Hamas attacking Israel

[RomanPer]

17 minutes ago, Super19 said:

 

 

 

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, the police would come looking for them and arresting/killing them. Your examples are laughable to say the least. Here, watch another video. This is a great project, "The ASK Project". A lot of great content, trying to show what people on the ground think, not UN and other useless organizations:

 

[Canuckle]

4 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

So if you are correct, Hamas also attempted genocide on Israelis.

 

You don't find many reputable academics who agree with that statement.

 

The former on the other hand...

 

 

[moosehead]

1 hour ago, Optimist Prime said:

 

Poor dogs is all i can think of.   What kind of a world do we live in where Peace can not be attained between 2  groups leadership  that are both primarily built on hate / intolerance of others. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by moosehead

[moosehead]

55 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

your math skills are in need of sharpening; using your logic and notes, but with proper math it is less than 0.5%, still horrible, but you have more than doubled the actual %, and as noted: these numbers originate from Hamas, and are not trustworthy. 

 

Hard to get accurate numbers when Israeli IDF has cut off the internet ... cut off cell phones . Cut power.    Killed journalists. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by moosehead

[Canuckle]

 

[Warhippy]

47 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

You don't find many reputable academics who agree with that statement.

 

The former on the other hand...

 

 

Respectfully

 

HAMAS engaged in a systematic slaughter of innocent civilians with the intent and sworn statement of wiping them off of the earth.  While I again do not support or approve of what the IDF has done in the last 2-3 decades or Israeli policy; at no point has Hamas done much else other than attempt to remove Israel from the planet as their actions have shown.

 

Whether one wants to argue point by point terminology or not.  When you go home by home conducting a systematic slaughter of civilians, infants, men, women while taking video tapes promoting the removal of the ideology and individuals as well as suggesting their religion be expunged from the area and their nation cease to exist.

 

You are engaging in what is tantamount to basic genocide.

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Super19 said:

It's not my fault you don't accept numbers that even the UN agrees with.

 

70 UN collegues and over 20 journalists died, you don't believe that? Guess who reported that?

 

no, I think the UN and reporter numbers are accurate. 

51 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

You don't find many reputable academics who agree with that statement.

 

The former on the other hand...

 

 

 

academics? what do they have to do with any of this, other than provide commentary? 

 

[moosehead]

5 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

 

Great to see American jewish population shutting down Central station at rush hour.

Great to see all these amazing Jewish citizens standing up for ending this genocide. 

400 citizens and many Rabbis arrested...  Jewish American doctors.....

 

So inspiring.   Thanks for sharing this video.    So many amazing americans now speaking out against hate and killing. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by moosehead

[Bob Long]

55 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, the police would come looking for them and arresting/killing them. Your examples are laughable to say the least. Here, watch another video. This is a great project, "The ASK Project". A lot of great content, trying to show what people on the ground think, not UN and other useless organizations:

 

 

we might actually get an answer to the question, I suspect there are a few Hamas operatives hiding in Tel Aviv right now. 

 

[moosehead]

Sad

 

Palestinian workers who were expelled back to Gaza from Israel last week have accused Israeli authorities of “torture,” alleging they were stripped naked, held in cages, viciously beaten and, according to one worker’s account, subjected to electric shocks.

 

“They broke us and beat us with batons and metal sticks… they humiliated us… they have made us starve without food or water,” Muqbel Abdullah Al Radia, another of the workers, told CNN.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/06/middleeast/gaza-workers-allege-abuse/index.html

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Optimist Prime said:

Are those Malinois dogs?  They are the greatest attack dogs in the world…

 

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[bishopshodan]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Are those Malinois dogs?  They are the greatest attack dogs in the world…

 

 

 

Yes. Amazing, amazing dogs. Should not be used for our bullshit. 

Poor things.

 

 

[Sharpshooter]

3 hours ago, Canuckle said:

 

Which is a complete misreading and misrepresentation of what was being said.

 

A state is a social construct.

 

What person or people is being ethnically cleansed with the absence of a state appartus and state authority?

 

Nobody.

 

Sociologist Max Weber describes the state as any organization that succeeds in holding the exclusive right to use, threaten, or authorize physical force against residents of its territory. Such a monopoly, according to Weber, must occur via a process of legitimation.

 

In political philosophy, a monopoly on violence or monopoly on the legal use of force is the property of a polity that is the only entity in its jurisdiction to legitimately use force, and thus the supreme authority of that area.

 

While the monopoly on violence as the defining conception of the state was first described in sociology by Max Weber in his essay Politics as a Vocation (1919), the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force is a core concept of modern public law, which goes back to French jurist and political philosopher Jean Bodin's 1576 work Les Six livres de la République and English philosopher Thomas Hobbes' 1651 book Leviathan. Weber claims that the state is the "only human Gemeinschaft which lays claim to the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force. As such, states can resort to coercive means such as incarceration, expropriation, humiliation, and death threats to obtain the population's compliance with its rule and thus maintain order. However, this monopoly is limited to a certain geographical area, and in fact this limitation to a particular area is one of the things that defines a state.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

 

And once again I will state I am anarchist. This is important to note. For those that do not know, Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is skeptical of all justifications for authority and seeks to abolish the institutions it claims maintain unnecessary coercion and hierarchy, typically including nation-states, and capitalism.

 

Anarchism advocates for the replacement of the state with stateless societies and voluntary free associations. As a historically left-wing movement, this reading of anarchism is placed on the farthest left of the political spectrum, usually described as the libertarian wing of the socialist movement (libertarian socialism).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

 

 

As for the false claims of antisemitism levied against me, there are Jewish people that advocate against the Zionist Israeli state just the same. They must be antisemitic to... themselves? 

 

Absolute Nonsense.

 

"Anarchism has been an undercurrent in the politics of Palestine and Israel for over a century. The anarchist ideology arrived in Palestine at the beginning of the 20th century, carried by a big wave of emigrants from Eastern Europe (Russia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Poland). The ideas of Peter Kropotkin and Leo Tolstoy had remarkable influence on famous exponents of some Left Zionists. Anarchists organized themselves across Israel and Palestine, and influenced the worker movement in Israel. Anarchists often call for a zero state solution, to the Palestinian Israeli conflict, in reference to a complete abolition of the states of Israel and Palestine."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Israel

 

 

@Ribs@Sharpshooter

 

I should hope this is clarification enough?

 

Why was I tagged to this? 

[Elias Pettersson]

10 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Yes. Amazing, amazing dogs. Should not be used for our bullshit. 

Poor things.

 

 

True. They are trained for this stuff though. Much more athletic than a German Shepherd. From what I understand they protect these dogs the same as humans. 
 

Mind you they are much more valuable to society than alot of humans. 

[moosehead]

The South African government has said it will recall all diplomats from Israel to “signal” its concern over the situation in Gaza.

 

Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, a minister in the president’s office, said on Monday that all diplomatic staff in Tel Aviv would be called to return to Pretoria for consultations, without providing further details.

 

The Palestinian Authority (PA) could return to power in the Gaza Strip only if a “comprehensive political solution” is found to the Israel-Palestine conflict, according to PA President Mahmoud Abbas.

Abbas on Sunday met with the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who is on yet another tour of the region as Israel’s deadly military campaign in Gaza nears a month.

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/south-africa-to-recall-all-diplomats-from-israel-over-gaza-war

Edited November 7, 2023 by moosehead

[Sharpshooter]

1 minute ago, moosehead said:

The South African government has said it will recall all diplomats from Israel to “signal” its concern over the situation in Gaza.

 

Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, a minister in the president’s office, said on Monday that all diplomatic staff in Tel Aviv would be called to return to Pretoria for consultations, without providing further details.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/south-africa-to-recall-all-diplomats-from-israel-over-gaza-war

BRICS country doing BRICS things. 
 

Colour me shocked. 

[moosehead]

Who are Israeli settlers, and why do they live on Palestinian lands?

As many as 700,000 Israeli settlers are living illegally in the occupied West Bank as settler violence surges.

 

 

Since Israel unleashed its brutal bombing campaign in Gaza on October 7 in the wake of a deadly Hamas attack, settler attacks against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem have more than doubled from an average of three to eight incidents a day, according to the United Nations.

The spike in settler attacks have forced hundreds of Palestinians to flee their homes in the past three weeks amid the Israeli bombardment of Gaza that has killed more than 9,500 people.

Who are the settlers?

Settlers are Israeli citizens who live on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. The vast majority of the settlements have been built either entirely or partially on private Palestinian land.

 

More than 700,000 settlers – 10 percent of Israel’s nearly 7 million population – now live in 150 settlements and 128 outposts dotting the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

 

A settlement is authorised by the Israeli government while an outpost is built without government authorisation. Outposts can range from a small shanty of a few people to a community of up to 400 people.

 

Some of the settlers move to the occupied territories for religious reasons while others are drawn by a relatively lower cost of living and financial incentives offered by the government. Ultraorthodox Jews form one-third of all settlers.

 

A majority of Israeli Jews who live in the West Bank say that the construction of settlements improves the security of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. The argument is that settlements act as a buffer for Israel’s national security as they restrict the movement of Palestinians and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state.
 

However, some on the Israeli left argue that the settlement expansion hurts the two-state solution and thereby Israel’s own prospects for peace.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-settlers-and-why-do-they-live-on-palestinian-lands

Edited November 7, 2023 by moosehead

[Sharpshooter]

1 minute ago, moosehead said:

Who are Israeli settlers, and why do they live on Palestinian lands?

As many as 700,000 Israeli settlers are living illegally in the occupied West Bank as settler violence surges.

 

 

Since Israel unleashed its brutal bombing campaign in Gaza on October 7 in the wake of a deadly Hamas attack, settler attacks against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem have more than doubled from an average of three to eight incidents a day, according to the United Nations.

The spike in settler attacks have forced hundreds of Palestinians to flee their homes in the past three weeks amid the Israeli bombardment of Gaza that has killed more than 9,500 people.

Who are the settlers?

Settlers are Israeli citizens who live on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. The vast majority of the settlements have been built either entirely or partially on private Palestinian land.

 

More than 700,000 settlers – 10 percent of Israel’s nearly 7 million population – now live in 150 settlements and 128 outposts dotting the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

 

A settlement is authorised by the Israeli government while an outpost is built without government authorisation. Outposts can range from a small shanty of a few people to a community of up to 400 people.

 

Some of the settlers move to the occupied territories for religious reasons while others are drawn by a relatively lower cost of living and financial incentives offered by the government. Ultraorthodox Jews form one-third of all settlers.

 

A majority of Israeli Jews who live in the West Bank say that the construction of settlements improves the security of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. The argument is that settlements act as a buffer for Israel’s national security as they restrict the movement of Palestinians and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state.
 

However, some on the Israeli left argue that the settlement expansion hurts the two-state solution and thereby Israel’s own prospects for peace.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-settlers-and-why-do-they-live-on-palestinian-lands

Those settlements are illegal and should never have been approved. 
 

Bibi is to blame. 
 

He’s been amongst the worse entity to peace in that region since the Crusades. 
 

Can’t stand him or his previous/current policies. 
 

/rant

[Satchmo]

I am often reminded of the famous quote by Ben Franklin: 'You can't believe everything you read on the internet.'

[Optimist Prime]

32 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

Yes. Amazing, amazing dogs. Should not be used for our bullshit. 

Poor things.

 

 

agreed. of all the inhumane things about war, bringing our animals into it for me is the worst. Horses in ww1, dogs in ww2 and even to this day, Russia has been training dolphins to 'touch' submarines with their noses..and when the time comes will strap explosives to their heads and a detonator an inch in front of the nose..elephants way back in the day in the Indian subcontinent... we are master exploiters. My oldest girl is a VERSGOTTASPETZ or 'west gothic dog' translated from Swedish. Here we call them Valhalla Hounds or the Swedish Valhund. The breed was almost made extinct in ww2 as they are easily trained and eager to please their human masters. My old girl is the 'sweetest valhund'. The dogs were trained to suss out landmines and detonate them and they were so good at it, there were fewer than 1000 of these dogs left by the end of the war. It so happens my families ancestral farm is in the exact region these dogs are from, so we sought out our girl and will likely get another female when she is gone and breed her for a new generation of these lovely family oriented pets. 

 

edit: now with more Valhund!

[Sharpshooter]

29 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

I am often reminded of the famous quote by Ben Franklin: 'You can't believe everything you read on the internet.'

Invented the lightbulb so you know he knows a thing or two about a thing or two. 

[Ilunga]

39 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Invented the lightbulb so you know he knows a thing or two about a thing or two. 

 

No he didn't.

 

Humphry Davy  invented the first form of electric light in 1802, 12 years after Franklin died.

It wasn't a bulb, it was a piece of carbon that was connected across the terminals of a battery.

In the following decades other inventors tried improving on this design until in 1879 Edison filed a patent for what we now know as the electric light bulb.

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Ilunga said:

 

No he didn't.

 

Humphry Davy  invented the first form of electric light in 1802, 12 years after Franklin died.

It wasn't a bulb, it was a piece of carbon that was connected across the terminals of a battery.

In the following decades other inventors tried improving on this design until in 1879 Edison filed a patent for what we now know as the electric light bulb.

 

Fake news.

[Ilunga]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Fake news.

 

I am just a dumbass that only finished highschool and still learnt this along the way.

 

https://www.endesa.com/en/the-e-face/biographies/who-actually-invented-the-light-bulb

 

 

[Sharpshooter]

13 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

No he didn't.

 

Humphry Davy  invented the first form of electric light in 1802, 12 years after Franklin died.

It wasn't a bulb, it was a piece of carbon that was connected across the terminals of a battery.

In the following decades other inventors tried improving on this design until in 1879 Edison filed a patent for what we now know as the electric light bulb.