Hamas attacking Israel

[Provost]

5 minutes ago, bolt said:

Israel said they'll turn the power back on if Hamas returns the hostages.  Yet Israel gets the condemnation for that decision? 

If only we had some sort of international laws for circumstances like this…

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment#:~:text=Collective punishment is a war,Conventions and Additional Protocol II.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, bolt said:

Israel said they'll turn the power back on if Hamas returns the hostages.  Yet Israel gets the condemnation for that decision? 

Isn’t HAMAS calling the women, children, and elderly they captured prisoners of war though?  

7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Wow, so basically there are youth living in Vancouver that have been radicalized?  That's some scary shit...

Radicalized and cowardly. If those two young men aren’t Canadian they get the boot. 

[Provost]

3 minutes ago, bolt said:

Israel will turn the electricity and water back on if the hostages are returned. Also Gaza would be a better place if they didn't convert most of their humanitarian aid into weapons.  Hamas is a terrorist organization that beheads Gays and uses human shields.  Your comparison is very reaching.

Collective punishment is a war crime.

 

Gaza doesn’t convert most of their humanitarian aid into weapons.  If it did, their attacks would be using more than cheaply made rockets made from plumbing pipes, a few paraglides as an “Air Force”, and 40 year old discarded AK47s.  They have little military capability.

 

The use of human shields talking point is simply that these fighters are using guerilla and partisan tactics (just like in WWII and many other conflicts between unequal forces).

 

Hamas doesn’t have to be good to think Israel is wrong.  The world didn’t go and kill German civilians en masse because of the worst Nazi atrocities.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Provost said:

Collective punishment is a war crime.

 

Gaza doesn’t convert most of their humanitarian aid into weapons.  If it did, their attacks would be using more than cheaply made rockets made from plumbing pipes, a few paraglides as an “Air Force”, and 40 year old discarded AK47s.  They have little military capability.

 

The use of human shields talking point is simply that these fighters are using guerilla and partisan tactics (just like in WWII and many other conflicts between unequal forces).

 

Hamas doesn’t have to be good to think Israel is wrong.  The world didn’t go and kill German civilians en masse because of the worst Nazi atrocities.

Will the HAMAS fighters stand up like men and protect their people or will they be a no show as Israeli forces move forward? I think they will hide amongst the innocent people. It’s why the government media in GAZA is telling people to stay. 

[bolt]

23 minutes ago, Provost said:

Collective punishment is a war crime.

 

Gaza doesn’t convert most of their humanitarian aid into weapons.  If it did, their attacks would be using more than cheaply made rockets made from plumbing pipes, a few paraglides as an “Air Force”, and 40 year old discarded AK47s.  They have little military capability.

 

The use of human shields talking point is simply that these fighters are using guerilla and partisan tactics (just like in WWII and many other conflicts between unequal forces).

 

Hamas doesn’t have to be good to think Israel is wrong.  The world didn’t go and kill German civilians en masse because of the worst Nazi atrocities.

Did the Jewish ghettos elect terrorists, fire rockets, kidnap, rape, torture hostages,  paraglide into their neighbors land and mow people down?  The Hamas fire thousands of rockets into Israel on a routine basis, where is the money coming from?  They should be self sufficient for water and electricity yet chose hatred instead.

Edited October 13, 2023 by bolt

[Calamity K]

35 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Isn’t HAMAS calling the women, children, and elderly they captured prisoners of war though?  

Radicalized and cowardly. If those two young men aren’t Canadian they get the boot. 

A pipe dream.

[Provost]

7 hours ago, Alflives said:

Will the HAMAS fighters stand up like men and protect their people or will they be a no show as Israeli forces move forward? I think they will hide amongst the innocent people. It’s why the government media in GAZA is telling people to stay. 

That is frankly just dumb language, I assumed your saying purposefully stupid shit was a persona you just put on for hockey related matters.

 

They will use guerilla and partisan tactics just like any other time in history with that sort of asymmetry in forces where one force is faced with a vastly superior force.  It will be booby traps, snipers, and building to building fighting.  

 

It will be minimal resistance simply because Hamas has virtually no military capability.  Almost of the capacity they had would  have been expended on their attack last week. They aren’t a military at all.  It is a small, untrained force of largely young men who use generations old unreliable weapons and homemade munitions,or even just throwing rocks.  The Israeli army has one of the largest military’s budgets on the planet and is supplied with the most advanced equipment, command, and communications that the US has developed and given to them.

 

Will the Israeli fighters stand up like men (and women) and discard all their sophisticated weaponry and machines of war and onto send in a few thousand soldiers instead of hundreds of thousands to make it a fair fight?

 

Nope, that would be stupid… just like your comment.  It isn’t a macho pokey chest elementary school fight like your experience maxes out at.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Provost

[Provost]

31 minutes ago, bolt said:

Did the Jewish ghettos elect terrorists, fire rockets, kidnap, rape, torture hostages,  paraglide into their neighbors land and mow people down?  The Hamas fire thousands of rockets into Israel on a routine basis, where is the money coming from?  They should be self sufficient for water and electricity yet chose hatred instead.

You keep making untrue posts filled with rhetoric, and when they are refuted you just move on to other spurious and untrue claims and rhetoric.

 

Jewish partisans killed many civilians and used guerilla tactics and terror to convince people not to collaborate with the Nazis.

 

Those Hamas terrorists paraglided onto their own land to kill people.  People that felt safe enough in their vast superiority to have a music festival within earshot of the ghetto they created and have forced into increasing subjugation and despair.

 

Where is the money and equipment coming from to fund Israel’s military and economy?

 

They can’t be self sufficient because they have been under siege and blockade for longer than many residents there have been alive.  Literally every scrap of goods is controlled and sanctioned by the blockades.  Israel has blown up the capacity they did have.

 

Isreal has also chosen hatred.

 

When it is convenient you use Arab, Palestinian, and Hamas as interchangeable…. They aren’t.

 

All those laws and violence Isreal is committing are against Arabs.  Including ones in Israel that are Israeli citizens.  It is also pointed directly at Palestinians who are routinely daily forced off their own lands by the Israeli government to make way for Jewish settlers… if they resist they are shot down like dogs.

Hamas militants are the very small and unelected subset of those populations who have decided to use force to oppose the violence against them.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Provost

[moosehead]

29 minutes ago, bolt said:

Did the Jewish ghettos elect terrorists, fire rockets, kidnap, rape, torture hostages,  paraglide into their neighbors land and mow people down?  

 

No , but the Jewish ghettos did elect people that burn down villages, poison water supplies, seize peoples properties, deny palenstinians full  citizenship, Apartheid,  Oppression,  lock innocent people in fenced in detention centres for generations......  turn off power and water to cities of woman and children......

 

This conflict has 2 parties involved that have both done horrific things.   A negotiated peaceful solution needs the world to encourage to make it happen.  Enough suffering has happened to both groups. It is time for peace.

1 minute ago, moosehead said:

 

 

3 minutes ago, Provost said:

 

 

Isreal has also chosen hatred.

 

Israel has chosen Apartheid, Racism, Oppression, Ethnic cleansing. Denial of human rights. War crimes. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by moosehead

[Odd.]

So is Israel knew about the incoming attacks informed by Egypt and one of the most sophisticated and advanced so called anti terrorism intelligence in the world weren’t able to stop paragliders and Toyota Tacoma’s??

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4252561-egypt-warned-israel-of-hamas-strike-days-before-attack-gop-chair/#:~:text=House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman,deadly strike over the weekend.

 

So have Hamas attack Israel so they have an excuse to bomb the shit out of Gaza. 
 

Zionism is a cancer.

[Provost]

9 hours ago, Odd. said:

So is Israel knew about the incoming attacks informed by Egypt and one of the most sophisticated and advanced so called anti terrorism intelligence in the world weren’t able to stop paragliders and Toyota Tacoma’s??

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4252561-egypt-warned-israel-of-hamas-strike-days-before-attack-gop-chair/#:~:text=House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman,deadly strike over the weekend.

 

So have Hamas attack Israel so they have an excuse to bomb the shit out of Gaza. 
 

Zionism is a cancer.

 Not very likely the way it played out, incompetence is always a more likely answer when dealing with government.  The far right Israeli government absolutely attempts to provoke attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah to distract from their own corruption and domestic issues.  Getting tried for corruption and bribery… make an announcement both speeding up illegal settlements…. Get the desired result of a few homemade pipe bomb rockets fired into Isreal to little or no effect… use that to distract the media coverage.  This has been going on for years.

 

It also helps Hamas because if they didn’t have anything to resist, they would also lose power and influence.  Palestinians aren’t subhuman animals who are bloodthirsty savages.  They are just people who want to live and prosper like any of the rest of us.

 

The last couple of months have been marked by numerous provocations in order to distract from resistance to their judicial overhaul policies to remove the courts as a constitutional check and balance to their power and to try them for crimes.  It wasn’t going over well in Isreal.

 

They were likely just so confident in how impotent Hamas really is to think they would actually face a real counter attack.  It was a huge misstep on the part of their government and the more liberal officials and media have been warning that their policies would result in something like this.

 

Now of course, it is a golden opportunity for them to implement their “final solution” which has long been their publicly stated aim.  Destroy and depopulate Gaza to continue expanding Israel beyond its borders.  It is being done to change the news cycle and get a “win” after their colossal

error in judgment and policy that cost the lives of many of their citizens.  It is only supposed to be Arabs who die en masse in this ongoing conflict.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Provost

[Truefan99]

There’s a lot of emotional reasoning and uninformed opinions being shared on here.
 

Once you know the full story you’ll just know instinctively who the injustice is being done to.

 

For a people that suffered horrible atrocities less than a century ago to then treat the people who’s land they’ve taken over and  been occupied forcefully and so horrifically for decades is showing serious collective generational trauma and complete absence of empathy. 
 

From the oppressed to the oppressors. 

 

 

 

All of this goes back to the imperial mindset of the UK and the central powers, which was passed down to form the occupation. Israel is just carrying on that tradition, and inflicting the same pain and misery they faced on a people that is not their own. 
 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Truefan99

[Ryan Strome]

So the UN is calling on the Israelis to stop killing children. One would think the UN wouldn't have to say that to a country like Israel..

 

But I'm sure it's all fake videos and photos of burnt kids...

[King Heffy]

6 minutes ago, Provost said:

 Palestinians aren’t subhuman animals who are bloodthirsty savages.  

 

 

All Palestinians may not be, but Hamas absolutely are.

[Playoff Beered]

4 hours ago, Provost said:

it is honest when the ones elected AND controlling the government are the ruling majority far right coalition.

 

It isn’t some fringe party that has a couple of elected backbenchers like you are trying to imply.
 

Literally the Minister for National Security belonged to such a far right party that it was designated a terrorist group by the US, and he has been cited for hate speech against Arabs.  His current party is the Jewish Power Party (just picture a “White Power” party in the US forming government) which is rabidly anti-Arab and calls for them all to be cleansed from Israel.

 

Yes I get that, it's a coalition of parties, that's all I was pointing out.

[RomanPer]

20 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

Yes I get that, it's a coalition of parties, that's all I was pointing out.

 

Not only that. Israel went through a period of 5 elections in 3 year period between 2019 and 2022 since no one could form a stable coalition. And Bibi wasn't the only one trying to build a coalition. The country is split between left and right and terrorist attacks don't help the pro-peace side. There's also an old Israeli joke about "2 Jews and 3 opinions" and "2 Jews and 3 parties".

[bishopshodan]

A few things on my mind.

 

1) The Security - how did they not know it was coming? did they get the heads up as Egypt claims?  How does that very secure border get so compromised, in so many ways, by so many ....and nodody, no intel to see it coming?

 

2) The evacuation demand - they expect 1.2 million civilians to move out of their homes within 24 hrs, until further notice? pretty much impossible and will create a humanitarian crisis. 

 

3) Genocide - Are some in the world trying to justify actual genocide? I hear the idea that since Hamas is the governance over the Palestinians, then all of them are the enemy. All of them human-animals?

 

The world is watching .

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by bishopshodan

[RomanPer]

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

A few things in my mind.

 

1) The Security - how did they not know it was coming? did they get the heads up as Egypt claims?  How does that very secure border get so compromised, in so many ways, by so many ....and nodody, no intel to see it coming?

 

2) The evacuation demand - they expect 1.2 million civilians to move out of their homes within 24 hrs, until further notice? pretty much impossible and will create a humanitarian crisis. 

 

3) Genocide - Are some in the world trying to justify actual genocide? I hear the idea that since Hamas is the governance over the Palatians, then all of them are the enemy. All of them human-animals?

 

The world is watching .

 

 

 

 

 

1) if you let it happen, you have a reason to respond the way they are. If you don't let it happen, you know longer have that reason and it's a tough sell to the world.

 

2) the United Nations has already said it is impossible

 

3) yeah that's quite bizarre. Use this forum for example And how many people absolutely despise Trump and wish he was dead and call him a terrorist. I don't think they would support the mass killing of Americans though.

[Odd.]

16 hours ago, RomanPer said:

I wish I would be able to not see the ignored user's posts in the other people's responses also  

Perhaps blocking out users calling out Israel’s apartheid, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing is just another way for you to avoid coming to terms with that fact. 
 

All I see is a poster who is okay with Israel’s actions and behaviours. Not a single ounce of sympathy, compassion, or empathy towards the millions of Palestinians who are suffering and are on the verge of starving to death.
 

Not a single condemnation of Israel’s war crimes, the targeting of children (which Israel has killed more of over the course of the last 25 years), the illegal detainings, the genocidal language from Israeli politicians, the massacring and bombardment of un defended thousands of Palestinians in southern Gaza where they were told to evacuate. 
 

They are indiscriminately bombing apartments close to refugee camps, bombed 7 hospitals and sanitation stations just yesterday, targeted media stations killing journalists, and continuously are violating international humanitarian laws by refusing access to basic human rights and needs. Israeli’s defense minister specifically referred Palestinians as “human animals” and will treat them as such.

 

What Hamas has done over the course of the last 16 years, is nowhere near the atrocities of what Israel has done in these past 7 days alone, not counting the 75 years of occupation and apartheid.

 

Israel promotes and endorses genocide. We have seen this plenty of times in history. So much for being “oppressed”.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Odd.

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Perhaps blocking out users calling out Israel’s apartheid, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing is just another way for you to avoid coming to terms with that fact. 
 

All I see is a poster who is okay with Israel’s actions and behaviours. Not a single ounce of sympathy, compassion, or empathy towards the millions of Palestinians who are suffering and are on the verge of starving to death.
 

Not a single condemnation of Israel’s war crimes, the targeting of children (which Israel has killed more of over the course of the last 25 years), the illegal detainings, the genocidal language from Israeli politicians, the massacring and bombardment of un defended thousands of Palestinians in southern Gaza where they were told to evacuate. 
 

They are indiscriminately bombing apartments close to refugee camps, bombed 7 hospitals and sanitation stations just yesterday, targeted media stations killing journalists, and continuously are violating international humanitarian laws by refusing access to basic human rights and needs. Israeli’s defense minister specifically referred Palestinians as “human animals” and will treat them as such.

 

What Hamas has done over the course of the last 16 years, is nowhere near the atrocities of what Israel has done in these past 7 days alone, not counting the 75 years of occupation and apartheid.

 

Israel promotes and endorses genocide. We have seen this plenty of times in history. So much for being “oppressed”.

The man's family has been directly impacted by Hamas acting like the vermin that they are.  Maybe it's you who should show some compassion.

[Truefan99]

21 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

 

Kind of tone deaf to side with the oppressors guess they don’t know their history 

[Ryan Strome]

2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The man's family has been directly impacted by Hamas acting like the vermin that they are.  Maybe it's you who should show some compassion.

This is a terrible comment man. How do you know anybody you're responding to isn't Palestinian and potentially has family in Gaza? You are asking him to show compassion yet he's pointing out The person he's responding to is also showing no compassion. What did you hope to achieve with this post?

Edited October 13, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[Odd.]

4 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The man's family has been directly impacted by Hamas acting like the vermin that they are.  Maybe it's you who should show some compassion.

 I’ve condemned Hamas many times in this thread. I have no compassion for that poster who I refuse to say his name, he doesn’t deserve an ounce of it.

 

 I’m more concerned for the Palestinians than the poster who condones genocidal language of the Israeli politicians. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Odd.

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

This is a terrible comment man. How do you know anybody you responding to isn't the Palestinian and potentially as family and Gaza? You are asking him to show compassion yet he's pointing out. The person he's responding to is also showing no compassion. What did you hope to achieve with this post?

Well Roman has posted directly in this thread what has happened to him.  I don't blame him one bit for wanting Hamas to be exterminated by any means necessary.