Hamas attacking Israel

[moosehead]

Three Palestinian rights groups have filed a lawsuit with the International Criminal Court (ICC), urging the body to investigate Israel for “apartheid” as well as “genocide” and issue arrest warrants for Israeli leaders.

 

The lawsuit, filed on Wednesday by human rights organisations Al-Haq, Al Mezan, and the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, called for “urgent attention to the continuous barrage of Israeli airstrikes on densely populated civilian areas within the Gaza Strip”, which have killed more than 10,500 Palestinians, almost half of them children, according to Gaza health officials.

 

These acts amount to “war crimes” and “crimes against humanity”, including “genocide”, the lawsuit said.

The three groups want arrest warrants to be issued against Israel’s President Isaac Herzog, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Yoav Gallant.

 

In the latest ICC filing, the rights groups’ lawyer, Emmanuel Daoud, referenced the ICC’s ruling against Russia’s President Vladimir Putin for war crimes in Ukraine, and said there was “no room for double standards in international justice”.

 

“Whether war crimes are committed in Ukraine or Palestine, the culprits should be held to account,” said Daoud.

This is not the first time a file against Israel has been brought to the ICC during its one-month war in Gaza.

On October 31, Reporters Without Borders (RSF) submitted a complaint to the body alleging Israel had perpetrated war crimes against journalists in Gaza.

 

As of Thursday, Israeli attacks have killed at least 39 journalists since October 7, according to figures from press freedom group Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), 34 of whom were Palestinian, four were Israeli, and one was Lebanese.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/three-rights-groups-file-icc-lawsuit-against-israel-over-gaza-genocide

Edited November 9, 2023 by moosehead

[moosehead]

Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss told The Post he and the group he was with urge world leaders to “not join with the Zionist murderers.”

 

“With the help of the almighty, we are out here, because it’s over a month of the slaughter of the good people of Palestine, the good people of Gaza. It is being bombed in my name and the name of Judaism,” he argued. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/09/metro/hundreds-of-anti-israel-protesters-descend-on-ny-times-building/

[Taxi]

38 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

As long as they keep treating the Palestinians like animals, they are going to get the same kind of resistance from them.........I mean, no one knows that better than the Jewish population.  They need to turf BN and his far right government and start putting people in there who look at the problem from a humanitarian context.

 

The Israelis have absolutely nothing to fear from any of their neighbors or Iran, unless the US stops supplying them with the best weapons in the world.  Israel would wipe the floor with Hezbollah, Iran etc.  It's time to try the carrot for awhile and put down the stick

 

This is completely wrong. Iran represents a very real threat. Wiping the floor with Iran would lead to a world war. Israel is stuck in a position that every time they let their guard down a major attack comes their way. That's not acceptable. 

 

Every time Israel has loosened a restriction on Gaza it has blown up their face. They withdrew their settlers, and the Gazans voted in Hamas. They allowed 20,000 workers form Gaza to come into Israel in 2023, and Hamas used it as an opportunity to gather intel for their Oct 7 attack. 

[moosehead]

7 minutes ago, Taxi said:

 

This is completely wrong. Iran represents a very real threat. Wiping the floor with Iran would lead to a world war. Israel is stuck in a position that every time they let their guard down a major attack comes their way. That's not acceptable. 

 

Every time Israel has loosened a restriction on Gaza it has blown up their face. They withdrew their settlers, and the Gazans voted in Hamas. They allowed 20,000 workers form Gaza to come into Israel in 2023, and Hamas used it as an opportunity to gather intel for their Oct 7 attack. 

 

Making excuses for oppression and race based  government policies that is allowing this conflict to continue on for way too long.

 

The only way forward is a negotiated peace plan.   Blaming others  and  raced based government policies will not move either group towards peace.

 

Long term peace is what we want , no ?

Edited November 9, 2023 by moosehead

[Taxi]

5 minutes ago, moosehead said:

Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss told The Post he and the group he was with urge world leaders to “not join with the Zionist murderers.”

 

“With the help of the almighty, we are out here, because it’s over a month of the slaughter of the good people of Palestine, the good people of Gaza. It is being bombed in my name and the name of Judaism,” he argued. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/09/metro/hundreds-of-anti-israel-protesters-descend-on-ny-times-building/

 This guy is anti-Israel. His views are based on his religion, which states that only the Messiah can bring back the Kingdom of Israel. His views are not based on any kind of logic or current events:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yisroel_Dovid_Weiss

 

The fact that he is allowed to speak so freely shows the difference between Judaism and some other religions. No one has made an attempt on his life, called him an apostate, etc...

[Optimist Prime]

Game time! Flipping channels, puck drip in ten or so minutes.

[Taxi]

Just now, moosehead said:

 

This is totally the kind of attitude of making excuses for oppression and race based  government policies that is allowing this conflict to continue on for way too long.

 

The only way forward is a negotiated peace plan.   Blaming others  and  raced based government policies will not move either group towards peace.

 

Long term peace is what we want , no ?

 

What does protecting your citizens from Iran's proxy armies have to do with race based government policies? Are you stating that Iran doesn't fund Hamas and Hezbollah. Because, in reality, Iran gives them billions of dollars worth of weapons and funds. 

[moosehead]

7 minutes ago, Taxi said:

 

What does protecting your citizens from Iran's proxy armies have to do with race based government policies? Are you stating that Iran doesn't fund Hamas and Hezbollah. Because, in reality, Iran gives them billions of dollars worth of weapons and funds. 

 

Yes Iran funds Hamas and USA funds Israel.......   the conflict goes on.

 

Time to negotiate a 2 state solution with peacekeepers... and start the healing.  

[Alflives]

7 hours ago, Optimist Prime said:

an hour ago

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British Foreign Minister: We support a security role for Israel in Gaza for a transitional period

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The Israeli army says that infantry, armor and engineering forces of the 162nd Division, with IAF air support and the assistance of special forces, raided the military quarter of the Hamas terrorist organization in the heart of Gaza City, near the Shifa Hospital

 

I would expect the higher ups of Hsmas to surrender quick too. Especially when facing actual armed soldiers. 

[moosehead]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I would expect the higher ups of Hsmas to surrender quick too. Especially when facing actual armed soldiers. 

 

Hamas will be in civilian clothes by now  disappearing into the general population....

Israel will know deets of their leaders and track them down the next 10 years.....

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by moosehead

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, moosehead said:

 

Hamas will be in civilian clothes by now  disappearing into the general population....

 

Why don’t they stand and fight? 

[moosehead]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Why don’t they stand and fight? 

 

They want to live now  to commit terror again at a later date when the terms are more favourable for them......

 

Fighting a conventional war against IDF better equipped forces would be suicide.....

Edited November 10, 2023 by moosehead

[Alflives]

Just now, moosehead said:

 

They want to live to commit terror again at a later date when the terms are more favourable for them......

So they are not actual soldiers but just terrorists? Maybe the majority of Palestinian o pop Ripken in Gaza will welcome the Israeli troops protection from the terrorist Hamas? 

[moosehead]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So they are not actual soldiers but just terrorists? Maybe the majority of Palestinian o pop Ripken in Gaza will welcome the Israeli troops protection from the terrorist Hamas? 

 

Guerrilla warfare 

 

Guerrilla warfare is a type of asymmetric warfare: competition between opponents of unequal strength. It is also a type of irregular warfare: that is, it aims not simply to defeat an invading enemy, but to win popular support and political influence, to the enemy's cost.

Edited November 10, 2023 by moosehead

[Alflives]

15 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

They want to live now  to commit terror again at a later date when the terms are more favourable for them......

 

Fighting a conventional war against IDF better equipped forces would be suicide.....

Sure but the Hamas fighters have the chance to surprise the IDF soldiers. It might be suicide but they would certainly inflict damage on IDF soldiers and die fighting. Do they just want to hide and to only terrorize those who aren’t capable to fight back? 
(as an aside. Do you ever post in the hockey threads? It would be nice to share a thread that isn’t so sad.) 
 

Edited November 10, 2023 by Alflives

[moosehead]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sure but the Hamas fighters have the chance to surprise the IDF soldiers. It might be suicide but they would certainly inflict damage on IDF soldiers and die fighting. Do they just want to hide and to only terrorize those who aren’t capable to fight back? 
 

 

Oh i am sure some of Hamas  will trying urban guerilla war tactics now against IDF forces...   trying to inflict deaths..

 

But i think Hamas will preserve the bulk of their forces for a later date when the odds are more in their favour....  for a  continuation of this conflict. 

Hamas / terrorists  likely prefers to attack softer targets.... eg. civilians. 

 

Again. Just my opinion of course. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by moosehead

[RomanPer]

1 hour ago, Optimist Prime said:

From Israel's perspective, Palestinians had that and wanted more, and blew up buses and beheaded their neighbours to make their point. I know, not all of them, but cheering it on while your cousin does it is still horrid. In every one of the, and I keep saying it, 16 times that Palestinians waged war along with their allies on Israel, the coll3ctive mindset of the Palestinians was for murdering jews. Nothing in that history informs me that any Gazans should be allowed to roam free in Israel. Obviously Israel agrees, however those who were proven safe had passes, worked, shopped and used Israeli hospitals until recently. That is probably gone now too for a long while.

 

Lol, about Israelis to look at pluralism by moosehead. There's a good saying "2 Jews - 3 opinions". The whole mess of a coalition government is because of pluralism taken to an extreme.

[RomanPer]

44 minutes ago, Taxi said:

 This guy is anti-Israel. His views are based on his religion, which states that only the Messiah can bring back the Kingdom of Israel. His views are not based on any kind of logic or current events:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yisroel_Dovid_Weiss

 

The fact that he is allowed to speak so freely shows the difference between Judaism and some other religions. No one has made an attempt on his life, called him an apostate, etc...

 

Not only that - his group is a fringe sect. I pointed it out numerous times in this thread, but those who keep on bringing him up conveniently ignore that.

[Taxi]

36 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Yes Iran funds Hamas and USA funds Israel.......   the conflict goes on.

 

Time to negotiate a 2 state solution with peacekeepers... and start the healing.  

Israel has tried that many times. Hamas is the one that's stated they will never make a permanent deal with Israel of any kind.

[Taxi]

27 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Hamas will be in civilian clothes by now  disappearing into the general population....

Israel will know deets of their leaders and track them down the next 10 years.....

 

The higher ups in Hamas always wore civilian clothes. They are insanely rich and love to convince teenagers to die for them. Israel has the head of Hamas, Sinwar, trapped in a bunker. Once he's dead, I likely see Israel declaring victory and calling it.

[moosehead]

Just now, Taxi said:

The higher ups in Hamas always wore civilian clothes. They are insanely rich and love to convince teenagers to die for them. Israel has the head of Hamas, Sinwar, trapped in a bunker. Once he's dead, I likely see Israel declaring victory and calling it.

 

Makes sense. You may be right...

[Elias Pettersson]

35 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Hamas will be in civilian clothes by now  disappearing into the general population....

Israel will know deets of their leaders and track them down the next 10 years.....

 

 

Didn’t you say that the only way to eliminate Hamas is for their own people to kill them?  So, if they are in the general population, wouldn’t that be a perfect time to do that?

[moosehead]

7 minutes ago, Taxi said:

The higher ups in Hamas always wore civilian clothes. They are insanely rich and love to convince teenagers to die for them. Israel has the head of Hamas, Sinwar, trapped in a bunker. Once he's dead, I likely see Israel declaring victory and calling it.

 

He seemed to have the terrorist life.....

 

 

Born in the Khan Yunis refugee camp in Egyptian-ruled Gaza in 1962, his family was expelled or fled from Al-Majdal Asqalan (Ashkelon) during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. He finished his studies at the Islamic University of Gaza where he received a bachelor's degree in Arabic Studies.

 

Orchestrating abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators in 1989, he was sentenced to four life sentences by Israel, of which he served 22 years until his release among 1,026 others in a 2011 prisoner exchange in exchange for an abducted Israeli soldier.^[4] In 2017, he was elected as Hamas' leader, and claimed to pursue "peaceful, popular resistance" the following year, a position which was later abandoned.^[8] He was re-elected as Hamas leader in 2021, and was subject to an assassination attempt by Israel that year

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Sinwar

[moosehead]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Didn’t you say that the only way to eliminate Hamas is for their own people to kill them?  So, if they are in the general population, wouldn’t that be a perfect time to do that?

 

Palestinians will not get rid of Hamas until they see a better option.    Build it and he will come....

 

 

 

[Alflives]

35 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Oh i am sure some of Hamas  will trying urban guerilla war tactics now against IDF forces...   trying to inflict deaths..

 

But i think Hamas will preserve the bulk of their forces for a later date when the odds are more in their favour....  for a  continuation of this conflict. 

Hamas / terrorists  likely prefers to attack softer targets.... eg. civilians. 

 

Again. Just my opinion of course. 

IMHAO the tactics used by Hamas cannot be described as guerrilla but only as terrorist. IMHAO there are a lot of Palestinian people in Gaza who are happy to see the IDF soldiers. They want to flee the fighting but couldn’t until the IDF soldiers were there to protect their pathway to safety from Hamas.