Hamas attacking Israel

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, moosehead said:

 

A picture is worth 1000 words......

 

 

Can you give a bit more context to this map? who developed it and why should I believe it?

 

Also kind of curious on why the UN plan this time would be a bad thing? you've been pretty pro-UN for most of this thread. 

 

 

[Boudrias]

12 hours ago, RomanPer said:

 

I’m telling you about current feelings towards Bibi within Israel after October 7th. 79% of Likud supporters even thing that he’s responsible for what happened by ignoring multiple warning calls. He is in zugzwang politically.

I think that what happened on October 7th will have many who will be held accountable. Yes, Bibi heads the government, but I doubt he issued the passes on the Gaza border. 

[bolt]

11 hours ago, moosehead said:

 

Hamas is funded by other muslim countries.

Israel is funded by USA

 

What is your point again ?

The Hamas terrorist leaders are billionaires by stealing money from its citizens. They are not entrepreneurs or received their money legitely. Maybe that is why they aren't succeeding because they are corrupt beyond belief.  Comparing an Israeli businessman to a criminal Hamas terrorist is disgusting.  

Edited October 30, 2023 by bolt

[MightyCPC]

1 hour ago, moosehead said:

 

A picture is worth 1000 words......

 

Jerusalem was Jewish in King David's day. Historical maps are relevant as props to support bias. 

[RomanPer]

6 hours ago, Lemon Face said:

Brother dont waste your time.If rain is hard in Israel and you say it,you are anti yew.We are all hostages of world war 2,Because of horrible crime by German nazy,Izrael has cart blanche to defend them self(kill others).Same chronology is strange.Did Palestine de solve Israel or other way around.Israel settlers are civiliams.There is only small problem.They are armed and they kill.Palestinians didnot kill Israel prime minister who signed peace agreement.Guy who did it is on photo with Nentanyahu.

Defence minister caled Palestinians animals and as such they need to be dealt with

 

Wrong. He called Hamas animals, not all Palestinians. But you do you, you are clearly a hostage of WWII. Sorry not all of us died - it would make your life so much easier.

[RomanPer]

6 hours ago, Lemon Face said:

Brother dont waste your time.If rain is hard in Israel and you say it,you are anti yew.We are all hostages of world war 2,Because of horrible crime by German nazy,Izrael has cart blanche to defend them self(kill others).Same chronology is strange.Did Palestine de solve Israel or other way around.Israel settlers are civiliams.There is only small problem.They are armed and they kill.Palestinians didnot kill Israel prime minister who signed peace agreement.Guy who did it is on photo with Nentanyahu.

Defence minister caled Palestinians animals and as such they need to be dealt with

 

I am also really curious to see a photo of Netanyahu with Yigal Amir  

[Elias Pettersson]

6 hours ago, Lemon Face said:

Defence minister caled Palestinians animals and as such they need to be dealt with

No he didn’t. He called the Hamas terrorists animals, which they are. 
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12686353/amp/Israeli-Defence-Minister-declares-fighting-animals-not-people-sets-sight-winning-war-saving-hostages-trapped-Gaza.html

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

Can you give a bit more context to this map? who developed it and why should I believe it?

 

Also kind of curious on why the UN plan this time would be a bad thing? you've been pretty pro-UN for most of this thread. 

 

 

It’s a fake map with no relevance to any conversation. Not sure why he keeps posting it. 

[Alflives]

7 hours ago, moosehead said:

 

A picture is worth 1000 words......

 

Why did the 1947 plan of division not work? 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Alflives

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, Doogie said:

You can’t answer it, you can’t justify how an OCCUPYING force is defending itself. 

There is not a single Jew that lives in Gaza. Even the bones of the dead Jews were removed from Gaza. So how exactly is Israel “occupying” Gaza?  

[Optimist Prime]

It seems Israel is indeed planning to sever Gaza City from the Southern Gaza strip at the 'highway 10', it seemed logical ten days ago, and now it seems practical as seen on the ground in this image detailing Israeli held territory inside the Northern Gaza strip. Note they have captured 3km NorthWest from the ANZAC monument, roughly towards the Mediteranean Sea, a total distance of 6.67km. At the same time, in the direct North corner of Gaza, Israeli troops led by a tank division are working down the beach. 100 sqaure KM's are now in that Northern Gaza area about to be encircled by the IDF. Just the facts, ma'am. 

 

[bishopshodan]

6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s a fake map with no relevance to any conversation. Not sure why he keeps posting it. 

 

Oh thanks, I wondered about this map.

 

I thought it showed settlement lands taken back from the Palestinians or something. 

[Elias Pettersson]

39 minutes ago, MightyCPC said:

Jerusalem was Jewish in King David's day. Historical maps are relevant as props to support bias. 

 

[Bob Long]

14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s a fake map with no relevance to any conversation. Not sure why he keeps posting it. 

 

I'm genuinely curious about it's origin tho. I don't understand what it's message is.

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

I'm genuinely curious about it's origin tho. I don't understand what it's message is.

I just found this...

 

https://left.eu/eu-denunciation-not-enough-to-stop-israeli-annexation-drive/

The newly-formed coalition government in Israel, agreed following three consecutive general elections, has designated the 1st of July as the start date of the process for formal annexation of large swathes of the Palestinian West Bank. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 

[Warhippy]

54 minutes ago, MightyCPC said:

Jerusalem was Jewish in King David's day. Historical maps are relevant as props to support bias. 

And Ukraine was Russia not 33 years ago but 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Warhippy

[Optimist Prime]

10 minutes ago

An Israeli army soldier who was kidnapped into Gaza was rescued during a ground operation. She is in stable condition

[RomanPer]

5 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

 

Came across this funny comment on the internet. "Please pass to the Dagestanis that this is how planes with Jews look like"

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s a fake map with no relevance to any conversation. Not sure why he keeps posting it. 

Pretty clear that there is agenda with that poster. 

[Optimist Prime]

59 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

And Ukraine was Russia not 33 years ago but 

Correct, Ukraine was not russia 303 years ago give or take 10%

[Bob Long]

55 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

And Ukraine was Russia not 33 years ago but 

 

I think you mean USSR? 

 

I had a first hand account from my great grandmother about what it was like to lose her farm to Stalin.

 

And I'll preempt the ',but Palestine' reply, Ukraine is a functioning democracy and an ally. And please don't compare Gaza to what happened for Stalin to achieve what he wanted.

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

I just found this...

 

https://left.eu/eu-denunciation-not-enough-to-stop-israeli-annexation-drive/

The newly-formed coalition government in Israel, agreed following three consecutive general elections, has designated the 1st of July as the start date of the process for formal annexation of large swathes of the Palestinian West Bank. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 

 

funny, its from two left Spanish EU members. I wonder how they view Catalonia? 

 

Still not clear on the map tho, and what its really suggesting. That Palestine was a functioning country in 1946? or ?

[RomanPer]

59 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

I think you mean USSR? 

 

I had a first hand account from my great grandmother about what it was like to lose her farm to Stalin.

 

And I'll preempt the ',but Palestine' reply, Ukraine is a functioning democracy and an ally. And please don't compare Gaza to what happened for Stalin to achieve what he wanted.

 

In his mind "Russia" = "USSR", which is straight out of putin propaganda books. He ignores the fact that ancient Rus was founded in Kyiv (hence the name Kyivan Rus), ancient Rus coat of arms was a Trident, ancient Rus currency was hryvnia. When Kyiv already had relationships with Europe and daughter of Kyiv prince Yaroslav, Anne, was a queen of France after marrying Henry I when Moscow didn't even exist. In the meantime, the coat of arms of Moscovia is a 2-headed eagle with its roots in the Golden Horde... But hey, why have facts kill a cool story, right?  

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, RomanPer said:

 

In his mind "Russia" = "USSR", which is straight out of putin propaganda books. He ignores the fact that ancient Rus was founded in Kyiv (hence the name Kyivan Rus), ancient Rus coat of arms was a Trident, ancient Rus currency was hryvnia. When Kyiv already had relationships with Europe and daughter of Kyiv prince Yaroslav, Anne, was a queen of France after marrying Henry I when Moscow didn't even exist. In the meantime, the coat of arms of Moscovia is a 2-headed eagle with its roots in the Golden Horde... But hey, why have facts kill a cool story, right?  

in "his mind"

 

Don't do that son.

 

The people here conflate military victory or some sort of historical claim as to why epxnasion and settlements are justified.  If we're holding that as the metric of justification then we also have to accept that Crimea and Donbas belong to Russia based on historical past and 2014 and there's no argument otherwise without looking like a blatant hypocrite.

 

Nothing more.  Don't put words in my mouth son

 

Edit* So much for "not paying attention to that so called hippy" You can't quit me can ya?

[Taxi]

4 hours ago, moosehead said:

 

A picture is worth 1000 words......

 

This is a map of 4 entirely different things:

 

1. The first map shows the areas where Jews were a majority and owned land. You can see that in 1946, Jews already had a majority along the coast and in Jerusalem, which is where present day Israel largely is. The green areas are not areas under Arab control, but just the areas outside of the Jewish settlements, the entire map was under the control of the British. Neither Jews or Arabs had any kind of sovereign political control of any area in that map. The green area would have also included vacant land and land owned by land barons who did not live in the area, which was common of the Ottoman Empire.

2. This map shows the partition plan. As you can see, it primarily gives Jews control over areas they already owned and the Nagev desert, which was and is primarily uninhabited and uninhabitable, as it's a desert. The Arabs rejected this partition.

3. This map shows the cease fire lines after the 1949 war. Of note, the Arabs threw all Jews out of their territories. The green areas were not called "Palestine". The West Bank was annexed by Jordan. All Arab citizens of the West Bank were given Jordanian citizenship, until it was revoked, starting in 1988 when Jordan gave up its claim to the West Bank. The Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt.

4. This map shows the areas under full control of the Palestinian Authority pursuant to the Oslo Accords. This was meant to be a non-permanent situation that gave immediate control of some areas to the PA, until negotiations were completed. The peace process has since broken down. At the Taba Summit, in 2001, the Israeli side was 97% of the West Bank with possible compensation of land inside Israel for the remaining 3%. During peace talks in 2007/08, Israel offered the Palestinians 93.7% of the West Bank, with compensation of land inside Israel for the rest. There have been no serious talks since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip and declared that they would never enter into a permanent peace agreement with Israel, all existing agreements were invalid, and that they would never recognize Israel.