Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Provost said: The point of my post though was that folks are only defending one side, which is pretty weird. I genuinely dont think it is that weird. Not even looking at it from my perspective which I have tried to be clear on here from the start. But from any random world placed view: When Hamas attacked at the start of THIS ROUND of hostilities, not talking about great great gand dad being evicted, which should not have happened in a lot of cases (somehow if i dont declare that in every post I am anti Palestinian) but talking about people being mostly alive in the region before the 7th and thousands being dead in the region after the 7th: I think it is only natural for most critical thinkers to side with the initial strike victims. That is all, not pretty weird at all, more human nature. we are empaths among other more murderous traits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Spur1 said: Get a room. rofl, I have loved Illunga's input and valuable thoughts on pretty much every topic for i hate to say it, like 20 years now... more? We may disagree, but I find we have managed to disagree positively for decades through the Canucks Forums. That aint nothin. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Ilunga said: What's the point of further contributions ? As I have already stated this thread was getting like the conflict itself, an endless circle of blame and recriminations. I happened to have that M.A.S.H episode on the other night in the background while I was reading, the one where Hawkeye brings the Pilot who was blase about the war, bombing villages from 20,000ft, into the operating room where the surgeons were working on a young child who was a victim of a bombing raid. All of a sudden the war became personal to him. That's what this thread makes me think of. I haven't been in an actual war zone however I was in mass street fights where people were attacking each other with knives, baseball bats and Iron bars. I have been both shot at and shot. This is me and a bit of my story The guys from Burton gave me that set of Jacket and Pants, that's actually Farsi, quotes from Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Muhammad Ali, Pablo Picasso and Albert Einstein. As it states at the end of the video Love conquers all, including anger. I love that you share my friend, you are a needed voice in the world and in the Unofficial CDC. edit: got any of them falling down a mountain videos you can link? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: I love that you share my friend, you are a needed voice in the world and in the Unofficial CDC. edit: got any of them falling down a mountain videos you can link? Unfortunately a mix of crappy computer skills and a lot of the footage of me skiing isn't available online. I amazed myself by posting that link. Thanks for the kind words my friend, I feel the same way. No matter how close you are to someone, you don't always agree with them. Treating others with dignity and respect however is not hard to do IMO. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Riddikulus said: Orwell was the one that put it best, "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others". No sane person wants to see people suffer, but the suffering of some human beings will always hit us harder than that of others. To you that statement is BS, but to many around the world it would be the equivalent of saying water is wet. He was disparaging the communist governments for their unequal distribution of wealth/income despite their claims to the contrary. Had nothing to do with our empathy towards others' suffering. But yes, it is human nature to be more concerned about a single murder of someone similar to us right on our block, than we are about hundreds of people who don't look like us dying on the other side of the planet. Not really surprising since about a hundred million people die on the planet each year, many of them in unpleasant ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Not a bad article: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/middle-east/why-egypt-and-other-arab-countries-are-unwilling-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza/article_f7523d9a-f1d5-55c6-9f3d-72aaf1dece3f.html?source=newsletter&utm_content=a07&utm_source=ts_nl&utm_medium=email&utm_email=82ACB64E8561B014C56542FC0E36A695&utm_campaign=lng_202248 Quote Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza CAIRO (AP) — As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas' brutal Oct. 7 attack, some ask why neighboring Egypt and Jordan don’t take them in. By Jack Jeffery And Samy Magdy The Associated Press Wednesday, October 18, 2023 3 min to read Quote A HISTORY OF DISPLACEMENT Displacement has been a major theme of Palestinian history. In the 1948 war around Israel’s creation, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled from what is now Israel. Palestinians refer to the event as the Nakba, Arabic for “catastrophe.” In the 1967 Mideast war, when Israel seized the West Bank and Gaza Strip, 300,000 more Palestinians fled, mostly into Jordan. The refugees and their descendants now number nearly 6 million, most living in camps and communities in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. The diaspora has spread further, with many refugees building lives in Gulf Arab countries or the West. After fighting stopped in the 1948 war, Israel refused to allow refugees to return to their homes. Since then, Israel has rejected Palestinian demands for a return of refugees as part of a peace deal, arguing that it would threaten the country’s Jewish majority. Egypt fears history will repeat itself and a large Palestinian refugee population from Gaza will end up staying for good. Quote NO GUARANTEE OF RETURN That’s in part because there’s no clear scenario for how this war will end. Israel says it intends to destroy Hamas for its bloody rampage in its southern towns. But it has given no indication of what might happen afterward and who would govern Gaza. That has raised concerns that it will reoccupy the territory for a period, fueling further conflict. The Israeli military said Palestinians who followed its order to flee northern Gaza to the strip’s southern half would be allowed back to their homes after the war ends. Egypt is not reassured. I have edited out a lot, but it is behind a pay wall, so trying to include the major ideas. The article ends with this: Quote WORRIES OVER HAMAS At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt's military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them. Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007, tightly controlling the entry of materials and the passage of civilians back and forth. It also destroyed the network of tunnels under the border that Hamas and other Palestinians used to smuggle goods into Gaza. With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said. El-Sissi warned of an even more destabilizing scenario: the wrecking of Egypt and Israel’s 1979 peace deal. He said that with the presence of Palestinian militants, Sinai “would become a base for attacks on Israel. Israel would have the right to defend itself ... and would strike Egyptian territory.” “The peace which we have achieved would vanish from our hands,” he said, “all for the sake of the idea of eliminating the Palestinian cause.” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, WeneedLumme said: He was disparaging the communist governments for their unequal distribution of wealth/income despite their claims to the contrary. Had nothing to do with our empathy towards others' suffering. But yes, it is human nature to be more concerned about a single murder of someone similar to us right on our block, than we are about hundreds of people who don't look like us dying on the other side of the planet. Not really surprising since about a hundred million people die on the planet each year, many of them in unpleasant ways. but if thats true, why did it take countries far from South Africa to help end apartheid there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Not a bad article: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/middle-east/why-egypt-and-other-arab-countries-are-unwilling-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza/article_f7523d9a-f1d5-55c6-9f3d-72aaf1dece3f.html?source=newsletter&utm_content=a07&utm_source=ts_nl&utm_medium=email&utm_email=82ACB64E8561B014C56542FC0E36A695&utm_campaign=lng_202248 I have edited out a lot, but it is behind a pay wall, so trying to include the major ideas. The article ends with this: just more reasons to get rid of Hamas (as much as they can anyway) and then see what they can rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddikulus Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: He was disparaging the communist governments for their unequal distribution of wealth/income despite their claims to the contrary. Had nothing to do with our empathy towards others' suffering. But yes, it is human nature to be more concerned about a single murder of someone similar to us right on our block, than we are about hundreds of people who don't look like us dying on the other side of the planet. Not really surprising since about a hundred million people die on the planet each year, many of them in unpleasant ways. I understand that, having read both Animal Farm and 1984. The quote was simply apropos to this situation. Orwell may have been criticizing communism but the lessons from those novels apply to not just communism but the concept of equality in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Allright! Food and medicine is arriving thru the Rafah Gate. 20 trucks at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bishopshodan Posted October 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 6:21 PM, Ilunga said: Everyone on this board is important to me, we all share the bond of wanting to share both a love of the Canucks/ ice hockey and opinions on subjects/ topics such as this one. I haven't checked but I think I know the post you were referring to that was taken down. Loved the empathy that was shown, gave you a " hug "and went back to thinking about my son. There are a lot of great people on this board however you truly have a heart of gold my friend. Your empathy for others is your greatest strength. It's the only criteria I have for my friends, that one has a good heart. I was not allowed to respond to you. Thank you, I mean it. It meant a lot to read this from you. I now carry a tarnish of a warning point, it disgusts me. I will still be around to lurk and the odd fun post but I wil no longer contribute any personal information or insight. I have lost trust. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 19 hours ago, Bob Long said: I think we kind of reached a kind of general consensus, maybe not on each point but I think people are waiting for the next big shoe to drop. Jim. Sorry for the 'wut' emoji to this post. I was trying to convey, from my banishment, that Ep was right. A cleansing may have occurred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Jim. Sorry for the 'wut' emoji to this post. I was trying to convey, from my banishment, that Ep was right. A cleansing may have occurred No worries 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 From 7 years ago, The Middle East Problem by Dennis Prager: Oh, I looked him up, according to Wikipedia, he is NOT a fraud. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Heretic said: From 7 years ago, The Middle East Problem by Dennis Prager: Oh, I looked him up, according to Wikipedia, he is NOT a fraud. I watched the whole video. In a nutshell he is not wrong. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: Not a bad article: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/middle-east/why-egypt-and-other-arab-countries-are-unwilling-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza/article_f7523d9a-f1d5-55c6-9f3d-72aaf1dece3f.html?source=newsletter&utm_content=a07&utm_source=ts_nl&utm_medium=email&utm_email=82ACB64E8561B014C56542FC0E36A695&utm_campaign=lng_202248 I have edited out a lot, but it is behind a pay wall, so trying to include the major ideas. The article ends with this: I suspect a lot of the pro-Hamas statements coming out of politicians next door is to appease the Palestinians living there. Particularly in Jordan. Did I mention Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: I suspect a lot of the pro-Hamas statements coming out of politicians next door is to appease the Palestinians living there. Particularly in Jordan. Did I mention Canada? that guy who was arrested in Edmonton I think it was for losing his shit on the Palestinian Flag waiving protestors absolutely needed to be removed from that place by the cops. That is the kind of over the top racist reactions I hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharpshooter Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I feel for the innocent people of Gaza. This looks like it’s incoming soon. It’s going to kill hundreds of Palestinians and hundreds of IDF soldiers. Open Pandora’s box…and all we’ll find is death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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