Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 There is no negotiating with terrorists. Hamas wants the complete destruction of Israel and to wipe it off the earth. Therefore, Israel has every right to protect itself against these terrorists. If people want this war to end then Hamas must be taken out of power. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Hamas leader calls for the complete destruction of Israel… You do realize that Israel over the last 20 years has also been moving toward the complete destruction of the Palestinians.... right ? It is 2 totalitarian regimes both committing attrocities against each others civilians. Sickening. Really requires moderates on both sides to get in power to start reconciliation. Edited November 2, 2023 by moosehead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Squirter said: When one refuses to look at the evidence pouring in every day of the outright murder of whole neighborhoods by dropping precision air strikes, that amounts to collective punishment of civilians not condemning these attacks is ignoring the truth and creating one’s own reality in the guise of self defence while they act as the perpetrators and also the victims. Denial and playing the victims role will get one only so far. They killed one of ours so let’s kill 1 child every 10 minutes to show them who we are, totally truthful and realistic. A top UN human rights official, who resigned over the body’s handling of the war in Gaza, has told Al Jazeera that Israel’s actions in Gaza amount to “genocide”. “Usually the most difficult part of proving genocide is intent, because there has to be an intention to destroy in whole or, in part, a particular group. In this case, the intent by Israeli leaders has been so explicitly stated and publicly stated by the prime minister, by the president, by senior cabinet ministers, by military leaders, that that is an easy case to make,” Craig Mokhiber told Al Jazeera’s Gabriel Elizondo. “It’s on the public record.” This is correct. I wonder what excuse Nentanyahu's supporters will make about this. 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Hamas leader calls for the complete destruction of Israel… Israeli officials and ambassadors are on record saying the same thing about wanting to destroy Gaza. Edited November 2, 2023 by Super19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirter Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: There is no negotiating with genocidal terrorists. Israel wants the complete destruction of Gaza and to wipe it off the earth as they appear to be by carpet striking. Therefore, Gazans have every right to protect itself against these terrorists. If people want this war to end then Israeli government must be taken out of power. Fixed that for you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Super19 said: This is correct. I wonder what excuse Nentanyahu's supporters will make about this. Israeli officials and ambassadors are on record saying the same thing about wanting to destroy Gaza. Gaza is where the terrorists live. Unless they are wiped out then there really isn’t much Israel can do. There is no peace plan with the terrorists. You can’t negotiate with them because they don’t want to negotiate. All they want is the complete destruction of Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Super19 said: This is correct. I wonder what excuse Nentanyahu's supporters will make about this. Israeli officials and ambassadors are on record saying the same thing about wanting to destroy Gaza. I truly believe we will see Israeli government leaders and top IDF military staff charged and convicted of War Crimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Israel is where the terrorists live. Unless they are wiped out then there really isn’t much Palentstians can do. There is no peace plan with the terrorists. You can’t negotiate with them because they don’t want to negotiate. All they want is the complete destruction of Palestinians.. Fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Squirter said: Fixed that for you. Who started this war? If you start a war but can’t finish it then that’s your problem. So you really didn’t fix anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirter Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Israël is where the terrorists live. Unless they are wiped out then there really isn’t much Gaza can do. There is no peace plan with the terrorists. You can’t negotiate with them because they don’t want to negotiate. All they want is the complete destruction of Gaza. You’re welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, moosehead said: Fixed it for you. Have the United Nations declared the Israeli government terrorists? Who in the international community has declared the Israeli government terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirter Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Who started this war? If you start a war but can’t finish it then that’s your problem. So you really didn’t fix anything. Israel has been killing gazans for many years before this reignited conflict. The victim role is expired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Squirter said: Israel has been killing gazans for many years before this reignited conflict. The victim role is expired. And Hamas has been dropping bombs on Israel for 17 years. They have every right to defend themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirter Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Have the United Nations declared the Israeli government terrorists? Who in the international community has declared the Israeli government terrorists? Every international body has called Israel to be in violation of humanitarian law. It’s not that hard to understand unless you choose to remain ignorant to the truths and realities which you are choosing to do. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) UN Lunacy On Display As Iran Becomes Chair Of UN Human Rights Council (lawfuel.com) Iran becomes the chair of the UN Humans rights council after murdering Armita Geravand among many offences. Yet many posters here speak like the UN is such an esteemed organization. Mystery injury turns fatal for Iranian teen not wearing headscarf on subway, says state media | CBC News Edited November 2, 2023 by bolt 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Have the United Nations declared the Israeli government terrorists? Who in the international community has declared the Israeli government terrorists? Looking forward to seeing Israeli politicians and IDF military officials being arrested and charged as war criminals.... Allegations of genocide Main article: Palestinian genocide accusation § Discourse on the 2023 Israel–Hamas war On 17 October, 10 days after the start of the war, 880 scholars of international law and genocide signed a public statement saying: "As scholars and practitioners of international law, conflict studies, and genocide studies, we are compelled to sound the alarm about the possibility of the crime of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip."[293] The statement called on UN bodies, including the UN Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect, as well as the Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court to "immediately intervene, to carry out the necessary investigations, and invoke the necessary warning procedures to protect the Palestinian population from genocide."[293] On 19 October 2023, amid the 2023 Hamas–Israel war, 100 civil society organizations and six genocide scholars sent a letter to Karim Khan, Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, calling on him to issue arrest warrants to Israeli officials for cases already before the prosecutor; to investigate the new crimes committed in the Palestinian territories, including incitement to genocide, since 7 October; to issue a preventative statement against war crimes; and to remind all states of their obligations under international law.[294] The letter noted that Israeli officials, in their statements, had indicated "clear intent to commit war crimes, crimes against humanity and incitement to commit genocide, using dehumanizing language to describe Palestinians." The six specialist genocide scholars that signed the document were Raz Segal, Barry Trachtenberg, Robert McNeil, Damien Short, Taner Akçam and Victoria Sanford.[294] The same day, lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights stated that Israel's tactics were "calculated to destroy the Palestinian population in Gaza", and warned the Biden administration that “U.S. officials can be held responsible for their failure to prevent Israel’s unfolding genocide, as well as for their complicity, by encouraging it and materially supporting it."[295] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes#2021_Israel–Palestine_crisis Edited November 2, 2023 by moosehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, bolt said: Where were you when ISIS was launched and beheaded tens of thousands of Arabs in Iraq, Libya, and Syria in the name of Islam? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you when Arab dictators and terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you in the last decade when Saudi Arabia, backed by 8 Arab countries, killed 400,000 Yemenis, I did not see many people condemning the terror and calling for a ”ceasefire” while Arab countries were slaughtering their own? Why are some of you silent on those issues but are out in force condemning the jews? Why is it easier for you this time? Where were you when I started this thread about the largest humanitarian crisis on the planet in Yemen on CDC ? https://forum.canucks.com/topic/408904-the-largest-humanitarian-crisis-on-this-planet/ Were you a member of CDC ? Edited November 2, 2023 by Ilunga 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Military officials declared Wednesday that Israeli forces had breached Hamas’s first line of defense and were approaching Gaza City, saying the deaths of 16 soldiers this week in and near Gaza were a “heavy price.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-troops-breach-hamas-defenses-approach-gaza-city-anti-tank-missile-chief-slain/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: There is no negotiating with terrorists. Hamas wants the complete destruction of Israel and to wipe it off the earth. Therefore, Israel has every right to protect itself against these terrorists. If people want this war to end then Hamas must be taken out of power. There's never been a better example of the pot calling the kettle black. Israel is a terrorist state. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guntrix Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Have the United Nations declared the Israeli government terrorists? Who in the international community has declared the Israeli government terrorists? This is a disingenuous statement. If you knew how the United Nations worked, you'd know there's absolutely no chance of the UN calling Israel a terrorist state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Canuckle said: There's never been a better example of the pot calling the kettle black. Israel is a terrorist state. So is the USA, have any of their Presidents been charged with war crimes? Edited November 2, 2023 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Guntrix said: This is a disingenuous statement. If you knew how the United Nations worked, you'd know there's absolutely no chance of the UN calling Israel a terrorist state. So who is the supreme power then that gets to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't? The Canadian government has deemed Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. They have not identified the Israeli government as a terrorist group. Neither has the UN. So who gets to decide? CDC posters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So who is the supreme power then that gets to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't? The Canadian government has deemed Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. They have not identified the Israeli government as a terrorist group. Neither has the UN. So who gets to decide? CDC posters? The United Nations has said “there is already clear evidence that war crimes may have been committed” by Hamas and the Israeli military since 7 October and that it is gathering evidence for potential prosecutions. Israel has not ratified certain protocols in the conventions covering areas such as collective punishments, but the US and other countries regard these provisions as having entered customary international law and therefore binding on all states. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply Edited November 2, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirter Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So who is the supreme power then that gets to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't? The Canadian government has deemed Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. They have not identified the Israeli government as a terrorist group. Neither has the UN. So who gets to decide? CDC posters? Stop mincing words. As a state that is systematically practicing capital punishment they have been breaking international humanitarian laws therefore terrorizing the entire population in the process. It’s pretty simple to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So who is the supreme power then that gets to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't? The Canadian government has deemed Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. They have not identified the Israeli government as a terrorist group. Neither has the UN. So who gets to decide? CDC posters? The UN also said that Israel may be committing the war crime of collective punishment through its siege of the Gaza territory. The International Committee of the Red Cross agreed. “The instructions issued by the Israeli authorities for the population of Gaza City to immediately leave their homes, coupled with the complete siege, explicitly denying them food, water and electricity are not compatible with international humanitarian law,” it said. Amnesty International said it has “documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes”. Human Rights Watch said that “multiple war crimes have been and continue to be committed in Israel and Palestine, with grave concerns that Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups are carrying out unlawful indiscriminate attacks harming civilians”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guntrix Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So who is the supreme power then that gets to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't? The Canadian government has deemed Hamas, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. They have not identified the Israeli government as a terrorist group. Neither has the UN. So who gets to decide? CDC posters? Again, calling for the UN to say something they'll never say is arguing in bad faith. Israel is not only part of the 193 UN Member States but their position is strongly represented in the P5 through the United States. Gutérres coming out tomorrow and calling Israel a terrorist state would get him fired in a matter of days. For reference, Palestine isn't even part of the 193 state membership as they've only been granted observer status. They can't even take part in United Nations General Assembly voting. Israel is one of Canada's strongest allies. Don't you think it's natural for Canada to not call Israel terrorists? You simply can't throw out facts and diplomatic ties when making these statements. These things matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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