Hamas attacking Israel

[Warhippy]

There will be no peace in this area of the middle east.  Period.  Let's not pretend otherwise.

 

Israel won't feel safe or secure until Palestine doesn't exist anymore, under the guise of securing their own borders against Hamas who exist within them after decades of encroachment and blockades.  

 

Palestinians won't feel safe knowing that every night new settlers will be possibly coming in force to evict them from their ancestral homes and any retaliation will be met with extreme violence from the IDF who are there to protect Israeli citizens from Palestinian violence.

 

Once Israel has finally evicted the last Palestinian from their borders.  The arab world will be furious.  The only thing is that Israel has nukes thanks to the french and their lying to and hiding things at Demona.  So nothing will happen except an endless circle of violence in which the only person who will truly be affected will be the palestinian people.

 

As a person of first nations heritage who's family has had their lands stolen and band forcibly relocated 3 times THREE times by our government I see the similarities here and it makes me sad 

 

There will be no peace in the middle east.

[24K]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

 No, the man claims his family has been vaguely indirectly impacted because his daughter met some folks a decade ago at a band camp who may or may not have been killed.

 

He has posted many objectively false things on this thread as well, and has promoted killing innocent civilians so doesn’t seem to be a reliable or objective party to this.

 

He can be outraged and saddened because he identifies with people who were targeted by a terrorist attack.  That is perfectly reasonable.  It doesn’t mean he gets to invent his own reality in order to justify killing or displacing millions of civilians, nor should he get a pass for promoting war crimes.

 

If a Palestinian was on here promoting death to Jews because they are subhuman animals, they would have been banned after their first post.

 

If folks were calling Jews vermin because of their war crimes and atrocities, that would also be ban worthy. 
 

I have seen that playbook first hand.  It is how you get a soldier to pull the trigger and kill another human being… they need to be made into less than humans first.  Easy to kill vermin children to stop the infestation…

That is why the fake propaganda about beheaded babies and tariff came out immediately.  They needed the visceral response to undertake the actions they wanted to.  The fact it turned out quickly to not be true is irrelevant.

Every Israeli politician and spokesman uses different terms to dehumanize Arabs, that is also the vernacular used by the Israeli populace.  It isn’t accidental.

Man did I get chastised in this thread about taking the beheaded baby claim with a grain of salt when it was first reported. 

 

Dead babies are dead babies no matter how they were killed but this should reinforce my method of not taking extraordinary story from the front lines as gospel. 

[Lemon Face]

16 minutes ago, Truefan99 said:

Oh how the narrative is so one sided? This is the problem these days people reduce everything to sensationalist headlines and click baits. 
 

Ok I’ll bite. 
 

More than 1400 Palestinian civilians killed

unauthourized occupation of their land for decades with more land being taken away each year

hundreds of Palestinians kept hostage by israel

All essential basic human resources to civilians controlled by Israel including food, water, energy

Zero ability to leave for decades

Innocen Civilians kids, women, men killed in IDF raids and shelling yearly

no military defensive capability like Iron dome

 

should I keep going or are you going to get off your moral high horse and look at it objectively?

 

you truly sound like a brainwashed individual who can’t think independently. 

 

Trumpism is helluva sickness brother.More advanced technology is reason our brain become more and more lazy.They have everything ready for us.On the internet.Just take it.Had chance to live war time and witness the biggest victim aside off civilian.TRUTH.Used always for there  personal needs.Forgive them.They dont know.I know one popular saying.Blessed is one who is crazy,whole life spend in happiness.Nothing change ,and nothing will change.My heart go to EVERYBODY who suffer.I can feel them.Dont waste your time offending each other.Nothing change ever.Peace

[Provost]

45 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

There will be no peace in this area of the middle east.  Period.  Let's not pretend otherwise.

 

Israel won't feel safe or secure until Palestine doesn't exist anymore, under the guise of securing their own borders against Hamas who exist within them after decades of encroachment and blockades.  

 

Palestinians won't feel safe knowing that every night new settlers will be possibly coming in force to evict them from their ancestral homes and any retaliation will be met with extreme violence from the IDF who are there to protect Israeli citizens from Palestinian violence.

 

Once Israel has finally evicted the last Palestinian from their borders.  The arab world will be furious.  The only thing is that Israel has nukes thanks to the french and their lying to and hiding things at Demona.  So nothing will happen except an endless circle of violence in which the only person who will truly be affected will be the palestinian people.

 

As a person of first nations heritage who's family has had their lands stolen and band forcibly relocated 3 times THREE times by our government I see the similarities here and it makes me sad 

 

There will be no peace in the middle east.

Unfortunately true as there is too much hate on all sides from repeated atrocities.

 

The world has no interest in fixing it.  The US will support Israel at all costs just because not doing so is political death domestically.  Russia will support Palestine because they pretty much oppose anything the US supports and both countries love fighting proxy wars in distant lands that don’t directly cost them body bags.

 

Also, people who are any shade of brown and don’t have oil or anything else useful to the western world are the most disposable and least valuable humans on the planet.  So it will never be fair.  In this conflict, the Palestinians are the most brown, so least valuable as humans.  Lip service and wringing of hands will be all the care the world can muster up in what is already becoming a massive human catastrophe.  I guess the “success” of the Hamas terrorist attack will be at least Palestinian deaths will be in the news for a little while Vs. Being ignored like they have been for years.

 

That isn’t hyperbole, there are literal calculations and policy documents done by the US government (and presumably other governments) measuring the comparative value of humans lives compared to an American one.

 

They wouldn’t get involved in Rwanda for example because their state department literally calculated that 80,000 Rwandan dead (I think that was the number) was worth less 1 US soldier in a body bag when it came to how it would come across domestically.  This was shortly after the Somalian incident where helicopter pilots had died.

 

The US had a heavily armed force in the region next door to Rwanda that could have deployed and stopped a genocide.  Their math didn’t add up to make it worth it…. Maybe 10-20 US deaths and only saving 800,000 Rwandan civilians… not worth it). Brown lives just don’t matter that much.  Instead it was a bunch of Canadians and other smaller countries left as observers to just watch it happen.

 

In the Balkans Canadian soldiers also got stuck as observers in ethnic cleansing and literally had terms of engagement that didn’t allow them to protect civilians being exterminated…. 
 

The world doesn’t care unless it is in their interest to care.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Provost

[Rob Eh]

On 10/9/2023 at 9:23 AM, Playoff Beered said:

 

This is false.

Soon after the Hamas attacks on Israel, former President Donald J. Trump and other Republicans tried to cast blame on President Biden — saying that a recent deal brokered to secure the release of five Americans detained in Iran helped to finance the assault. Iran is a longtime backer of Hamas, a Palestinian militant group that has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States.

 

As part of the deal in question, the U.S. facilitated the transfer of $6 billion of Iranian profits from oil sales from banks in South Korea to Qatar so that Iran could use it for food and other humanitarian purposes.

 

But that $6 billion is not U.S. taxpayer money, as Mr. Trump and others, including Vivek Ramaswamy, another of the Republican presidential candidates, falsely stated. Nor is there evidence that the money, which officials have said is subject to Treasury Department oversight, was used to finance the attacks.

 

In fact, the White House National Security Council said the money in question hasn’t been accessed by Iran.

 

“Not a single cent from these funds has been spent, and when it is spent, it can only be spent on things like food and medicine for the Iranian people,” a spokeswoman for the N.S.C., Adrienne Watson, said in a statement on Saturday. “These funds have absolutely nothing to do with the horrific attacks today and this is not the time to spread disinformation.”

 

The $6 billion was already technically usable by Iran for humanitarian purposes, but it was essentially frozen in South Korea because banks there were reluctant to disburse it and run afoul of U.S. rules, said Patrick Clawson, director of research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He said that the Trump administration had similarly tried to find a way to set up a channel for the money to be provided for humanitarian purposes, but was unsuccessful.

 

Even with rules in place limiting how the money may be used, Mr. Clawson said critics of the Biden administration may well argue that providing Iran with access to the $6 billion effectively freed up other money that the Iranian government could then use to fund Hamas and therefore support such attacks.

 

“Money is fungible,” he said.

 

Why do you insert Trump into literally every thread? Obsessed much?

[Lemon Face]

5 minutes ago, Provost said:

Unfortunately true as there is too much hate on all sides from repeated atrocities.

 

The world has no interest in fixing it.  The US will support Israel at all costs just because not doing so is political death domestically.  Russia will support Palestine because they pretty much oppose anything the US supports and both countries love fighting proxy wars in distant lands that don’t directly cost them body bags.

 

Also, people who are any shade of brown and don’t have oil or anything else useful to the western world are the most disposable and least valuable humans on the planet.  So it will never be fair.

 

That isn’t hyperbole, there are literal calculations and policy documents done by the US government (and presumably other governments) measuring the comparative value of humans lives compared to an American one.

 

They wouldn’t get involved in Rwanda for example because their state department literally calculated that 80,000 Rwandan dead (I think that was the number) was worth less 1 US soldier in a body bag when it came to how it would come across domestically.  This was shortly after the Somalian incident where helicopter pilots had died.

 

The US had a heavily armed force in the region next door to Rwanda that could have deployed and stopped a genocide.  Their math didn’t add up to make it worth it.  Brown lives just don’t matter that much.  Instead it was a bunch of Canadians and other smaller countries left as observers to just watch it happen.

 

In the Balkans Canadian soldiers also got stuck as observers in ethnic cleansing and literally had terms of engagement that didn’t allow them to protect civilians being exterminated…. 
 

The world doesn’t care unless it is in their interest to care.

You said it better then me brother

[Warhippy]

9 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

 

Why do you insert Trump into literally every thread? Obsessed much?

I understand why you're confused.  See what this poster did was post what they call a FACT as a response.  It involves individuals in power when this FACT happened.

 

As you and facts are not good bed fellows we understand why this seems confusing to you.

[Truefan99]

Update

[Coconuts]

Picked out the bits that really jumped out to me. My fear is that Israel will use the Hamas attack as a lever to enact not only an indiscriminate ethnic cleansing, but a land grab as well. 

 

How the hell are the Palestinian people supposed to evacuate en masse on such short notice? More than likely airstrikes and bombing are ongoing, there really isn't anywhere safe to actually go, many roads and routes are likely rubble, fuel is probably scarce if Israel hasn't been supplying it, resources are probably scarce, and Israel's blockade is still in place. 

 

Israel's shutting off water and likely stemming the flow of food doesn't help either. 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-military-tells-united-nations-over-one-million-palestinians-should-evacuate-southern-gaza-within-24-hours/

 

Israeli military aircraft dropped thousands of leaflets on the northern Gaza Strip Friday warning residents in that part of the Palestinian territory to evacuate to its southern half. The Israeli military informed the United Nations late Thursday night that the entire population in northern Gaza should evacuate south almost immediately.

 

Stephane Dujarric, a U.N. spokesperson, told CBS News that liaison officers with the Israel Defense Forces informed the U.N. just before midnight Gaza time Thursday that the entire population north of Wadi Gaza should "relocate to southern Gaza within the next 24 hours."

 

According to the U.N., about 1.1. million people live in northern Gaza, the most densely populated part of the territory.

 

The U.N. "considers it impossible for such a movement to take place without devastating humanitarian consequences," Dujarric said, and it "strongly appeals for any such order, if confirmed, to be rescinded avoiding what could transform what is already a tragedy into a calamitous situation."

 

Early Friday local time, the IDF ordered Gaza City's hundreds of thousands of residents to move farther south in the Gaza Strip for their "own safety."

In response, Hamas called on Palestinians to stay put in their homes, according to The Associated Press.

 

The order comes as Israel continues to conduct relentless airstrikes on the Gaza Strip in the wake of Saturday's Hamas terror attacks, and prepares for an expected ground invasion of Gaza.

"Don't return to your homes until further notice from the Israel Defense Forces," the Israeli leaflets warned Palestinians who have few options for escape, adding that "all known and public shelters in Gaza City must be evacuated." 

 

About 300,000 Israeli soldiers have amassed outside the border of the Gaza Strip. Israel Defense Forces international spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus on Wednesday did not explicitly say Israel was preparing a ground assault of Gaza, but noted the troops, along with tanks, armored vehicles and other artillery, were "making preparations for the next stage of the war which will come when the timing is opportune and fit for our purposes." 

 

Israeli officials said Thursday that at least 1,300 people have been killed in the Hamas invasion, and at least 2,800 more wounded.

 

At least 1,537 Gaza residents have been killed in Israel's counterattacks, including 500 children, and another 6,600 wounded, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

 

Since the Hamas invasion, Israel has issued a complete blockade on Gaza, with no food, water, gas, medicine or electricity allowed in, putting the region on the brink of a humanitarian crisis. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Coconuts

[Rob Eh]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

I'm pretty sure everybody in this thread wants Hamas exterminated. What they don't want is all these innocent children who are being bombed and killed and what they don't want is an absolute torturous and illegal treatment of innocent Palestinians. This stupid argument you guys are making while they voted for Hamas just stop! You have called Trump and other Republicans Nazis. You have also called conservatives in this country Nazis would you support the indiscriminate bombing of Canadians and Americans? If you can't see the hypocrisy guy..

You are correct. These threads seem to embolden the political blow hards. They can't keep their mouths shut about anything, even if it has zero to do with them. 

Just a group of war mongering, blood hungry, chicken hawks, yelling into the void.

[Warhippy]

11 minutes ago, Provost said:

Unfortunately true as there is too much hate on all sides from repeated atrocities.

 

The world has no interest in fixing it.  The US will support Israel at all costs just because not doing so is political death domestically.  Russia will support Palestine because they pretty much oppose anything the US supports and both countries love fighting proxy wars in distant lands that don’t directly cost them body bags.

 

Also, people who are any shade of brown and don’t have oil or anything else useful to the western world are the most disposable and least valuable humans on the planet.  So it will never be fair.

 

That isn’t hyperbole, there are literal calculations and policy documents done by the US government (and presumably other governments) measuring the comparative value of humans lives compared to an American one.

 

They wouldn’t get involved in Rwanda for example because their state department literally calculated that 80,000 Rwandan dead (I think that was the number) was worth less 1 US soldier in a body bag when it came to how it would come across domestically.  This was shortly after the Somalian incident where helicopter pilots had died.

 

The US had a heavily armed force in the region next door to Rwanda that could have deployed and stopped a genocide.  Their math didn’t add up to make it worth it.  Brown lives just don’t matter that much.  Instead it was a bunch of Canadians and other smaller countries left as observers to just watch it happen.

 

In the Balkans Canadian soldiers also got stuck as observers in ethnic cleansing and literally had terms of engagement that didn’t allow them to protect civilians being exterminated…. 
 

The world doesn’t care unless it is in their interest to care.

100% correct.

 

So sadly on point.  Look at yemen.  What do they have?  Nothing.  Who is opposing them?  None other than one of the US government's largest interests in the world.  Millions suffering and nobody cares enough to help them.  But find say, lithium, cobalt, oil or gold in those sands and all of a sudden it's an outrage and must be stopped.

 

The truth is nobody cares at all unless it benefits them in some way.  The global equivalent of a tik tok influencer recording themselves giving a homeless man a sandwich for the likes or a corporation changing their social media photos to a rainbow June 1st through 11:59 pm June 30th

[Rob Eh]

7 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I understand why you're confused.  See what this poster did was post what they call a FACT as a response.  It involves individuals in power when this FACT happened.

 

As you and facts are not good bed fellows we understand why this seems confusing to you.

 

You guys can let go of Bidens sack any time now.

[Warhippy]

Just now, Rob Eh said:

 

You guys can let go of Bidens sack any time now.

Shhhh

 

Big people are talking.

 

Take your crayons and go colour

[moosehead]

2 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Well Roman has posted directly in this thread what has happened to him.  I don't blame him one bit for wanting Hamas to be exterminated by any means necessary.

there is no justification for condoning genocide.    Sorry but i can not support any poster supporting genocide.  

[Rob Eh]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Shhhh

 

Big people are talking.

 

Take your crayons and go colour

I won't be relying on this thread for any type of insight or wisdom, that's for sure. But pull up your big boy pants and continue on, at least it's entertaining.

[Satchmo]

21 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

 

Why do you insert Trump into literally every thread? Obsessed much?

Is that the only name you saw in that post?  

[Rob Eh]

1 minute ago, Satchmo said:

Is that the only name you saw in that post?  

Did you read that post?

[Satchmo]

Just now, Rob Eh said:

Did you read that post?

yup.

[Rob Eh]

1 minute ago, Satchmo said:

yup.

What was it about?

[R3aL]

These kind of topics on hockey fans boards are so intense compared to that of trade talk, prospect talk, player evaluation, owner hate etc.

 

I just want to say us spoiled Canadians cannot even agree on our own soft first world issues and loss of freedoms from our government or even really properly address our nations skeletons in the closets.

 

Its safe to say we wont agree or find a solution to a much scarier reality of what life is like in the Middle East or specifically in Gaza.

 

What it feels like to be in Israel or Gaza right now. Most of us will never know.

 

I think everyone should really chill out and speak to each other with more respect here and compassion.

 

People are dying on both sides and it is a shame. Children on both sides in hateful ways.

 

But ya I am gonna get out of here cause I have nothing to add of value other than be kind to each other. We are a community ourself.

[bolt]

1 hour ago, Odd. said:

How is it that you fail to distinguish Palestine and Hamas. Palestinian civilians who want to be free don’t have blood on their hands. Hamas does. Hamas. And Hamas doesn’t even compare to amount Israel has.

 

Meanwhile, all of Israel is complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. 

Palestine elected Hamas as their Governnent.  Who is exactly is controlling Gaza?  Firing thousands of rockets per day from apartment buildings into Israel and using human shields is brave?    

 

https://torontosun.com/news/batras-burning-questions-how-can-you-be-a-canadian-and-support-hamas

 

Anyways a question for you. How can you be a Canadian and support Hamas?  Did you support ISIS as well?

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by bolt

[Satchmo]

3 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

What was it about?

Largely  about how the infamous 6 billion dollars has yet to leave Qatar.

[24K]

31 minutes ago, bolt said:

Palestine elected Hamas as their Governnent.  Who is exactly is controlling Gaza?  Firing thousands of rockets per day from apartment buildings into Israel and using human shields is brave?    

 

https://torontosun.com/news/batras-burning-questions-how-can-you-be-a-canadian-and-support-hamas

 

Anyways a question for you. How can you be a Canadian and support Hamas?  Did you support ISIS as well?

 

They elected them back in 2006. That is 16 years ago. You can't possibly claim Palestinians endorses Hamas based off of that one election where most of the people that did so aren't even alive now considering half the population in gaza is like umder 18. 

 

And let's not pretend Israel was not throwing more sophisticated bombs at Gaza and committing war crimes against Palestinians as well over the last 2 decades. Heck they threw white phosphorus at Gaza just the other day and that is a war crime by itself. 

 

No one is supporting Hamas here. Being concerned for Palestinians does not equate to supporting Hamas. Being critical of Israeli policies and action also does not equate to supportong Hamas.

Edited October 13, 2023 by 24K

[Truefan99]

1 minute ago, bolt said:

Palestine elected Hamas as their Governnent.  Who is exactly is controlling Gaza?  Firing thousands of rockets per day from apartment buildings into Israel and using human shields is brave?    

 

https://torontosun.com/news/batras-burning-questions-how-can-you-be-a-canadian-and-support-hamas

 

Anyways a question for you. How can you be a Canadian and support Hamas?  Did you support ISIS as well?

 

Only 1/3 of Palestinians voted when they were elected in Gaza. Doesn’t mean they are representative of the entire Palestinian people  or their tactics are justified. You still seem to have a problem of accepting that important detail. And while they are cowards to use their own civilians as shields, Israel is treating the civilians as collateral damage amounting to the same outcome. 
 

no one is supporting hamas, to make it Crystal clear for understanding, but they do support Palestinian civilians who have and are being treated as prisoners on their own lands which was taken from them. 
 

 

[Warhippy]

8 minutes ago, bolt said:

Palestine elected Hamas as their Governnent.  Who is exactly is controlling Gaza?  Firing thousands of rockets per day from apartment buildings into Israel and using human shields is brave?    

 

https://torontosun.com/news/batras-burning-questions-how-can-you-be-a-canadian-and-support-hamas

 

Anyways a question for you. How can you be a Canadian and support Hamas?  Did you support ISIS as well?

 

Full stop, because I hate this line of thinking.

 

Supporting the Palestinian people or sympathizing with them is not supporting Hamas any more than voting Conservative means you support white nationalists or voting Liberal means you support extreme inclusivity