Playoff Beered Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Netanyahu told to ‘quit now’ as ex-leaders pin blame on dysfunctional government Former military officers and politicians say prime minister bears responsibility for the failures that led to the Hamas incursion https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/22/netanyahu-told-to-quit-now-as-ex-leaders-pin-blame-on-dysfunctional-government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I wonder if getting rid of Bibi could help settle things down a little bit? or are his fellow party members who'd take over just as bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: I wonder if getting rid of Bibi could help settle things down a little bit? or are his fellow party members who'd take over just as bad? Could be. It's the party, as much as Bibi, that is so out to muzzle the Supreme Court and were the targets of the recent protests in the streets. It might even be that Hamas was watching and saw a good time to strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Long Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: Well it took five days or so but various Intel communities around the globe including Canada's now officially today conclude it was a Hamas Rocket misfire that hit the parking lot at the hospital. My guess is the extra time was due to referencing satellite data and correlating multiple data points and sources. Quotting myself seems gauche, but I wanted the timestamp. I'm glad they took the time. Too much knee jerking going on throughout this whole thing. @RomanPer is it at all feasible or useful to remove Netanyahu at this point? Edited October 22, 2023 by Bob Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RomanPer Posted October 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Satchmo said: Could be. It's the party, as much as Bibi, that is so out to muzzle the Supreme Court and were the targets of the recent protests in the streets. It might even be that Hamas was watching and saw a good time to strike. The problem is not just Likud, if anything, they are probably the least of the “hawks”. For many years Israel had 2 major parties - Likud (right) and Avoda (left). And usually one of the parties would win majority in Knesset. The things started changing dramatically when smaller parties started separating from the big 2. For some Likud wasn’t right enough or too much right. The same was on the left side. The only constant through all this were Orthodox parties (Yahadut HaTorah for Ashkenazi Orthodox and Shas for Sefardic Orthodox). They consistently were getting their percentage points that would guarantee between 15 to 20 members of Knesset between the two of them. At the time of one party majority, these orthodox parties were pretty irrelevant. However, with multiple splits in the 2 major parties, getting a single party majority became almost impossible. Welcome “coalition governments”. And the biggest winners in this became the ultra orthodox parties. They often become these “missing” seats in forming a coalition and as a result, they hold disproportionately high power in the coalition as them leaving will break it. Majority of Israeli citizens despise the orthodox parties for this, as they get disproportionately high parts of the budget for their communities. Obviously, everything above is highly oversimplified, but I see this coalition issue as one of the biggest obstacles in any possible peace process. Edited October 23, 2023 by RomanPer 3 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I'm glad they took the time. Too much knee jerking going on throughout this whole thing. @RomanPer is it at all feasible or useful to remove Netanyahu at this point? Or, I have no doubt that Netanyahu will not survive this politically. But see my post above about the coalition issues in Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, RomanPer said: Or, I have no doubt that Netanyahu will not survive this politically. But see my post above about the coalition issues in Israel. well, I hope for everyones sake that a more centre leader emerges out of all this more voters can get behind. I'm sick of the extremists in our world. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Yes, this is a whataboutism, but it's a very relevant whataboutism... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Long Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: kids just threw their lives away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: I really wanted to post this , thank you for doing it. Very good example of FAFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Saleh al Jafarawi, nominated for an honorary Darwin award, from the FAFO files fore sure. Was a bit on the news today about Palestinian Youth (older teens) slinging rocks at IDF forces to get them to come closer so that other kids could toss molotov cocktails at them. The parental/political leadership for these kids is missing in action to have them out slinging rocks and fiery bottles at guys with body armour and machine guns, and yet, if the ones in body armour and machine guns do nothing we get what happened on Oct 7th. The story was of IDF snipers taking out the kids one at a time as they perfect their aim or get too bold and get within distance of using Molotov Cocktails successfully. Can't even blame video games as I am doubtful most of these youngins have played them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 This is a great piece of history if we were to go “beyond 1947” - https://palestineisraelconflict.wordpress.com/2014/04/27/a-tour-and-census-of-palestine-year-1695-no-sign-of-arabian-names-or-palestinians/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Are the sleeper cells in the US about to be activated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Playoff Beered said: Yes, this is a whataboutism, but it's a very relevant whataboutism... There is a spot in Egypt, near the Sudanese and Libyan border where Israeli and Egyptian and US co-operation is working to reclaim desert space for agricultural practices. The reclamation work has been expanding for the duration of the peace between the two nations. couple screen caps attached. From these terrifying days, maybe some peace can be found and eventual co-operation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Heffy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Are the sleeper cells in the US about to be activated? I'll wait until this is corroborated by a real source https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-caller/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I'll wait until this is corroborated by a real source https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-caller/ There are no real sources. All of the mainstream media are propaganda for their side. The only "real" sources are the boots on the ground and the independent journalists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: There are no real sources. All of the mainstream media are propaganda for their side. The only "real" sources are the boots on the ground and the independent journalists... There are sources with journalistic integrity and sources that make no secret that they should not be considered legitimate. Dailey Caller is the latter. They're pandering to a racist audience that hates Mexicans, and likely faked the documentation. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: There are no real sources. All of the mainstream media are propaganda for their side. The only "real" sources are the boots on the ground and the independent journalists... That particular idea, terrorists infiltrating at the porous southern US border has been pushed from as high up the ladder as President Trump and screamed about by every good son of Alabama for a few years now. of interesting note is: there has never been any proof of such infiltrations of Jihadi/Terrorist people among the Latino community migrating north. Can't say it isn't happening, but it is hard to say it is either without any detainees to point to as proof. It is certainly possible though. now that I zoomed in and read the document, it looks like what someone at Kinko's would think an intel paper would look like, hehe. That is all i am gonna say about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said: That particular idea, terrorists infiltrating at the porous southern US border has been pushed from as high up the ladder as President Trump and screamed about by every good son of Alabama for a few years now. of interesting note is: there has never been any proof of such infiltrations of Jihadi/Terrorist people among the Latino community migrating north. Can't say it isn't happening, but it is hard to say it is either without any detainees to point to as proof. It is certainly possible though. I really haven't heard much either and I can't say for sure one way or the other. But considering that 9/11 happened in the US, anything is possible. I mean those terrorists found a way in didn't they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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