Hamas attacking Israel

[moosehead]

Just now, King Heffy said:

One is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.  One is not.  Extermination of Hamas needs to be the priority.

 

One is a terrorist organization

One is a state that practises ethnic cleansing / apartheid /  genocide. 

 

2 sides of the same coin.  Lock up both sides leaders in the same prison. 

[moosehead]

3 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

This post encapsulates why you can't be taken that  seriously. 

You are totally biased.

 

coming from you that is truly hilarious.....

 

I am one of the few here that see both sides responsiblities  to this conflict.

 

You....    ah....  not so much. 

Edited November 3, 2023 by moosehead

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

One is a terrorist organization

One is a state that practises ethnic cleansing / apartheid /  genocide. 

 

2 sides of the same coin.  Lock up both sides leaders in the same prison. 

I'm good with sending Bibi to the Hague but any member of Hamas that's found needs to be executed on the spot.

[moosehead]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

I'm good with sending Bibi to the Hague but any member of Hamas that's found needs to be executed on the spot.

 

Well now we have found some common ground.   People that harm women and kids do not deserve to live, that is for sure..

Edited November 3, 2023 by moosehead

[Alflives]

Just now, moosehead said:

 

Well now we have found some common ground. 

Add to Bibi (should be hanged) all his supporters and all Hamas. And hand all those bastards who are teaching children to hate. 

[King Heffy]

Just now, moosehead said:

 

Well now we have found some common ground. 

It still doesn't mean that Israeli leadership are as bad as Hamas.  Israel's government has some value to their population.  Hamas has absolutely zero value to anyone.

[JIAHN]

3 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

One is a terrorist organization

One is a state that practises ethnic cleansing / apartheid /  genocide. 

 

2 sides of the same coin.  Lock up both sides leaders in the same prison. 

 

Ok......

 

1  ethnic cleansing............there are 2 million Palestinians living inside Israel......................they are not being moved out..........they are part of Israel's society

2. apartheid......................see answer number 1

3. genocide?......................They do not hunt down Palestinians and liquidate them on mass,.............as a matter of fact, Israel seldom fires the first shot!

 

Geesh! 

[moosehead]

Just now, King Heffy said:

It still doesn't mean that Israeli leadership are as bad as Hamas.  Israel's government has some value to their population.  Hamas has absolutely zero value to anyone.

 

 I don't differentiate in levels of evil .  

[King Heffy]

Just now, moosehead said:

 

 I don't differentiate in levels of evil .  

When you're saying the two are literally equal, you're implying otherwise.

[moosehead]

3 minutes ago, JIAHN said:

 

Ok......

 

1  ethnic cleansing............there are 2 million Palestinians living inside Israel......................they are not being moved out..........they are part of Israel's society

2. apartheid......................see answer number 1

3. genocide?......................They do not hunt down Palestinians and liquidate them on mass,.............as a matter of fact, Israel seldom fires the first shot!

 

Geesh! 

 

Occupation

Oppression

Different classes of citizenship

Internment

Arrests / Incarceration  without charges.

Confiscation of Land

Demolishing palestinian homes

 

 

geesh...

Executing palestian youth.

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by moosehead

[JIAHN]

1 minute ago, moosehead said:

 

Occupation

Oppression

Different classes of citizenship

Interment

Arrests / Incarceration  without charges.

Confiscation of Land

Demolishing palestinian homes

Executing palestian youth.

 

I was good with the list until the last one

 

So, Israeli forces just arbitrarily execute Palestinian youth for no apparent reason......not doing a thing....just standing there

 

Just drive the streets looking for Palestinian youth to shoot............???????????

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Occupation

Oppression

Different classes of citizenship

Internment

Arrests / Incarceration  without charges.

Confiscation of Land

Demolishing palestinian homes

 

 

geesh...

Executing palestian youth.

 

Hamas is evil and must be stamped out. (But not at all cost)

Hatted is evil and must be stamped out. (At all cost) We are doomed if we don’t. 

[JIAHN]

@moosehead

 

Don't think for 1 second, I think Israel is squeaky clean..............far from it!

 

World biggest hypocrites! 

[moosehead]

1 minute ago, JIAHN said:

I was good with the list until the last one

 

So, Israeli forces just arbitrarily execute Palestinian youth for no apparent reason......not doing a thing....just standing there

 

Just drive the streets looking for Palestinian youth to shoot............???????????

 

Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. This compounded the impact of a 15-year ongoing Israeli blockade that amounts to illegal collective punishment and further fragments Palestinian territory. Israel escalated its crackdown on Palestinians’ freedom of association. It also imposed arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement and closures that amounted to collective punishment, mainly in the northern West Bank, ostensibly in response to armed attacks by Palestinians on Israeli soldiers and settlers.

 

The year saw a rise in the number of Palestinians unlawfully killed and seriously injured by Israeli forces during raids in the West Bank.

 

Administrative detentions of Palestinians hit a 14-year high, and torture and other ill-treatment continued. Israeli forces demolished al-Araqib village in the Negev/Naqab for the 211th time. A further 35 Palestinian-Bedouin towns in Israel were still denied formal recognition and residents faced possible forcible transfer. Authorities failed to process asylum claims for thousands of asylum seekers, and imposed restrictions on their right to work.

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

[moosehead]

2 minutes ago, JIAHN said:

@moosehead

 

Don't think for 1 second, I think Israel is squeaky clean..............far from it!

 

World biggest hypocrites! 

 

West Bank

Israeli forces killed 151 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and injured 9,875, according to OCHA-OPT, amid a surge of military incursions that involved excessive use of force, including unlawful killings and apparent extrajudicial executions.⁴ Defense for Children International-Palestine reported that Israeli forces or settlers killed 36 children across the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

 

On 11 May, Israeli soldiers killed Shirin Abu Akleh, a Palestinian-US Al Jazeera correspondent, and injured her colleague, while they were covering an Israeli army raid in Jenin Camp. In September, the Israeli authorities admitted that an Israeli soldier “likely” killed the journalist but concluded that no criminal offence had been committed.

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

[JIAHN]

@moosehead

 

Yes, it is a fkn mess

We all get your point

No one disagrees with the abuse of common Palestinians

But Hamas constantly pushes the envelope

Now they have poked the bear too hard

and everyone is suffering for it

But Israel's target is not common people

Their target is Hamas

Common people are in the way because of where Hamas hides

That is on Hamas

And it is on the Palestinian people for allowing them to do it

 

It is just a terrible mess, and the hate that is taught is just sad!

It is passed on generation to generation

Both sides..................

 

But if this was Hamas's goal as you said, then this is Hamas's fault

Regardless of why...........

 

And at the end of the day.............Israel may not stop until the place is leveled, regardless of what anyone thinks

 

And if Hamas continues to hide in the cities..........it will not matter what anyone says

 

This will not end well.......period! For anyone!

 

 

We can only hope!

 

 

 

[Alflives]

Just now, JIAHN said:

@moosehead

 

Yes, it is a fkn mess

We all get your point

No one disagrees with the abuse of common Palestinians

But Hamas constantly pushes the envelope

Now they have poked the bear too hard

and everyone is suffering for it

But Israel's target is not common people

Their target is Hamas

Common people are in the way because of where Hamas hides

That is on Hamas

And it is on the Palestinian people for allowing them to do it

 

It is just a terrible mess, and the hate that is taught is just sad!

It is passed on generation to generation

Both sides..................

 

But if this was Hamas's goal as you said, then this is Hamas's fault

Regardless of why...........

 

And at the end of the day.............Israel may not stop until the place is leveled, regardless of what anyone thinks

 

And if Hamas continues to hide in the cities..........it will not matter what anyone says

 

This will not end well.......period! For anyone!

 

 

Very wise post JAIN. 

Do we in the western world just see courage v cowardice differently than people like the Hsmas? 

[JIAHN]

Just now, Alflives said:

Very wise post JAIN. 

Do we in the western world just see courage v cowardice differently than people like the Hsmas? 

 

I will say this Alf

 

We may not recognize Desperation

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, JIAHN said:

 

I will say this Alf

 

We may not recognize Desperation

True enough. We live blessed lives. Hamas leaders are billionaires but they have a way to manipulate those who follow  them. 

[JIAHN]

@Alflives

 

Think about this question Alf

 

Would you not die to save your children?

[Alflives]

Just now, JIAHN said:

@Alflives

 

Think about this question Alf

 

Would you not die to save your children?

Yup. But would we die to save our children if it meant being a coward who brutally murders other people’s children? 
IMHAO it’s a coward who does what Hamas did on October 7. Fight man up against a soldier. Attacking women snd kids is shay a coward does. Why not nut up? 

[Optimist Prime]

13 minutes ago, JIAHN said:

@Alflives

 

Think about this question Alf

 

Would you not die to save your children?

You misunderstand Hamas: they will martyr their children to further their goal of annihilating Israel. 

 

It is incredibly sad because it is purely delusional thinking, but there it is.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

You misunderstand Hamas: they will martyr their children to further their goal of annihilating Israel. 

 

It is incredibly sad because it is purely delusional thinking, but there it is.

And from a normal pov Hamas isn’t martyring their children but rather murdering and cowardly hiding behind them. 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Alflives

[RomanPer]

1 hour ago, JIAHN said:

I was good with the list until the last one

 

So, Israeli forces just arbitrarily execute Palestinian youth for no apparent reason......not doing a thing....just standing there

 

Just drive the streets looking for Palestinian youth to shoot............???????????

 

Did he say “different classes of citizenship”? Lol, he just makes shit up on the fly. Let me call an Israeli Palestinian doctor who works in Beer Sheva hospital and treats both Jews and Arabs alike (and who treated my father and made sure his last days were as comfortable as possible) and tell him he is second class citizen. He will have a good laugh about it. What a bunch of crap from someone who only reads some one-sided online sources and treats them as absolute truth and facts. Also, let’s ask @Optimist Prime - I’m sure he’s aware of countless cases of Syrian citizens being taken to Israel hospitals for treatment at the height of the war in Syria. Yeah, it’s the “apartheid” country and practices “ethnic cleansing”. Completely biased point of view, completely ignoring realities of a very complex relationships on the ground. Makes my blood boil…

Edited November 3, 2023 by RomanPer

[Optimist Prime]

48 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

Did he say “different classes of citizenship”? Lol, he just makes shit up on the fly. Let me call an Israeli Palestinian doctor who works in Beer Sheva hospital and treats both Jews and Arabs alike (and who treated my father and made sure his last days were as comfortable as possible) and tell him he is second class citizen. He will have a good laugh about it. What a bunch of crap from someone who only reads some one-sided online sources and treats them as absolute truth and facts. Also, let’s ask @Optimist Prime - I’m sure he’s aware of countless cases of Syrian citizens being taken to Israel hospitals for treatment at the height of the war in Syria. Yeah, it’s the “apartheid” country and practices “ethnic cleansing”. Completely biased point of view, completely ignoring realities of a very complex relationships on the ground. Makes my blood boil…

You can still see Israel takes out IRGC elements in Syria, not necessarily Syrian Armed Forces. 

 

Despite recent headlines, Israel has historically demonstrated restraint, and it has paid off with treaty after treaty; Egypt, Jordan, many others, the most recent was about to be signed moments after the Unprovoced attack from Hamas, unprovoked because relations were normalizing between the Arab world and Israel, something hamas couldn't stand by and watch happen.