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7 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

And as it is a belief people have a right to call it bullshit. 

 

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:


Sure. And I have a right to call your atheist belief bullshit too. 

I agree with both of you on this one. 

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4 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

 

I dont know how more people dont call themselves agnostic.

 

There is just no evidence to support if there is, or if there isn't. It must be a maybe.

This is sliding into the God thread territory, but a simple retort from me: So there very well might be a teacup spinning at the center of the universe, as Richard Dawkins theorizes in one of his books. There is no evidence to support the spinning teacup theory but there isn't any evidence against it either. it must be a maybe. (tongue in cheek of course: the number of things that might exist using this methodology you mention is infinite if one can't slice out the highly improbable aspect of something's existence. Zeus and Zoroaster among them)

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1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said:

This is sliding into the God thread territory, but a simple retort from me: So there very well might be a teacup spinning at the center of the universe, as Richard Dawkins theorizes in one of his books. There is no evidence to support the spinning teacup theory but there isn't any evidence against it either. it must be a maybe. (tongue in cheek of course: the number of things that might exist using this methodology you mention is infinite if one can't slice out the highly improbable aspect of something's existence. Zeus and Zoroaster among them)

 

Didnt they even corner Einstein this way? A relgious non-believer had to admit he was agnostic.  

Then you get into the debate about intellignet design vs/or 'G'od.

And yes, I believe our consciousness is infinite ...😉

 

Anyway, wrong thread. I'll leave it. 

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2 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

 

Absolutely dead on. Bastardization of religion for power is as old as war.

 

Yet peace comes when you get the masses to separate their beliefs from any control freaks. Do we have to convince them religion is not real? 

 

Or just respect their space.   

 

I don't want to convince them of anything, other than to leave others alone to live in peace.

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7 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

All i can say is that my life is pretty plain...

 

Some fans in Vancouver wished the original singer of this song liked to make it 'rain', a little less...

 

https://www.straight.com/blogra/526086/20-years-ago-shannon-hoon-blind-melon-pees-stage-vancouver

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Oh Good grief.

 

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For those sensitive souls on this board with virgin ears, there is a movie clip at the end that uses the word "b*tch".  If you're offended easily, or are concerned that your ears will bleed, do not click on the video.

 

NSFW

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

Oh Good grief.

 

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For those sensitive souls on this board with virgin ears, there is a movie clip at the end that uses the word "b*tch".  If you're offended easily, or are concerned that your ears will bleed, do not click on the video.

 

NSFW

 

 

 

Funny for sure. But also sad that these two young women have no idea what Hamas people would do to them if given opportunity. 

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31 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Some fans in Vancouver wished the original singer of this song liked to make it 'rain', a little less...

 

https://www.straight.com/blogra/526086/20-years-ago-shannon-hoon-blind-melon-pees-stage-vancouver

my wife and sister in law were at that show with their dad and a friend he employed in his fish and chips shop. THey claim they were not in the splash zone. hahaha

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14 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Funny for sure. But also sad that these two young women have no idea what Hamas people would do to them if given opportunity. 

 

Are you under the impression that they're gay?  If they are, then yes, they'd be killed. 

 

If they aren't, they'd be made to wear a hijab immediately, convert, and most definitely not get anywhere near a school again unless they were walking to pick up their future son(s) in one.

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1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said:

my wife and sister in law were at that show with their dad and a friend he employed in his fish and chips shop. THey claim they were not in the splash zone. hahaha

I was working down the street. Heard about it that night. I would have gone but man, I would have considered homicide on a hippy singer if I was in said splash zone!

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5 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I was working down the street. Heard about it that night. I would have gone but man, I would have considered homicide on a hippy singer if I was in said splash zone!

 

You beat me to it. 

 

I would have been hauled off to jail for assault and battery after they peeled me off of the dude. 

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3 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

 

The bolded is the platinum rule.

 

I learned about it from a high-end HR exec, we poached her from Disney when she was in Van setting up a tech division for them. 

I struggled with the Platinum rule as I thought that the Golden rule covered it. Respect. 

 

But it did make me think...

 

IF in my house I dont mind that people wear their shoes then should I be able to wear my shoes in thiers, right? even if they dont like it? I mean, I am treating them the way that I expect to be treated... 

It's silly though, because my example is absent of 'respect' which is really what we mean when we say 'golden rule'. To respect each other.  But, maybe it gives a thought to the idea that we can all have some ignorance. Even if we dont understand, and even if it would be ok for us, maybe its not ok for 'them'.

 

Anyway, just popped into my head and not a comment on the discussion you were having. Hope you are well, man. Love readin your contributions. 

 

Yes I totally understand respect for someone else's traditions or way of life. 

Again, fucking with others covers the Platinum rule. 

 

In the example you gave, taking off your shoes in their house is showing you respect them.

You are not hurting any one by doing this. 

 

I have sort of changed the wording of my golden rule over the years. 

 

It's simple.

Don't fuck with others. 

 

Others will fuck with you, thats inevitable. 

 

However all we can truly take to the grave with us is being true to ourselves. 

 

My experience is the hardest things to do in life, are the most important and rewarding.

Even if they don't feel like that at the time. 

 

Cheers brother. 

 

Wish there were more people like you in this world, and on this board. 

 

Hope you have settled into your new job.

I saw you had an issue. 

@Gurn voiced my feelings on that.

I hope it all turned OK.

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6 hours ago, HarbularyBattery said:

 

 

 

ill always cheer when people remind that we're all human beings, basically wired the same way internally, and we all basically want the same things (food, water, smiles and laughter, safety for ourselves and loved ones)

 

This is what I do both in life and on this board.  

 

And I have lost track of the amount of times I have stated this, in this thread.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

Are you under the impression that they're gay?  If they are, then yes, they'd be killed. 

 

If they aren't, they'd be made to wear a hijab immediately, convert, and most definitely not get anywhere near a school again unless they were walking to pick up their future son(s) in one.

 

If you under the impression that you would be killed if you are gay in Gaza, then you be wrong. 

 

 

https://www.humandignitytrust.org./country-profile/palestine/

 

" Same sexual activity is prohibited in Gaza under the British mandate Criminal Code Ordinance  1936.  The relevant provision carries a maximum penalty of ten years' imprisonment. Only men are criminalised under this law. 

 

The law was inherited from the British. It continues to be in operation in Gaza today though it is not in force elsewhere in Palestine. 

 

There is little evidence of the law being enforced, and it appears to be largely obsolete in practice. However an incident in 2017 saw an author being threatened with prosecution for writing a novel which included LGBT themes. There do not appear to be any other reports of  enforcement of the criminalising law or other laws. Nevertheless, the mere existence of this provision is itself a violation of human rights and underpins further acts of discrimination. " 

 

Source for that article

Human Dignity Trust

 

https://www.fatbeehive.com/case-study/human-dignity-trust/

 

It's an British based NGO that works with LGBT activists globally, assisting them to use the law to defend their rights. 

 

 

Now for women being able to access a tertiary education.

While this is still hard, both at a cultural and economic level, some still find a way.

And there is even a scholarship program available. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/women-gaza-education-university-b2311778.html

 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

If you under the impression that you would be killed if you are gay in Gaza, then you be wrong. 

 

 

https://www.humandignitytrust.org./country-profile/palestine/

 

" Same sexual activity is prohibited in Gaza under the British mandate Criminal Code Ordinance  1936.  The relevant provision carries a maximum penalty of ten years' imprisonment. Only men are criminalised under this law. 

 

The law was inherited from the British. It continues to be in operation in Gaza today though it is not in force elsewhere in Palestine. 

 

There is little evidence of the law being enforced, and it appears to be largely obsolete in practice. However an incident in 2017 saw an author being threatened with prosecution for writing a novel which included LGBT themes. There do not appear to be any other reports of  enforcement of the criminalising law or other laws. Nevertheless, the mere existence of this provision is itself a violation of human rights and underpins further acts of discrimination. " 

 

Source for that article

Human Dignity Trust

 

https://www.fatbeehive.com/case-study/human-dignity-trust/

 

It's an British based NGO that works with LGBT activists globally, assisting them to use the law to defend their rights. 

 

 

Now for women being able to access a tertiary education.

While this is still hard, both at a cultural and economic level, some still find a way.

And there is even a scholarship program available. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/women-gaza-education-university-b2311778.html

 

 

 

 

 

I'm calling bullshit on this, you know damn well the fundamentalists would eliminate all gay people given the chance.

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1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

I'm calling bullshit on this, you know damn well the fundamentalists would eliminate all gay people given the chance.

 

Why do people continually deny evidence that is provided to them.  

 

I will take the evidence provided by an organisation that works with, and supports LGBT people across the world, over someone's opinion.

 

An organisation that has actually investigated what is happening in Gaza in relation to LGBT people. 

 

They, Hamas', has had the chance for the last 20 years to, as you put it, " eliminate them "

 

Provide some facts/evidence Jim for your assertion.

 

 

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The words of a Palestinian gay man from Gaza 

 @Bob Long 

 

" LGBT life is arduous and dangerous. I would know. I grew up there. However only  blaming Palestine's conversatism and Hamas white washing Isreal siege and military assaults, is dishonest and exploitative. " 

 

" The fact of the matter is that Jamil's clandestine gay life is a familiar experience nearly everywhere in the world, from rural American towns, to conservative Israeli cities and illegal settlements in the West Bank. Palestine is no exception.  

 

Speaking of those American towns 

 

" Texas pastor says gay people should be 'shot in the back of the head' in achieving sermon. "

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/texas-pastor-says-gay-people-shot-back-head-shocking-sermon-rcna32748

 

And then there is this Guy, a minister in Netanyahu's government. 

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/coalition-mk-lgbtq-community-poses-greater-threat-to-israel-than-hezbollah-or-hamas/

 

" In my world view the most dangerous thing to the state of Israel - more than the Islamic state, more than Hezbollah, more than Hamas - is the permissiveness regarding arayot, because that's what the Torah says, Pindrus says, using a term used for sexual relationships and practice's that are forbidden by the bible and by Jewish law, including intercourse between men among many other examples not related to LGBTQ people. "

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ilunga said:

 

Why do people continually deny evidence that is provided to them.  

 

I will take the evidence provided by an organisation that works with, and supports LGBT people across the world, over someone's opinion.

 

An organisation that has actually investigated what is happening in Gaza in relation to LGBT people. 

 

They, Hamas', has had the chance for the last 20 years to, as you put it, " eliminate them "

 

Provide some facts/evidence Jim for your assertion.

 

 

 

This is why I doubt your posts from time to time, you really believe islamic fundamentalists are pro gay. 

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Just now, Bob Long said:

 

This is why I doubt your posts from time to time, you really believe islamic fundamentalists are pro gay. 

 

Where the fuck did I say they are pro gay ?

 

Did you read my post that detailed a gay  Palestinian man from Gaza stated 

" LGBT life is arduous and dangerous ".

 

As he then went on to say, as it is in many parts of the world.

 

I then provided evidence of fundamentalists in America and Isreal that share the same views as, some Muslims fundamentalists. 

 

 

 

I present facts, with links to evidence to back up claims. 

 

You are welcome to doubt what you want, that's your privilege. 

 

You made an assertion.

 

Can you provide facts/evidence to back up that assertion ?

 

In some countries Muslim Imams themselves are coming out as gay 

 

Here in Aus 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-09/gay-imam-hopes-to-open-australias-first-lgbti-friendly-mosque/9310952

 

In France 

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/06/gay-imam-islam-paris-france-mosque/

 

In the US 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/meet-daayiee-abdullah-america-s-gay-imam-1.3109051

 

 

 

In Toronto 

A mosque that welcomes gay people.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/affirming-mosques-help-gay-muslims-reconcile-faith-sexuality-n988151

 

As I have already illustrated there are fundamentalists in Judaism, Islam and Christianity that condemn LGBT people.

 

It isn't only limited to Islamist fundamentalists.

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3 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

If you under the impression that you would be killed if you are gay in Gaza, then you be wrong. 

 

 

https://www.humandignitytrust.org./country-profile/palestine/

 

" Same sexual activity is prohibited in Gaza under the British mandate Criminal Code Ordinance  1936.  The relevant provision carries a maximum penalty of ten years' imprisonment. Only men are criminalised under this law. 

 

The law was inherited from the British. It continues to be in operation in Gaza today though it is not in force elsewhere in Palestine. 

 

There is little evidence of the law being enforced, and it appears to be largely obsolete in practice. However an incident in 2017 saw an author being threatened with prosecution for writing a novel which included LGBT themes. There do not appear to be any other reports of  enforcement of the criminalising law or other laws. Nevertheless, the mere existence of this provision is itself a violation of human rights and underpins further acts of discrimination. " 

 

Source for that article

Human Dignity Trust

 

https://www.fatbeehive.com/case-study/human-dignity-trust/

 

It's an British based NGO that works with LGBT activists globally, assisting them to use the law to defend their rights. 

 

 

Now for women being able to access a tertiary education.

While this is still hard, both at a cultural and economic level, some still find a way.

And there is even a scholarship program available. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/women-gaza-education-university-b2311778.html

 

 

Thanks for the head's up.  I assumed there were a fair amount of fundamentalist Muslims in Gaza...

 

I still have my doubts that an openly gay person wouldn't eventually be killed by a fundamentalist in the area, but it's good to learn that it isn't like other places where you'd only last about as long as it would take them to drag you up to the top of a building.

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2 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

 

Thanks for the head's up.  I assumed there were a fair amount of fundamentalist Muslims in Gaza...

 

I still have my doubts that an openly gay person wouldn't eventually be killed by a fundamentalist in the area, but it's good to learn that it isn't like other places where you'd only last about as long as it would take them to drag you up to the top of a building.

 

I am certainly not stating life is easy for gay men in Gaza.

 

I posted this article a week or two ago.

 

It gives an insight into gay life in Gaza.

https://time.com/6326254/queering-the-map-gaza-lgbt-palestinians/

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2 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

Media Ignore Quietly-Revised UN Figures of Hamas-Reported Civilian Deaths

 

https://honestreporting.com/media-ignore-quietly-revised-un-figures-of-hamas-reported-civilian-deaths/

 

 

 

Brother I have already addressed this claim a couple of pages ago. 

 

" UN denies death toll of women and children has been revised down "

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-says-gaza-death-toll-still-over-35000-not-all-bodies-identified-2024-05-13/

 

Bottom line, there are still the same amount of dead bodies, 10,000 haven't been identified.

 

As I detailed in a previous post, some of those bodies are unrecognisable. 

 

That's why reputable media aren't reporting this.

 

 

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