Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, moosehead said: i thought the bit about why gaza was given up on was interesting I thought the article’s value was how it proved Hamas propaganda was manipulating a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: If you thought the article was rubbish why link it? I thought it was quite revealing. Because It sure does show how people can too easily be manipulated by propaganda. All of us can be manipulated. It's why taking a step back and really looking at what we know are facts is so vital. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: I thought the article’s value was how it proved Hamas propaganda was manipulating a lot of people. I thought the article itself was an attempt to manipulate the reader to support Israel's oppressive government policies. So much media is written in a very one sided approach with a clear agenda. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 One question for posters... Would the British have been justified in carpet bombing Belfast in order to kill the leaders of the IRA ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, moosehead said: One question for posters... Would the British have been justified in carpet bombing Belfast in order to kill the leaders of the IRA ? Sorry, but what does this tangent have to do with Hamas attacking Israel on October 7? Maybe start a new thread? It would be an interesting discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Sorry, but what does this tangent have to do with Hamas attacking Israel on October 7? Maybe start a new thread? It would be an interesting discussion. NIce, I figured most here would not be willing to comment on it. Trying to justify the killing of innocent civilians is never easy for sure. Would the British have been justified in carpet bombing Belfast in order to kill the leaders of the IRA ? Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, moosehead said: I thought the article itself was an attempt to manipulate the reader to support Israel's oppressive government policies. So much media is written in a very one sided approach with a clear agenda. The same could be said for many posts in this thread. Please don't take that as a personal attack - I'm talking about many posts from many people and includes ones I've made. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, moosehead said: One question for posters... Would the British have been justified in carpet bombing Belfast in order to kill the leaders of the IRA ? I don't know. Did the IRA kidnap a few hundred people in a cross-border raid? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, StrayDog said: I don't know. Did the IRA kidnap a few hundred people in a cross-border raid? So no answer. That is what i thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Satchmo Posted November 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, moosehead said: So no answer. That is what i thought. The question was bait for which the only answer could be no. What were we just saying about agendas? 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Satchmo said: The question was bait for which the only answer could be no. What were we just saying about agendas? My only agenda is Peace and no more civilian deaths. Yes, i agree we all have an agenda. So if carpet bombing Belfast during IRA times was unacceptable.. what makes total devastation of Gaza now acceptable ? IRA terrorists were evil just as Hamas terrorists are.... Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 More than 100 protesters descended on the Port of Oakland in an attempt to stop a cargo ship which they said was carrying weapons bound for Israel. The demonstration, organized by the Arab Resource and Organizing Center, went down Friday at the California port “We’re sending the alarm that the U.S. government is, in fact, sending these weapons to Israel,” AROC press coordinator Wassim Hage told SFGate. “We want people to be aware that the U.S. is going to continue to use our ports to facilitate the genocide of Palestinian people in Gaza.” https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/news/protesters-storm-port-to-block-military-supplies-for-israel/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, moosehead said: My only agenda is Peace and no more civilian deaths. Yes, i agree we all have an agenda. So if carpet bombing Belfast during IRA times was unacceptable.. what makes total devastation of Gaza now acceptable ? IRA terrorists were evil just as Hamas terrorists are.... Peace is my only agenda as well. The IRA eventually agreed to a peace accord. That is what I promote and would like to see more discussions about that rather than listings of ancient and recent transgressions. How the hell do we achieve that and make it last? I'll be the first to admit I don't have a clue. But it will begin with a hand shake and not a fist shake. BTW - my cheers on the last post appeared before the edit. I was cheering the peace agenda part. Peace and cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captkirk888 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 59 minutes ago, moosehead said: One question for posters... Would the British have been justified in carpet bombing Belfast in order to kill the leaders of the IRA ? 54 minutes ago, moosehead said: NIce, I figured most here would not be willing to comment on it. Trying to justify the killing of innocent civilians is never easy for sure. Would the British have been justified in carpet bombing Belfast in order to kill the leaders of the IRA ? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Those protesting against Israel should know what Hamas stands for Women, girls, LGBTQ, believers in free speech, and non-Muslims – they don't want you https://canoe.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-those-protesting-against-israel-should-know-what-hamas-stands-for/wcm/c22e2229-346c-4cea-b6d2-6029a3dacfe2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Those protesting against Israel should know what Hamas stands for Women, girls, LGBTQ, believers in free speech, and non-Muslims – they don't want you https://canoe.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-those-protesting-against-israel-should-know-what-hamas-stands-for/wcm/c22e2229-346c-4cea-b6d2-6029a3dacfe2 These guys are one very nasty bunch. “ARTICLE TWELVE: Women and slaves are talked about in this article – yes, lesser beings like slaves are permitted in the Hamas caliphate, and women are considered lesser beings, too.” People need to read this Hamas stuff. It really shows their evil ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Those protesting against Israel should know what Hamas stands for Women, girls, LGBTQ, believers in free speech, and non-Muslims – they don't want you https://canoe.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-those-protesting-against-israel-should-know-what-hamas-stands-for/wcm/c22e2229-346c-4cea-b6d2-6029a3dacfe2 That's the thing though.... Most of people protesting against Israel's current government .... also detest Hamas . Most people are against both of these groups. People that protest Israel government.. really just want to see peace / equality and better living standards for Palestinians. Why does our media over simplify everything ? Why does our media need to vilify those that only want peace in the region. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the destroyer of worlds Posted November 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Those protesting against Israel should know what Hamas stands for Women, girls, LGBTQ, believers in free speech, and non-Muslims – they don't want you https://canoe.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-those-protesting-against-israel-should-know-what-hamas-stands-for/wcm/c22e2229-346c-4cea-b6d2-6029a3dacfe2 Ya, cause criticism of how Israel is conducting itself equals boot licking of Hamas. /s People like me find Hamas abhorrent. AND We find how Israel is conducting itself abhorrent. AND We support Palestinian people. AND We support Jewish people existing. It's not hard 1 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, moosehead said: That's the thing though.... Most of people protesting against Israel's current government .... also detest Hamas . Most people are against both of these groups. People that protest Israel government.. really just want to see peace / equality and better living standards for Palestinians. Why does our media over simplify everything ? Why does our media need to vilify those that only want peace in the region. Palestinians cannot achieve better living standards while Hamas exists. Whether Israel does it or the Palestinians do themselves, exterminating Hamas will have a price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Palestinians cannot achieve better living standards while Hamas exists. Whether Israel does it or the Palestinians do themselves, exterminating Hamas will have a price. Israel killed 400 people in that refugee camp, that's a horrendous crime. I'm glad most people can see it for the atrocity that it is but world leaders are awfully silent and still giving Israel the green light with no repercussions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Palestinians cannot achieve better living standards while Hamas exists. Whether Israel does it or the Palestinians do themselves, exterminating Hamas will have a price. Currently Israel is not exterminating Hamas. Israel is exterminating Palestinian woman and children.... Israel aggression in Gaza is only creating thousands more young Hamas members. Why do you think Hamas wanted this Israeli attack in Gaza... ? Killing will solve nothing. Peace is the only way forward. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Just now, Super19 said: Israel killed 400 people in that refugee camp, that's a horrendous crime. I'm glad most people can see it for the atrocity that it is but world leaders are awfully silent and still giving Israel the green light with no repercussions. Hamas is even more guilty for using those refugees as human shields and murdering those that flee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Palestinians cannot achieve better living standards while Hamas exists. Whether Israel does it or the Palestinians do themselves, exterminating Hamas will have a price. Fine, but how about they don't bomb ambulances, refugee camps, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Fine, but how about they don't bomb ambulances, refugee camps, etc. What about Israeli IDF murdering clearly marked press and first aid people ... Is this OK ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Fine, but how about they don't bomb ambulances, refugee camps, etc. Then why doesn't Hamas stop hiding in them? The alternative is a full occupation and going door to door executing every terrorist they find. People would complain about that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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