RomanPer Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, Bure_Pavel said: As two groups of people who have hated each other for close to 100 years, I think it will be with a very strong hand if Israel is able to achieve this, while pissing off all their neighbors to the point Iran gets involved more. I think Israel doesn't give 2 shits about pissing off its neighbors or anyone else outside of Israel, quite honestly. If Israel was looking for everyone's approval, Israel wouldn't survive for these 75 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, RomanPer said: I think Israel doesn't give 2 shits about pissing off its neighbors or anyone else outside of Israel, quite honestly. If Israel was looking for everyone's approval, Israel wouldn't survive for these 75 years Pissing off too many people can have real world consequences when it comes to trade and additional security risks. Especially when your neighbors are known for being associated with terrorist groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: As two groups of people who have hated each other for close to 100 years, I think it will be with a very strong hand if Israel is able to achieve this, while pissing off all their neighbors to the point Iran gets involved more. Israel cannot afford to care whether Palestinians or Iranians hate them. Their survival is at stake. Iran has to worry more about a pre-emptive Israeli strike on their nuke facilities than Iran attacking them. What are the Iranians going to do march an army across Iraq and Syria to attack Israel? Not much chance of that. Using Palestinians lives is much cheaper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Taxi said: Wouldn't Hamas' attack on October 7 also qualify as genocide? According to the definition that was posted, yes... Edited November 8, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshiyoshi Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: According to the definition that was posted, yes... Which is why that definition is garbage. It is only useful to the UN and there would be a lot of evidence gathering and courts or whatever they use to determine intent. So anyone outside of the UN using that definition is just abusing the word. I personally am offended when people use genocide to describe things that aren't as it devalues the word. If everyone is accused of genocide every time there is a conflict no one will care if someone is accused of committing an actual genocide until it is far to late to do anything about it. Edited November 8, 2023 by Yoshiyoshi 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Pissing off too many people can have real world consequences when it comes to trade and additional security risks. Especially when your neighbors are known for being associated with terrorist groups. I don't entirely disagree, but Israel contributes so much to the rest of the world in so many different areas of development, that it probably can afford some level of "not giving 2 shits" . To name just a few: 1) Every major technology company in the world has a major R&D office in Israel with most of the major breakthrough technologies in some shape or form relying on Israeli brains 2) Military development (somewhat connected to point 1) 3) Agriculture (for example, now used world wide drip irrigation, which allowed Israel to farm in the middle of the Negev dessert) 4) Pharmaceuticals (Teva is one of the world's largest companies) And the list goes on and on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 55 minutes ago, RomanPer said: I think Israel doesn't give 2 shits about pissing off its neighbors or anyone else outside of Israel, quite honestly. If Israel was looking for everyone's approval, Israel wouldn't survive for these 75 years Israel does not want to genuinely piss off Saudi and force them to take action against Israel. and no one wants to piss Iran off. Belgium PM calling for sactions against Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Super19 said: Israel does not want to genuinely piss off Saudi and force them to take action against Israel. and no one wants to piss Iran off. Belgium PM calling for sactions against Israel. Yes definately. More and more people are making that individual decision to boycott products /services from Israel or any country that engages in Oppression / Occupation or racism in government policies. Edited November 8, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said: Pissing off too many people can have real world consequences when it comes to trade and additional security risks. Especially when your neighbors are known for being associated with terrorist groups. This comes back to the reason Hamas started this war they can not win: peace. it is the enemy of Hamas, leaders of Gaza. Israel was very close to signing yet another peace accord with a former Hamas ally. Hamas couldn't sit back and let peace take root, thus the insane murder of unarmed women/children/peaceniks on Oct 7th. I stand with Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: This comes back to the reason Hamas started this war they can not win: peace. it is the enemy of Hamas, leaders of Gaza. Israel was very close to signing yet another peace accord with a former Hamas ally. Hamas couldn't sit back and let peace take root, thus the insane murder of unarmed women/children/peaceniks on Oct 7th. I stand with Israel. I stand for equality of all humans. I stand for democracy and freedom. Edited November 8, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 22 Democrats voted to censure the Congresswoman. 4 Republicans voted against censuring her. Congresswoman Tlaib becomes the 26th member to be censured in the history of the United States House. Edited November 8, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, moosehead said: I stand for equality of all humans. I stand for democracy and freedom. Me too. I include Israelis in my list of all humans. I'm sure you do too, but that's hard to spot in some posts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: 22 Democrats voted to censure the Congresswoman. 4 Republicans voted against censuring her. Congresswoman Tlaib becomes the 26th member to be censured in the history of the United States House. Diplomatic humiliation like this reminds me of the time Nikki Haley had the "epic failure" 5 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, moosehead said: I stand for equality of all humans. I stand for democracy and freedom. Then you are gonna love a Gaza that will be free from Hamas dictatorship and open to new elections. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: Then you are gonna love a Gaza that will be free from Hamas dictatorship and open to new elections. Yes, i want to see a free Gaza strip but not one where women and childrens are bombed / killed and 50% of the housing / churches /schools are reduced to rubble. Israel is currently creating more and more Hamas members by the indiscriminate bombing campaign of homes / infrastructure. Hamas is being enlarged day by day.... Hamas is a symptom ( terrible ) but the cause of the conflict will need to addressed for any kind of a permanent solution. Edited November 8, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, moosehead said: Yes, i want to see a free Gaza strip but not one where women and childrens are bombed / killed and 50% of the housing / churches /schools are reduced to rubble. Israel is currently creating more and more Hamas members by the indiscriminate bombing campaign of homes / infrastructure. Hamas is being enlarged day by day.... Hamas is a symptom ( terrible ) but the cause of the conflict will need to addressed for any kind of a permanent solution. How do you get rid of hamas on your planet then? EDIT: and i should state the obvious: no one has a time machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, RomanPer said: I don't entirely disagree, but Israel contributes so much to the rest of the world in so many different areas of development, that it probably can afford some level of "not giving 2 shits" . To name just a few: 1) Every major technology company in the world has a major R&D office in Israel with most of the major breakthrough technologies in some shape or form relying on Israeli brains 2) Military development (somewhat connected to point 1) 3) Agriculture (for example, now used world wide drip irrigation, which allowed Israel to farm in the middle of the Negev dessert) 4) Pharmaceuticals (Teva is one of the world's largest companies) And the list goes on and on. I've got a long time colleague working in Tel Aviv with a medical device firm, and we often work with a freelance industrial designer from there. Lots of great med tech companies in Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: I've got a long time colleague working in Tel Aviv with a medical device firm, and we often work with a freelance industrial designer from there. Lots of great med tech companies in Israel. lots of great agi co's too. My family is lucky enough to have bred and raised the best production cow in Canada's history, she lived to be a very old gal indeed, but when she came close to the end of her days on a 400 acre farm, we flushed her ovaries and sell the eggs for 5k a pop. Israel bought a huge number of these and built a thriving industry off of many good bloodlines, but our old game still holds third in the world for lifetime production and so her eggs were a big contributor towards what Israel is doing in the industry today. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: lots of great agi co's too. My family is lucky enough to have bred and raised the best production cow in Canada's history, she lived to be a very old gal indeed, but when she came close to the end of her days on a 400 acre farm, we flushed her ovaries and sell the eggs for 5k a pop. Israel bought a huge number of these and built a thriving industry off of many good bloodlines, but our old game still holds third in the world for lifetime production and so her eggs were a big contributor towards what Israel is doing in the industry today. thats pretty neat. I like stories like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: How do you get rid of hamas on your planet then? EDIT: and i should state the obvious: no one has a time machine. The people of Gaza will give up Hamas. Just show them a future that does not involved living in a cage with limited food , water, power, and medicine. Show the Palestinians a real future and they will turn on Hamas in 5 minutes. Edited November 8, 2023 by moosehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: How do you get rid of hamas on your planet then? EDIT: and i should state the obvious: no one has a time machine. Israel seems to think its by destroying most Palestinians. And in one month they got over 10k kills with the world watching. Over 4000 of them, children. Seems like Israel is trying to kill as many Palestinians as they can swiftly get away with. How else is there this many Palestinians dead? Why are there this many Palestinians dead? What is Nentanyahus excuse, for this many children, women, elderly, palestenians, dead from his attacks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, moosehead said: The people of Gaza will give up Hamas. Just show them a future that does not involved living in a cage with limited food , water, power, and medicine. Show the Palestinians a real future and they will turn on Hamas in 5 minutes. If it was that simple it would have happened a hundred times over by now. Sorry, i know that is a nice thought, and I wish it were true, but the good future will come after Hamas is eliminated, they have had 16 years since Hamas took power to give them up and they have allowed them to build their infrastructure of terror in Mosques, schools and hospitals thr0oughout Gaza. The people of Gaza would not give up Hamas even to this very day while Israel is doing all this to Northern Gaza. Shrug. The reason I included the obvious "no one has a time machine' is because your solution seems to be that Israel should never have been created. That is a nonstarter, the yogurt is out of the tube, now we need to cook with it or throw it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Super19 said: Israel seems to think its by destroying most Palestinians. And in one month they got over 10k kills with the world watching. Over 4000 of them, children. Seems like Israel is trying to kill as many Palestinians as they can swiftly get away with. How else is there this many Palestinians dead? Why are there this many Palestinians dead? What is Nentanyahus excuse, for this many children, women, elderly, palestenians, dead from his attacks? Israel with 10,000 Palestinians now killed has created probably 50,000 new Hamas members as well are ruined Israel's support across the world. All in the name of re-election for Likud. Politics is a dirty game. Edited November 8, 2023 by moosehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, moosehead said: Israel with 10,000 Palestinians now killed has created probably 50,000 new Hamas members as well are ruined Israel's support across the world. Assuming Hamas is correct in saying they have 50,000 standing army: how many of those ten thousand do you think are Hamas forces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshiyoshi Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, moosehead said: The people of Gaza will give up Hamas. Just show them a future that does not involved living in a cage with limited food , water, power, and medicine. Show the Palestinians a real future and they will turn on Hamas in 5 minutes. They should have done that on Oct 7th, its too late now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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