Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, moosehead said: Yah, i see you are still not answering the question. That's OK. Some posters here don't believe in collateral damage of women and kids though... which posters are saying that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, Super19 said: No one is really buying that human shield narrative that the Israeli state and Western Media is using to justify these atrocities. It's just a shame Western world leaders are supporting this. I guarantee you, a country bombing a refugee camp killing 400 lives to take out 1 Hamas isn't justified. So, you are ignoring facts? Ok, fine, everything coming from Israel is a lie. October 7th didn't happen. 9/11 is an inside job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Just now, Alflives said: which posters are saying that? Any poster that supports the bombing of Gaza is clearly supporting the collateral damage of palestinian civilians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, RomanPer said: So, you are ignoring facts? Ok, fine, everything coming from Israel is a lie. October 7th didn't happen. 9/11 is an inside job. Clearly it is very challenging to take out a terrorist in a high density urban environment. Using bombs / missiles to accomplish this will not be easy . This human shield rubbish just gives Israel IDF an excuse now for all their mistakes and collateral deaths of innocent civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 31 minutes ago, Duodenum said: The biggest thing I've learned out of this conflict is that these two sides absolutely hate each other. Each side sees the other as good for nothing piles of dirt that should be eradicated. The amount of venom spewed is nuts. I knew that they hated each other before but it's way worse than I ever expected. For some reason (western propaganda?), i thought the Israelis were on a higher moral level than Hamas but I bet with zero outside pressure, the IDF would love to eradicate Palestine. This is rubbish. Again, I'd like to point you to long term peace agreements between Israel and Egypt and Jordan. I also would like to point out the 2 million Arab citizens of Israel with full civil rights. In addition, I'd like to point out that unlike real ethnic cleansings, where the target ethnicity is exterminated, the reality on the ground is that Palestinian population in Gaza and West Bank is increasing significantly since 1948. If Israel wanted to "eradicate Palestine", with all the military options and supposedly only crazies in charge, Israel could have done it 3 times over and twice on Friday. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, moosehead said: Any poster that supports the bombing of Gaza is clearly supporting the collateral damage of palestinian civilians. In your opinion why is the IDF doing this bombing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 hours ago, moosehead said: So no answer. That is what i thought. Oh I'm sorry. I thought we were making equivalences. You were trying to make an association with Israeli reaction to what "might have been" a British reaction to a similar instance. Since the IRA never shot up a music festival and took a bunch of civilian hostages I can't tell you whether or not the supposed British response might have been appropriate. If you want to argue in good faith perhaps you could do away with the whataboutisms. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Oh I'm sorry. I thought we were making equivalences. You were trying to make an association with Israeli reaction to what "might have been" a British reaction to a similar instance. Since the IRA never shot up a music festival and took a bunch of civilian hostages I can't tell you whether or not the supposed British response might have been appropriate. If you want to argue in good faith perhaps you could do away with the whataboutisms. Once thing I learned over the last several weeks is there's no point to even try to answer certain individuals because they will either ignore things they can't answer or turn your answer upside down to fit their narrative. Thank you, Invision, for the Ignore option 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrayDog Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 53 minutes ago, moosehead said: I don't remember the British military murdering the moms /dads / siblings / children / neighbours / nearby shop owners.... of IRA members... ? No, because they had the UDF for that. But this is a Hamas/ Israel thread, not "Remember the Irish Troubles" thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, RomanPer said: This is rubbish. Again, I'd like to point you to long term peace agreements between Israel and Egypt and Jordan. I also would like to point out the 2 million Arab citizens of Israel with full civil rights. In addition, I'd like to point out that unlike real ethnic cleansings, where the target ethnicity is exterminated, the reality on the ground is that Palestinian population in Gaza and West Bank is increasing significantly since 1948. If Israel wanted to "eradicate Palestine", with all the military options and supposedly only crazies in charge, Israel could have done it 3 times over and twice on Friday. A 2021 report by the Israel Democracy Institute found significant social and economic gaps between Jewish and Arab citizens, with poverty among Arabs more than three times higher. Arabs are mainly employed in low-income industrial jobs, the report said. They tend to live in overcrowded towns and villages with infrastructure deficiencies and poorer-funded schools. The danger of weaker oversight on the executive is clear to Palestinian citizens, particularly under a government that has expanded settlements in the occupied West Bank and is made up of senior ministers who whip up sentiment against them, lawmaker Aida Touma-Sliman of the Arab-Jewish Hadash party told Reuters. Earlier this year the U.S. condemned as incitement to violence comments by Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich that a Palestinian village in the West Bank must be "erased" by Israel. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/arabs-israel-stay-sidelines-raging-democracy-battle-2023-07-26/ 14 minutes ago, StrayDog said: Oh I'm sorry. I thought we were making equivalences. You were trying to make an association with Israeli reaction to what "might have been" a British reaction to a similar instance. Since the IRA never shot up a music festival and took a bunch of civilian hostages I can't tell you whether or not the supposed British response might have been appropriate. If you want to argue in good faith perhaps you could do away with the whataboutisms. As expected.... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, StrayDog said: No, because they had the UDF for that. But this is a Hamas/ Israel thread, not "Remember the Irish Troubles" thread But we are not going to be able to move forward until we fully sort out the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Alflives said: In your opinion why is the IDF doing this bombing? In my opinion. Israel is bombing 2 million people Gaza as collective punishment for the horrific Hamas murders of Israeli civilans. Destroying hospitals, schools and residental apartments. Destroying the infrastructure. A secondary benefit to Israel is to drive out palestinians to maintain the current Israel demographic composition. Hamas has a very high birthrate. Israel want to remain long term as a Jewish / Zionist state. Pluralism may not be their end goal. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, RomanPer said: No, Israel didn't. Israel attacked a Hamas tunnel and actually only killed 50 people, predominately young men of military age. This is per Al Jazeera after a few days of the actual event. Reminds a lot of the "500 people dead after Israeli bombing of the hospital", doesn't it? Israel dropped six 2,000lb bombs on a Gazan refugee camp. Many women and children are dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-those-protesting-against-israel-should-know-what-hamas-stands-for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bolt said: https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-those-protesting-against-israel-should-know-what-hamas-stands-for Garbage. Anti Israeli protestors are also typically anti Hamas. Move on please. Those days of putting people in small boxes are over.... People are now informed. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, RomanPer said: So, you are ignoring facts? Ok, fine, everything coming from Israel is a lie. October 7th didn't happen. 9/11 is an inside job. Actually, you do know the Israeli govt has lied about a lot. Watch Piers Morgan debate with Bassem Yousef , they go over exactly this. It's one of Piers most viewed videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Just now, Super19 said: Israel dropped six 2,000lb bombs on a Gazan refugee camp. Many women and children are dying. Let's stay on a very specific piece of information that you explicitly provided - "400 people died in the bombing of the refugee camp". That particular number has been refuted not only by the Israeli sources but also by Al Jazeera. The same was the situation with the bombing of the hospital. If Hamas has been caught in lies and extreme exaggeration of the number of casualties on these 2 occasions, what is the reason to believe any numbers coming from their sources? It's a typical "cry wolf" story, only for some reason it looks like Hamas has a cart blanche on lying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 hours ago, moosehead said: The stepdaughter of Vice President Harris is publicly raising money for Gaza, The Post has learned. Ella Emhoff, 24 — whose father, First Gentleman Doug Emhoff, is Jewish — affixed a fundraising drive “supporting urgent relief for Gaza’s children” on her personal Instagram account. It makes no mention of the scores of Israeli children murdered among the 1,400 innocent Israelis killed by Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7. Her promotion puts the funding appeal in front of her 315,000 Instagram followers. The fundraiser, which has netted more than $7.8 million so far, is being operated by the Palestinian Children’s Relief Fund, a nonprofit based in Kent, Ohio, which raked in more than $21 million in 2021, https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/news/kamala-harris-stepdaughter-ella-emhoff-raising-money-for-gaza/ There is absolutely a need for this, and its awesome! People are aware of those children, also, who are dead. This does not concern itself with sides, just those victims who can be helped? Need the most help! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RomanPer said: Let's stay on a very specific piece of information that you explicitly provided - "400 people died in the bombing of the refugee camp". That particular number has been refuted not only by the Israeli sources but also by Al Jazeera. The same was the situation with the bombing of the hospital. If Hamas has been caught in lies and extreme exaggeration of the number of casualties on these 2 occasions, what is the reason to believe any numbers coming from their sources? It's a typical "cry wolf" story, only for some reason it looks like Hamas has a cart blanche on lying. Well the truth is difficult to get right now... Israel cut power, water, food, medicine off to gaza. No internet etc.... Lack of truth getting out benefits Israel ethic cleansing / war crimes. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Just now, RomanPer said: Let's stay on a very specific piece of information that you explicitly provided - "400 people died in the bombing of the refugee camp". That particular number has been refuted not only by the Israeli sources but also by Al Jazeera. The same was the situation with the bombing of the hospital. If Hamas has been caught in lies and extreme exaggeration of the number of casualties on these 2 occasions, what is the reason to believe any numbers coming from their sources? It's a typical "cry wolf" story, only for some reason it looks like Hamas has a cart blanche on lying. Al Jazeera said at least 50 dead but total number unknown. Numbers from palestine say 400 dead and injured. From the videos alone you can count like 50 bodies in the rubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Super19 said: Al Jazeera said at least 50 dead but total number unknown. Numbers from palestine say 400 dead and injured. From the videos alone you can count like 50 bodies in the rubble. Exactly. 50 bodies in the rubble of what used to be Hamas tunnel. 8 times less than 400 reported. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, moosehead said: Garbage. Anti Israeli protestors are also typically anti Hamas. Move on please. Those days of putting people in small boxes are over.... People are now informed. More hate crimes are committed against jews than any other race. People are informed and they see it unless you condone that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, moosehead said: Garbage. Anti Israeli protestors are also anti Hamas. Move on please. Those days of putting people in small boxes are over.... People are now informed. So the Hamas actual doctrine is garbage and not to be believed as their way of living and their goals? Those are very nasty beliefs they have. Or is this not what they believe and desire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bolt said: More hate crimes are committed against jews than any other race. People are informed and they see it unless you condone that as well. There is no place in this world for any discrimination. Thats what we are all asking for. Freedom and peace for Palestinians. Equality - end of discrimination and discriminary Israeli government policies. Freedom and peace for all humans - all minorities across our globe. Edited November 4, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, moosehead said: Well the truth is difficult to get right now... Israel cut power, water, food, medicine off to gaza. No internet etc.... Lack of truth getting out benefits Israel ethic cleansing / war crimes. Israel or their leaders, like Bibi, are wanting this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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