what happened before is not what is happening now.  

 

Again, indefensible to allow children to starve and shrug it off.

 

The actual issue isn't Israel stopping aid. It's armed gangs attacking the aid trucks and confiscating the aid for resale on the black market. The aid organizations are blaming Israel for taking out the police force (which was a branch of Hamas). It's basically stating that Israel is responsible for Hamas attacking the aid trucks, because they took out a different branch of Hamas that was responsible for keeping other Hamas members away from the aid trucks?

 

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After a string of Israeli attacks on members of Gaza’s Hamas-run civilian police force, officers withdrew earlier this month from the Palestinian side of the Kerem Shalom crossing with Israel. Since they left, trucks have been attacked in the crossing’s holding area, according to U.N. humanitarian coordinator James McGoldrick. Drivers have been shot at, attacked with axes and box cutters, and had their windows smashed, he said.

Humanitarian officials said police have also stopped serving as security guards for aid convoys, paralyzing deliveries in the enclave, where some hungry families have resorted to eating weeds and animal feed and profiteers are selling stolen food at astronomical rates on the black market.

Gaza’s desperate hunger: Families struggle to fend off starvation

“With the departure of police escorts it has been virtually impossible for the U.N. or anyone else ... to safely move assistance in Gaza because of criminal gangs,” U.S. Ambassador David Satterfield, appointed by President Biden to coordinate humanitarian aid to Gaza, said Friday.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/22/gaza-aid-deliveries-looting-police-hamas/

 

Meanwhile, Hamas has also been putting pressure on local clan leaders not to take any aid that passes from Israel:

 

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A Hamas-affiliated website, Al-Majd, warned that the group would strike with an "iron fist" anyone who attempted to work with Israel, saying communicating with Israel in its plans to work with local clans and mukhtars will not be tolerated.

 

https://www.wbur.org/npr/1239396713/gaza-famine-hunger-food-aid-israel-hamas-war

[Canuck Surfer]

^^

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/un-says-israeli-restrictions-on-gaza-food-aid-may-constitute-a-war-crime/ar-BB1kabvt?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=eebe2acc7e024d569b8533d92ddf8de7&ei=84

 

Israeli restrictions on the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza may amount to the war crime of deliberate starvation, the UN has said, as the White House called for unimpeded access for aid to the coastal strip.

 

Amid mounting and catastrophic hunger in parts of Gaza, and official UN figures for hunger levels which are the worst seen under the current classification system, the Biden administration added it was “deeply concerned” following a report about potential famine.

 

The UN high commissioner for human rights, Volker Turk, said Israeli restrictions on the entry of aid may amount to “starvation as a method of war”.

 

His comments follow the UN secretary general on Monday describing the food shortages as “entirely man-made” and an Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) report, the international standard for measuring food crises, warning of imminent famine in the territory’s north.

 

Related: ‘Catastrophic levels of hunger’ in Gaza mean famine is imminent, says aid coalition

 

“The extent of Israel’s continued restrictions on entry of aid into Gaza, together with the manner in which it continues to conduct hostilities, may amount to the use of starvation as a method of war, which is a war crime,” Turk said.

 

While aid agencies blame Israel for blockading Gaza, the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government says it is facilitating aid and the UN and relief groups are at fault for any issues over the quantity and pace of delivery.

 

“Israel, as the occupying power, has the obligation to ensure the provision of food and medical care to the population commensurate with their needs and to facilitate the work of humanitarian organisations to deliver that assistance,” Turk said via spokesperson Jeremy Laurence, describing the crisis as “human-made” and preventable.

 

“Everyone, especially those with influence, must insist that Israel acts to facilitate the unimpeded entry and distribution of needed humanitarian assistance and commercial goods to end starvation and avert all risk of famine.”

 

The issue of the flow of aid into Gaza has become a key point of friction between the Biden administration and Netanyahu, seeing the US and other countries both airdrop aid into Gaza and work to open a sea route from Cyprus.

 

Officials and experts say, however, that land routes into Gaza, controlled by Israel, remain the most effective way of delivering aid to Palestinians who have been trapped by months of devastating conflict.

 

Echoing the UN, Oxfam America and Human Rights Watch sent a memorandum detailing alleged Israeli breaches of international humanitarian law – including the obstruction of aid – to the Biden administration, calling for the suspension of US arms supplies to Israel.

 

Written in reply to the Biden administration’s new National Security policy document (NSM-20) requiring recipients of US weapons to act in compliance with international law, the two groups said said Israel’s “assurances” of acting under international law “are not credible”.

 

Accusing Israel of “systematically prevent[ing] aid” from reaching “the roughly 300,000 Palestinians who remain in northern Gaza, where the threat of starvation is most acute”.

 

The memorandum added that in the first six weeks of this year, “over half of the planned humanitarian aid missions to northern Gaza were obstructed by Israeli authorities”.

 

Charging Israel with a deliberate policy of starvation, the documents adds: “International humanitarian law prohibits parties to a conflict from deliberately causing ‘the population to suffer hunger, particularly by depriving it of its sources of food or of supplies’.”

 

The UN secretary general, António Guterres, called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to allow the entry of aid into Gaza.

 

“Palestinians in Gaza are enduring horrifying levels of hunger and suffering,” Guterres said in New York on Monday, describing the IPC report as an “appalling indictment of conditions on the ground for civilians”.

 

Highly technical and often cautious, IPC classification reports are regarded as the international standard for measuring food security crises. The latest IPC report also represents hard evidence of the impact of Israeli policies on the flow of aid into Gaza.

 

“This is the highest number of people facing catastrophic hunger ever recorded by the Integrated Food Security Classification system – anywhere, anytime,” Guterres added.

 

“This is an entirely man-made disaster, and the report makes clear that it can be halted,” he warned, saying this showed the need for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire.

 

“I call on the Israeli authorities to ensure complete and unfettered access for humanitarian goods throughout Gaza and for the international community to fully support our humanitarian efforts.”

 

Related: UN staff in West Bank accuse Israeli authorities of campaign of harassment

 

Israel on Monday asked the international court of justice not to issue emergency orders for it to step up humanitarian aid to Gaza to address a looming famine, dismissing South Africa’s request to do so as “morally repugnant”.

 

In recent days warnings from global officials over the risk of famine in Gaza have escalated, with the head of USAid, Samantha Power, the latest to voice her concern.

 

She said famine is imminent in Gaza, describing the IPC report as “horrific milestone” after just two previous famine declarations in the 21st century.

 

“We call on Israel to take immediate action to put an end to this mass – and preventable – suffering,” she said.

 

“Israel must do more to protect civilians and allow humanitarians to safely and consistently deliver assistance,” Power continued, calling for continued and sustained international efforts. She further called for increased safety and access for humanitarian agencies and international donors to scale lifesaving activities.

 

“We continue to call on Israel to open more land routes into Gaza and reduce bottlenecks and inspection delays to get land crossings operating at full capacity, even as we pursue air and maritime operations to supplement those land routes,” Power added.

[Canuck Surfer]

Muslim issues are not exclusive to the ME or Europe; Is this progressive, reverse discrimination or actual Apartheid? Going the way of the Netherlands???

 

*  CS Note / Editorial; this is a policy embracing refugee's from violence in neighboring Islamic countries. On it's own a good thing; but limiting it so it does not include Muslim's?  Speaking from what could be described as Islamophobia, there are plenty of surrounding nations that isolate majority ruling Muslim majorities to the detriment of religious minorities; see Iran, Afghanistan.  Separate Muslims, all sects / religions seem to fight each other in Pakistan which is democratic. In Syria which is not. All the Stans have sectarian problems. Yet there 10's of thousands of Muslim deaths this year to religious persecution even in India's East, nations like Myanmar & Bangladesh. Mass persecution in places like China of Uyghurs. 

 

Modi an overall supporter of Israel in a macro lens? Is this Islamophobia? Or a reaction to rising public support, initiative for militant groups, like Hamas, Houthis???

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/india-starts-applying-controversial-anti-muslim-laws/ss-BB1kcZad?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e17785414c6f47acb2a236fa0a40f4a5&ei=30#image=12

 

India starts applying controversial ‘anti-Muslim’ laws

 

[Canuck Surfer]

7 hours ago, Taxi said:

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A Hamas-affiliated website, Al-Majd, warned that the group would strike with an "iron fist" anyone who attempted to work with Israel, saying communicating with Israel in its plans to work with local clans and mukhtars will not be tolerated.

 

 

As with all criminal organizations? These grass roots initiatives to seize and use all trade as a black market source of payola are the real underlying issue in Gaza.

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Just like Israel should be policing Settler violence, land theft, rallies & excessive repression.  Palestinians should be policing those who steal food. Launch missiles, take hostages.  Its a near impossible predicament. 

[Canuck Surfer]

Ismail Haniyeh himself?

 

 

Nobody embedded in UNRWA, propagation of violent ideology to generations of children hmmm...

[Boudrias]

3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

^^

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/un-says-israeli-restrictions-on-gaza-food-aid-may-constitute-a-war-crime/ar-BB1kabvt?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=eebe2acc7e024d569b8533d92ddf8de7&ei=84

 

Israeli restrictions on the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza may amount to the war crime of deliberate starvation, the UN has said, as the White House called for unimpeded access for aid to the coastal strip.

 

Amid mounting and catastrophic hunger in parts of Gaza, and official UN figures for hunger levels which are the worst seen under the current classification system, the Biden administration added it was “deeply concerned” following a report about potential famine.

 

The UN high commissioner for human rights, Volker Turk, said Israeli restrictions on the entry of aid may amount to “starvation as a method of war”.

 

His comments follow the UN secretary general on Monday describing the food shortages as “entirely man-made” and an Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) report, the international standard for measuring food crises, warning of imminent famine in the territory’s north.

 

Related: ‘Catastrophic levels of hunger’ in Gaza mean famine is imminent, says aid coalition

 

“The extent of Israel’s continued restrictions on entry of aid into Gaza, together with the manner in which it continues to conduct hostilities, may amount to the use of starvation as a method of war, which is a war crime,” Turk said.

 

While aid agencies blame Israel for blockading Gaza, the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government says it is facilitating aid and the UN and relief groups are at fault for any issues over the quantity and pace of delivery.

 

“Israel, as the occupying power, has the obligation to ensure the provision of food and medical care to the population commensurate with their needs and to facilitate the work of humanitarian organisations to deliver that assistance,” Turk said via spokesperson Jeremy Laurence, describing the crisis as “human-made” and preventable.

 

“Everyone, especially those with influence, must insist that Israel acts to facilitate the unimpeded entry and distribution of needed humanitarian assistance and commercial goods to end starvation and avert all risk of famine.”

 

The issue of the flow of aid into Gaza has become a key point of friction between the Biden administration and Netanyahu, seeing the US and other countries both airdrop aid into Gaza and work to open a sea route from Cyprus.

 

Officials and experts say, however, that land routes into Gaza, controlled by Israel, remain the most effective way of delivering aid to Palestinians who have been trapped by months of devastating conflict.

 

Echoing the UN, Oxfam America and Human Rights Watch sent a memorandum detailing alleged Israeli breaches of international humanitarian law – including the obstruction of aid – to the Biden administration, calling for the suspension of US arms supplies to Israel.

 

Written in reply to the Biden administration’s new National Security policy document (NSM-20) requiring recipients of US weapons to act in compliance with international law, the two groups said said Israel’s “assurances” of acting under international law “are not credible”.

 

Accusing Israel of “systematically prevent[ing] aid” from reaching “the roughly 300,000 Palestinians who remain in northern Gaza, where the threat of starvation is most acute”.

 

The memorandum added that in the first six weeks of this year, “over half of the planned humanitarian aid missions to northern Gaza were obstructed by Israeli authorities”.

 

Charging Israel with a deliberate policy of starvation, the documents adds: “International humanitarian law prohibits parties to a conflict from deliberately causing ‘the population to suffer hunger, particularly by depriving it of its sources of food or of supplies’.”

 

The UN secretary general, António Guterres, called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to allow the entry of aid into Gaza.

 

“Palestinians in Gaza are enduring horrifying levels of hunger and suffering,” Guterres said in New York on Monday, describing the IPC report as an “appalling indictment of conditions on the ground for civilians”.

 

Highly technical and often cautious, IPC classification reports are regarded as the international standard for measuring food security crises. The latest IPC report also represents hard evidence of the impact of Israeli policies on the flow of aid into Gaza.

 

“This is the highest number of people facing catastrophic hunger ever recorded by the Integrated Food Security Classification system – anywhere, anytime,” Guterres added.

 

“This is an entirely man-made disaster, and the report makes clear that it can be halted,” he warned, saying this showed the need for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire.

 

“I call on the Israeli authorities to ensure complete and unfettered access for humanitarian goods throughout Gaza and for the international community to fully support our humanitarian efforts.”

 

Related: UN staff in West Bank accuse Israeli authorities of campaign of harassment

 

Israel on Monday asked the international court of justice not to issue emergency orders for it to step up humanitarian aid to Gaza to address a looming famine, dismissing South Africa’s request to do so as “morally repugnant”.

 

In recent days warnings from global officials over the risk of famine in Gaza have escalated, with the head of USAid, Samantha Power, the latest to voice her concern.

 

She said famine is imminent in Gaza, describing the IPC report as “horrific milestone” after just two previous famine declarations in the 21st century.

 

“We call on Israel to take immediate action to put an end to this mass – and preventable – suffering,” she said.

 

“Israel must do more to protect civilians and allow humanitarians to safely and consistently deliver assistance,” Power continued, calling for continued and sustained international efforts. She further called for increased safety and access for humanitarian agencies and international donors to scale lifesaving activities.

 

“We continue to call on Israel to open more land routes into Gaza and reduce bottlenecks and inspection delays to get land crossings operating at full capacity, even as we pursue air and maritime operations to supplement those land routes,” Power added.

There would be no starving Palestinians if Hamas threw their guns down and surrendered.They have not. The IDF has to carry out actions that protect their troops whether Hamas is hiding among civilians or not. 

[Odd.]

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Edited March 21 by Odd.

[Super19]

Contrary to most sentiments ITT, the pressure is mounting against this Zionist Israeli regime because of how criminal it is. Israel is commiting the worst of crimes. Israel is an apartheid state, guilty of plausible genocide in an ongoing case. Responsible for a catastrophic famine, all due to Israel's man made evil intentions. Israel has killed tens of thousands of women and children, at an unprecedented rate in modern warfare. The IDF are not the most moral army in the world, they are a bunch of scumbags.

This Zionist Israeli regime does not want to live in peace with their Palestinian brothers and sisters, they want to eradicate Palestine and have their terrorists take over Gaza.

 

 

 

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Super19 said:

Contrary to most sentiments ITT, the pressure is mounting against this Zionist Israeli regime because of how criminal it is. Israel is commiting the worst of crimes. Israel is an apartheid state, guilty of plausible genocide in an ongoing case. Responsible for a catastrophic famine, all due to Israel's man made evil intentions. Israel has killed tens of thousands of women and children, at an unprecedented rate in modern warfare. The IDF are not the most moral army in the world, they are a bunch of scumbags.

This Zionist Israeli regime does not want to live in peace with their Palestinian brothers and sisters, they want to eradicate Palestine and have their terrorists take over Gaza.

 

 

 

 

Hamas started this October 7. They can end it by laying down their arms. 

[Super19]

12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Hamas started this October 7. They can end it by laying down their arms. 

It doesn't excuse Israeli crimes. 

 

Free Palestine.

[King Heffy]

42 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Contrary to most sentiments ITT, the pressure is mounting against this Zionist Israeli regime because of how criminal it is. Israel is commiting the worst of crimes. Israel is an apartheid state, guilty of plausible genocide in an ongoing case. Responsible for a catastrophic famine, all due to Israel's man made evil intentions. Israel has killed tens of thousands of women and children, at an unprecedented rate in modern warfare. The IDF are not the most moral army in the world, they are a bunch of scumbags.

This Zionist Israeli regime does not want to live in peace with their Palestinian brothers and sisters, they want to eradicate Palestine and have their terrorists take over Gaza.

 

 

 

 

You're relying on an American traitor who is voluntarily living in a Nazi dictatorship as a source.

[Super19]

6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

You're relying on an American traitor who is voluntarily living in a Nazi dictatorship as a source.

Vs believing the IDF who need no introduction as being scumbags, fighting for Nentanyahu, who needs no introduction as being the worst.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Super19 said:

Contrary to most sentiments ITT, the pressure is mounting against this Zionist Israeli regime because of how criminal it is. Israel is commiting the worst of crimes. Israel is an apartheid state, guilty of plausible genocide in an ongoing case. Responsible for a catastrophic famine, all due to Israel's man made evil intentions. Israel has killed tens of thousands of women and children, at an unprecedented rate in modern warfare. The IDF are not the most moral army in the world, they are a bunch of scumbags.

This Zionist Israeli regime does not want to live in peace with their Palestinian brothers and sisters, they want to eradicate Palestine and have their terrorists take over Gaza.

 

 

 

 

 

Is there any proof that those 4 “civilians” were not actual Hamas terrorists, or are we just going to take Edward Snowden’s word for it?

[Super19]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Is there any proof that those 4 “civilians” were not actual Hamas terrorists, or are we just going to take Edward Snowden’s word for it?

The IDF kills women and children and starves them intentionally to pursue their military goals. They also raid hospitals, taking staff as prisoners. They also destroy civillian infrastructure. 

 

And all the IDF has to say is "khamas" and somehow you think it's justified.

[Elias Pettersson]

26 minutes ago, Super19 said:

The IDF kills women and children and starves them intentionally to pursue their military goals. They also raid hospitals, taking staff as prisoners. They also destroy civillian infrastructure. 

 

And all the IDF has to say is "khamas" and somehow you think it's justified.

 

So basically there is no proof.  That’s what I figured.  As for the IDF raiding hospitals, are you referring to the same hospitals that Hamas use as terror bases?  You know, where they keep their bombs and ammunitions and use civilians as human shields? 

Edited March 22 by Elias Pettersson

[Canuck Surfer]