Hamas attacking Israel

[RomanPer]

38 minutes ago, Super19 said:

The IDF should just do a massive ground invasion and kill Hamas more tactically. If Hamas is in a hospital, or refugee camp, send out teams to infiltrate and eliminate just Hamas. It's too brutal to just airstrike because we are seeing too many children die. 

Or these two groups just need to figure it out and live in peace.

How about you get your professional advice straight from your keyboard to the field and show us how it’s done? Incredible, how people who came closest to a gun maybe on a shooting range think they are qualified to give military operational advice from their high moral grounds…

[RomanPer]

57 minutes ago, Super19 said:

 Until then he currently has the green light to do whatever he wants. Where is the uproar against Nentanyahu? Is it not inherently bad that children are being destroyed? No matter the reason for killing these Gazan children, the blame is on the one who pulls the trigger. Over and over, day after day, which is what Nentanyahu is doing right now. It's incredibly sad, with no end in sight.

Perhaps you should learn Hebrew and watch daily TV programming from Israel - you’ll see plenty of uproar against him. At the same time, the actual “bill payment” on his part will come after the war is over. Have you ever heard a phrase “Don’t change horses midstream”? The last thing Israel needs right now is political turmoil. Hence the new coalition with the opposition.

Edited November 3, 2023 by RomanPer

[JIAHN]

4 hours ago, Taxi said:

I definitely wouldn't build a military base under a school or hospital. I definitely wouldn't go door to door and kill infants hiding in safe houses. I don't see how the events of October 7 saved any children. The plan was only to stir up a military response from Israel, create more "martyrs", and then use those martyrs to create propaganda to perpetuate the conflict and keep Hamas in power and money.

 

Sorry.... Who was saving children?

 

The problem Taxi, is the anger was taught, it is in their being. It is who they are! It is their morning, noon and night! It is their passion. It is not something you wake up on, and say I hate. It has been handed down. Both Israeli's and Palestinians.

 

So, they act accordingly. Who throws the first stone, depends on which window you are looking out. 

 

My question was not one of Palestinian perspective, nor Israeli, but of either............because I would remember my whole life, to get my chance. I would respond not in kind, but a multiple of that. 

 

I am sure no one knows who started the hate, I only know it exists on both side...........

 

IMO, Israel realizes that this will continue for ever, if not checked. Their definition of "Checked" is to kill them all............You can not blame them anymore than the hate that is felt from Hamas..........

 

And absolutely do not get this wrong..........I condone none of this, and wish for peace eternal

[Warhippy]

8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Quinn Hughes mother is Jewish I believe.  If our beloved moosehead ever showed up to the Hughes home, we would probably never see him again.  Maybe someone should send him an invite to the Hughes home to talk about the war with the family...

So because someone is jewish they will automatically hate someone with strong views against Israeli policy or response ?

 

Seems a bit of a blanket statement you'd be making for millions of people of the jewish faith word wide who have expressed views against what Israeli policy has become and the hundreds of thousands within Israel with the same views.

 

Fascinating bit of assumptions being made here lately

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Super19 said:

The IDF should just do a massive ground invasion and kill Hamas more tactically. If Hamas is in a hospital, or refugee camp, send out teams to infiltrate and eliminate just Hamas. It's too brutal to just airstrike because we are seeing too many children die. 

Or these two groups just need to figure it out and live in peace.

 

What evidence do we have that the IDF isn't doing all it can to minimize casualties?

[Warhippy]

Before and after images of the effects of air strikes against palestinian targets.

 

 

The northern districts of Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun have been under especially heavy fire, since Israel expanded its ground operations in Gaza on Friday. But even before then, neighbourhoods there have been hit and are now in various states of collapse.

 

 

Israel's latest strikes have included the heavily populated area of Jabalia set up as a refugee camp in 1948. At least 195 Palestinians were killed in the two strikes there on Tuesday and Wednesday, the Hamas-run media office said. Israel, which accuses Hamas of hiding behind civilians, said it killed two Hamas military leaders in Jabalia.

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Warhippy

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Before and after images of the effects of air strikes against palestinian targets.

 

 

 

Did these come with any more context? I'd like to know what was there, e.g. were these major tunnel spots, etc. 

[Warhippy]

An Israeli government document suggesting the mass relocation of Gaza's 2.3 million people to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula is fuelling concerns about the possible ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

The leaked document, first reported in Israeli media, was compiled by an Israeli government research agency known as the Intelligence Ministry and was dated Oct. 13 — six days after Hamas led deadly attacks on Israel and the Israeli government declared war against the Palestinian militant group, which controls Gaza.

Although not a binding policy, it has deepened long-standing Egyptian fears that Israel wants to make Gaza into Egypt's problem and revived Palestinians' memories of the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people who fled or were forced from their homes during the fighting surrounding Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to as the Nakba, the Arabic word for catastrophe.

"What happened in 1948 will not be allowed to happen again," Nabil Abu Rudeineh, spokesperson for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, told The Associated Press in reaction to the paper.

He said a mass displacement of Palestinians would be "tantamount to declaring a new war."

A long-term plan

A Hebrew-English translation of the document, published by the Israeli website +972 Magazine, outlined three options regarding the civilian population of Gaza.

One would see the civilians remain in Gaza under the rule of the Palestinian Authority — which was ejected from Gaza after a weeklong 2007 war that put Hamas in power — while the second suggested an attempt to establish "a local Arab non-Islamist political leadership" to govern the population.

Neither of these options were considered feasible strategies to create ideological change and deter future militancy against Israel.

The third option, the evacuation of civilians in Gaza to Sinai, would "yield positive, long-term strategic outcomes for Israel," the document stated.

The proposal does not indicate this would be a temporary relocation.

"In the first stage, tent cities will be established in the area of Sinai," it reads. "The next stage includes the establishment of a humanitarian zone to assist the civilian population of Gaza and the construction of cities in a resettled area in northern Sinai."

Growing sentiment about Gaza

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office played down the report as a hypothetical exercise, saying it was a "concept paper, the likes of which are prepared at all levels of the government and its security agencies."

But the paper does not exist in isolation.

An Israeli think-tank, the Misgav Institute for National Security and Zionist Strategy, released a paper inferring the situation presented "a unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the whole Gaza Strip in co-ordination with the Egyptian government."

"At the moment, these conditions exist, and it is unclear when such an opportunity will arise again, if at all," reads a Hebrew-English translation published by the website Mondoweiss.

Israeli officials and other political figures have openly expressed similar sentiments, according to an article from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The question of ethnic cleansing

Pushing Palestinians out of Gaza into Sinai would be "ethnic cleansing," said Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, a Palestinian physician and politician.

He believes there is no chance they would ever be allowed to return and that it would set "a very dangerous precedent" for all Palestinians.

"The ultimate goal will not only be ethnic cleansing of Gaza, but also of the West Bank," he told CBC News. "We already see terrorist settlers' attacks on Palestinian communities in the West Bank."

Ethnic cleansing is a term that emerged during the war in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

The United Nations describes it as "a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

It is not recognized as an independent crime under international law. Attributes of ethnic cleansing — including murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture and rape, among others — can, however, constitute other crimes under international law, such as crimes against humanity or genocide

Israeli-American historian Gil Troy, a history professor at McGill University in Montreal, cautions against the suggestion that Israel plans to "transfer" Palestinians out of Gaza, saying the concept paper is "not even a plan that is being actioned, but simply it's a thought."

But Troy said he thinks a loss of some territory in Gaza isn't out of the question.

"I think in the wake of the savagery of Oct. 7, Israel has to create a much bigger buffer zone between the Gazans and the Israelis on the Gaza corridor," he said.

"That's not about ethnic cleansing, that's about creating territorial defence."

The Israeli government says Hamas-led militants killed more than 1,400 civilians and soldiers in the surprise assault on Israeli communities more than three weeks ago, and took 240 people hostage. More than 8,700 Palestinians have been killed, and nearly 2,000 more have been reported missing, since Israel began attacking the Gaza Strip, according to the territory's Hamas-run Health Ministry.

Under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, Israel has the "inherent right" to defend itself against an armed attack, but several human rights groups have alleged that violations of international humanitarian law, and possibly war crimes, have been committed on both sides.

On Wednesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau reiterated that right of self-defence and "unequivocally" condemned Hamas, but he expressed strong concerns.

"The price of justice cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians," he said. 

Marketing mass displacement 

Whether or not Israel can or will carry out such a plan, the leaked document argued there would be a need to win over international support for a relocation of Palestinians.

It suggests relying on "large advertising agencies" to promote messaging to Western nations "in a way that does not incite or vilify Israel" but instead focuses on "assisting the Palestinian brothers and rehabilitating them, even at the price of a tone that rebukes or even harms Israel."

At the same time, campaigns would be needed to "motivate" Gaza residents to accept the plan by pinning the loss of land on Hamas and "making it clear that there is no hope of returning to the territories Israel will soon occupy, whether or not that is true."

As for Egypt and other regional countries that may have to bear the brunt of a mass deportation of Palestinians, the document proposes incentives, including financial assistance for Egypt, specifically, to aid its current economic crisis.

Egypt's president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, has said a mass influx of refugees from Gaza would eliminate the Palestinian nationalist cause. It would also risk bringing militants into Sinai, where they might launch attacks on Israel, he said.

Egypt has long feared that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into its territory, as happened during the war surrounding Israel's independence. Egypt ruled Gaza between 1948 and 1967, when Israel captured the territory, along with the West Bank and east Jerusalem. 

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Did these come with any more context? I'd like to know what was there, e.g. were these major tunnel spots, etc. 

Adding context now

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Did these come with any more context? I'd like to know what was there, e.g. were these major tunnel spots, etc. 

Adding context now

[Bob Long]

15 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

An Israeli government document suggesting the mass relocation of Gaza's 2.3 million people to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula is fuelling concerns about the possible ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

The leaked document, first reported in Israeli media, was compiled by an Israeli government research agency known as the Intelligence Ministry and was dated Oct. 13 — six days after Hamas led deadly attacks on Israel and the Israeli government declared war against the Palestinian militant group, which controls Gaza.

Although not a binding policy, it has deepened long-standing Egyptian fears that Israel wants to make Gaza into Egypt's problem and revived Palestinians' memories of the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people who fled or were forced from their homes during the fighting surrounding Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to as the Nakba, the Arabic word for catastrophe.

"What happened in 1948 will not be allowed to happen again," Nabil Abu Rudeineh, spokesperson for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, told The Associated Press in reaction to the paper.

He said a mass displacement of Palestinians would be "tantamount to declaring a new war."

A long-term plan

A Hebrew-English translation of the document, published by the Israeli website +972 Magazine, outlined three options regarding the civilian population of Gaza.

One would see the civilians remain in Gaza under the rule of the Palestinian Authority — which was ejected from Gaza after a weeklong 2007 war that put Hamas in power — while the second suggested an attempt to establish "a local Arab non-Islamist political leadership" to govern the population.

Neither of these options were considered feasible strategies to create ideological change and deter future militancy against Israel.

The third option, the evacuation of civilians in Gaza to Sinai, would "yield positive, long-term strategic outcomes for Israel," the document stated.

The proposal does not indicate this would be a temporary relocation.

"In the first stage, tent cities will be established in the area of Sinai," it reads. "The next stage includes the establishment of a humanitarian zone to assist the civilian population of Gaza and the construction of cities in a resettled area in northern Sinai."

Growing sentiment about Gaza

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office played down the report as a hypothetical exercise, saying it was a "concept paper, the likes of which are prepared at all levels of the government and its security agencies."

But the paper does not exist in isolation.

An Israeli think-tank, the Misgav Institute for National Security and Zionist Strategy, released a paper inferring the situation presented "a unique and rare opportunity to evacuate the whole Gaza Strip in co-ordination with the Egyptian government."

"At the moment, these conditions exist, and it is unclear when such an opportunity will arise again, if at all," reads a Hebrew-English translation published by the website Mondoweiss.

Israeli officials and other political figures have openly expressed similar sentiments, according to an article from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The question of ethnic cleansing

Pushing Palestinians out of Gaza into Sinai would be "ethnic cleansing," said Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, a Palestinian physician and politician.

He believes there is no chance they would ever be allowed to return and that it would set "a very dangerous precedent" for all Palestinians.

"The ultimate goal will not only be ethnic cleansing of Gaza, but also of the West Bank," he told CBC News. "We already see terrorist settlers' attacks on Palestinian communities in the West Bank."

Ethnic cleansing is a term that emerged during the war in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

The United Nations describes it as "a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas."

It is not recognized as an independent crime under international law. Attributes of ethnic cleansing — including murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture and rape, among others — can, however, constitute other crimes under international law, such as crimes against humanity or genocide

Israeli-American historian Gil Troy, a history professor at McGill University in Montreal, cautions against the suggestion that Israel plans to "transfer" Palestinians out of Gaza, saying the concept paper is "not even a plan that is being actioned, but simply it's a thought."

But Troy said he thinks a loss of some territory in Gaza isn't out of the question.

"I think in the wake of the savagery of Oct. 7, Israel has to create a much bigger buffer zone between the Gazans and the Israelis on the Gaza corridor," he said.

"That's not about ethnic cleansing, that's about creating territorial defence."

The Israeli government says Hamas-led militants killed more than 1,400 civilians and soldiers in the surprise assault on Israeli communities more than three weeks ago, and took 240 people hostage. More than 8,700 Palestinians have been killed, and nearly 2,000 more have been reported missing, since Israel began attacking the Gaza Strip, according to the territory's Hamas-run Health Ministry.

Under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, Israel has the "inherent right" to defend itself against an armed attack, but several human rights groups have alleged that violations of international humanitarian law, and possibly war crimes, have been committed on both sides.

On Wednesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau reiterated that right of self-defence and "unequivocally" condemned Hamas, but he expressed strong concerns.

"The price of justice cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians," he said. 

Marketing mass displacement 

Whether or not Israel can or will carry out such a plan, the leaked document argued there would be a need to win over international support for a relocation of Palestinians.

It suggests relying on "large advertising agencies" to promote messaging to Western nations "in a way that does not incite or vilify Israel" but instead focuses on "assisting the Palestinian brothers and rehabilitating them, even at the price of a tone that rebukes or even harms Israel."

At the same time, campaigns would be needed to "motivate" Gaza residents to accept the plan by pinning the loss of land on Hamas and "making it clear that there is no hope of returning to the territories Israel will soon occupy, whether or not that is true."

As for Egypt and other regional countries that may have to bear the brunt of a mass deportation of Palestinians, the document proposes incentives, including financial assistance for Egypt, specifically, to aid its current economic crisis.

Egypt's president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, has said a mass influx of refugees from Gaza would eliminate the Palestinian nationalist cause. It would also risk bringing militants into Sinai, where they might launch attacks on Israel, he said.

Egypt has long feared that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into its territory, as happened during the war surrounding Israel's independence. Egypt ruled Gaza between 1948 and 1967, when Israel captured the territory, along with the West Bank and east Jerusalem. 

 

Adding context now

Adding context now

 

 

Unfortunately I still don't see what these targets were. Or what the scale actually is in terms of habitable damage in Gaza - is this 1%5%20%?

 

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Bob Long

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

 

 

 

I just watched the video. Hamas is literally executing their own people. Women and children. 
 

Hamas needs to be completely destroyed. There will never be peace until these barbaric terrorists are gone from this earth. 

[Taxi]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

I just watched the video. Hamas is literally executing their own people. Women and children. 
 

Hamas needs to be completely destroyed. There will never be peace until these barbaric terrorists are gone from this earth. 

There were videos earlier of IEDs that Hamas had placed on highways leading out of the North. Hamas is a profit oriented racket. They need the citizens of Gaza to stay put so they can tax them and hide behind them.

[the destroyer of worlds]

I don't care if Hamas was allegedly using the ambulance.   Their bad behavior does not give justification for you.  Israel can and should do better.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/3/israel-hamas-war-live-israeli-forces-gather-outside-gaza-city

Israel-Hamas war live: Israeli strike hits Gaza medical convoy – officials

[King Heffy]

10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I just watched the video. Hamas is literally executing their own people. Women and children. 
 

Hamas needs to be completely destroyed. There will never be peace until these barbaric terrorists are gone from this earth. 

But according to some they are no different than the IDF so far.  Hamas needs to be exterminated for the benefit of the Palestinian civilians.  They have absolutely no value to anyone alive.

[Coconuts]

45 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Before and after images of the effects of air strikes against palestinian targets.

 

 

The northern districts of Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun have been under especially heavy fire, since Israel expanded its ground operations in Gaza on Friday. But even before then, neighbourhoods there have been hit and are now in various states of collapse.

 

 

Israel's latest strikes have included the heavily populated area of Jabalia set up as a refugee camp in 1948. At least 195 Palestinians were killed in the two strikes there on Tuesday and Wednesday, the Hamas-run media office said. Israel, which accuses Hamas of hiding behind civilians, said it killed two Hamas military leaders in Jabalia.

 

 

 

 

I was looking at contrasting footage in regards to bombing earlier this week

 

I'm curious as to who is going to finance any future rebuilding effort, or whether there will even be one 

[Bob Long]

So if I walk into a bank today with the intent to rob it, with a toddler strapped to my chest, should I expect to walk out with the money?

 

Edited November 3, 2023 by Bob Long

[Coconuts]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

 

 

[Bob Long]

28 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

I was looking at contrasting footage in regards to bombing earlier this week

 

I'm curious as to who is going to finance any future rebuilding effort, or whether there will even be one 

 

I'd suggest Iran pay for it.

[Bob Long]

I think its important to remember that its Hamas that has put children in both Gaza and Israel in harms way. With no action by Israel Hamas would continue to butcher people. its not even a debate. 

 

The choice isn't whether or not innocent civilians are going to be killed, because they are no matter what, thats the awful truth of this. The choice is how best to rid everyone of Hamas. 

 

While accusations are made before all the evidence is in, maybe take a moment to remember this? 

[Optimist Prime]

Israel has encircled the northern Gaza area, of roughly 100 square km's and taken and held ground, in steady advancements. 

This morning less than 80 square km's remained outside of Israeli control. This will take time, and cost blood and treasure, but Hamas will be finished in the North of Gaza.

What comes next? Perhaps a humanitarian corridor for women and children and the elderly/wounded to move north out of Southern Gaza, rinse and repeat?

 

edit: weapons siezed in Beit Hanoun, northern Gaza.

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

So if I walk into a bank today with the intent to rob it, with a toddler strapped to my chest, should I expect to walk out with the money?

 

Yes. 100%

They dont even push the button until you leave even without the baby. If there is immediate danger, someone has already been shot etc, then the button should be pressed but not just for the money. Wife was a teller for years and this was thier policy.

 

But I get your point.

However, I'm starting to feel that the term 'human shield ' should be used carefully ( not that you used that exact term) . 

Yes, these terrorists are using their kids in a disgusting way but those kids are still innocent. If the view point is that there is no other way to get Hamas without slaughtering their children, then that makes the combatants equaly horrid. 

 

Precious litttle innocent babies...reduced, by both sides, to 'shields'

[moosehead]

56 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

I think its important to remember that its Hamas that has put children in both Gaza and Israel in harms way. With no action by Israel Hamas would continue to butcher people. its not even a debate. 

 

The choice isn't whether or not innocent civilians are going to be killed, because they are no matter what, thats the awful truth of this. The choice is how best to rid everyone of Hamas. 

 

While accusations are made before all the evidence is in, maybe take a moment to remember this? 

 

Sad to see people  justify the killing of children.  Hopefully it is never your kids that are in harms way.

Not sure if it was your child / your grandchild.  ... you would be saying the same thing......

 

Hamas and Israeli government officials are both terrorists committing War crimes.  Hopefully all are charged as War Criminals.

Hopefully Israel is banned from international sports events such as the Olympics due to their support of Apartheid and ethnic cleansing. 

Edited November 3, 2023 by moosehead

[moosehead]

46 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

Israel has encircled the northern Gaza area, of roughly 100 square km's and taken and held ground, in steady advancements. 

This morning less than 80 square km's remained outside of Israeli control. This will take time, and cost blood and treasure, but Hamas will be finished in the North of Gaza.

What comes next? Perhaps a humanitarian corridor for women and children and the elderly/wounded to move north out of Southern Gaza, rinse and repeat?

 

edit: weapons siezed in Beit Hanoun, northern Gaza.

 

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

I'd suggest Iran pay for it.

 

I think most people in the world will see Israel being 100% responsible for any rebuild costs in Gaza.

[moosehead]

3 hours ago, RomanPer said:

How about you get your professional advice straight from your keyboard to the field and show us how it’s done? Incredible, how people who came closest to a gun maybe on a shooting range think they are qualified to give military operational advice from their high moral grounds…

 

It is important as a human that we all have morals....   I was fortunate to have a father that taught me it is NEVER justified to harm a women or child...  NEVER> 

 

Even in our prison system -  the lowest of the low are those that have harmed a child...

Edited November 3, 2023 by moosehead

[Bob Long]

28 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Yes. 100%

They dont even push the button until you leave even without the baby. If there is immediate danger, someone has already been shot etc, then the button should be pressed but not just for the money. Wife was a teller for years and this was thier policy.

 

But I get your point.

However, I'm starting to feel that the term 'human shield ' should be used carefully ( not that you used that exact term) . 

Yes, these terrorists are using their kids in a disgusting way but those kids are still innocent. If the view point is that there is no other way to get Hamas without slaughtering their children, then that makes the combatants equaly horrid. 

 

Precious litttle innocent babies...reduced, by both sides, to 'shields'

 

my point is more resigned to the realty Israel is facing. Hamas will kill kids on both sides until they are stopped, imo it's that simple. 

 

Unfortunately there's no way of doing it without casualties that no one wants. I hope that Palestinians are able to get their kids of of harms way, but it sounds like they are being gunned down by Hamas for trying to leave. 

 

I think its just down to speed now, how fast can the Israeli army get rid of these bastards and reduce the harm as much and as fast as they can. 

 

I don't see this as a 'both sides' thing. Only one side is forcing this horror on everyone. 

 

[Super19]

7 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

my point is more resigned to the realty Israel is facing. Hamas will kill kids on both sides until they are stopped, imo it's that simple. 

 

Unfortunately there's no way of doing it without casualties that no one wants. I hope that Palestinians are able to get their kids of of harms way, but it sounds like they are being gunned down by Hamas for trying to leave. 

 

I think its just down to speed now, how fast can the Israeli army get rid of these bastards and reduce the harm as much and as fast as they can. 

 

I don't see this as a 'both sides' thing. Only one side is forcing this horror on everyone. 

 

What sources or proofs is there that Hamas is killing the children in Gaza?