Hamas attacking Israel

[RomanPer]

7 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Does Israel get money or somehow any support from the worldwide sales of SSD's that it uses towards the occupation and attacks on Palestine? No. So no need to boycott SSD's. 

 

Lol. Do you know how taxes work? Let me explain it to you in layman’s term. Company XYZ is Israeli business that invents something useful and sells it worldwide. Every dollar they earn is taxable by the Israeli government. Part of the corporate taxes paid by company XYZ goes towards financing of the Israeli Defence Forces. But wait, it doesn’t end there. All the Israeli employees of company XYZ pay income tax to Israeli government. Part of these taxes goes towards financing of the Israeli Defence Forces. Every single business entity and individual that earns salary in Israel is supporting Israeli Defence Forces financially. So, tell me again how purchasing of SDDs is not contributing to IDF kicking Hamas ass  

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, RomanPer said:

 

Lol. Do you know how taxes work? Let me explain it to you in layman’s term. Company XYZ is Israeli business that invents something useful and sells it worldwide. Every dollar they earn is taxable by the Israeli government. Part of the corporate taxes paid by company XYZ goes towards financing of the Israeli Defence Forces. But wait, it doesn’t end there. All the Israeli employees of company XYZ pay income tax to Israeli government. Part of these taxes goes towards financing of the Israeli Defence Forces. Every single business entity and individual that earns salary in Israel is supporting Israeli Defence Forces financially. So, tell me again how purchasing of SDDs is not contributing to IDF kicking Hamas ass  

Maybe the majority of common folk in Gaza are welcoming the IDF forces? They want Hamas gone and needed help in doing so. 

[RomanPer]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Maybe the majority of common folk in Gaza are welcoming the IDF forces? They want Hamas gone and needed help in doing so. 

That much I don’t know. But the fact that people are flooding to the south under the protection of Israeli forces speaks volumes.

[Super19]

5 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

Lol. Do you know how taxes work? Let me explain it to you in layman’s term. Company XYZ is Israeli business that invents something useful and sells it worldwide. Every dollar they earn is taxable by the Israeli government. Part of the corporate taxes paid by company XYZ goes towards financing of the Israeli Defence Forces. But wait, it doesn’t end there. All the Israeli employees of company XYZ pay income tax to Israeli government. Part of these taxes goes towards financing of the Israeli Defence Forces. Every single business entity and individual that earns salary in Israel is supporting Israeli Defence Forces financially. So, tell me again how purchasing of SDDs is not contributing to IDF kicking Hamas ass  

How is this Israeli Company XYZ earning even a single cent from a sale of a Lenovo laptop equipped with an SSD drive?

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

That much I don’t know. But the fact that people are flooding to the south under the protection of Israeli forces speaks volumes.

Clearly the IDF are trying to help the innocent Gaza people. Hopefully Hamas is eliminated and their leaders (living those cushy lives abroad) are found, tried, and hanged. 

[Optimist Prime]

7 minutes ago, Super19 said:

How is this Israeli Company XYZ earning even a single cent from a sale of a Lenovo laptop equipped with an SSD drive?

Seems like we are getting off topic: Do we need a thread for micro and macro economics and patent law? oooo interesting aside: syria has no copyright protection at all. You invent something in Syria: you are just the guy that thought of it first. I kind of like that actually.

[Canuck Surfer]

1 hour ago, moosehead said:

 

Try to keep up......  Palestinians are just like you and me..  they will support leadership that is most likely going to bring them a brighter future

 

Palestinians may be like us.

 

What you are missing is they live under the persecution of Hamas more than Israel. See your own article by Wiki about Yahya Sinwar.  He was the enforcer, the muscle who demands absolute authority for Hamas. By killing those opposed, or who protested the militant view he espoused, did not pay the security tax or help support the underground network & system of market he helped organize. Missed or disregarded the article via You Tube I posted about a protestor from Gaza who escaped to Belgium. He had his face & voice hidden as he feared his parents, or relatives, siblings would be shot or made to pay atonement.   

 

Palestinians live their lives trying to stay out of view of those who run their 'country.' 

 

They don't support Hamas for a brighter future. Many choose to stay, its where they grew up; don't want to leave.  Or don't want to network with Hamas so they can leave?

[Super19]

10 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

That much I don’t know. But the fact that people are flooding to the south under the protection of Israeli forces speaks volumes.

The Nakba of 2023?

You do realize they are moving south by foot to escape being killed by Israeli bombs? I'm sure they would rather be at home in peace. Furthermore, many would actually rather die in their homes up North rather than leave. 

[Super19]

2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

Seems like we are getting off topic: Do we need a thread for micro and macro economics and patent law?

Patent law I could do without, but micro&macro economics and an investing thread would be interesting. 

[Super19]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Clearly the IDF are trying to help the innocent Gaza people. Hopefully Hamas is eliminated and their leaders (living those cushy lives abroad) are found, tried, and hanged. 

Again, how does Nentanyahu expect to eliminate Hamas? This bombing campaign and making Gaza inhabitable for the Palestinians is not going to eliminate Hamas. How many children in Gaza today will not grow up with vengeance in their blood towards Israel after seeing all the destruction Israel is causing to them right now? 

[Satchmo]

2 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Again, how does Nentanyahu expect to eliminate Hamas? This bombing campaign and making Gaza inhabitable for the Palestinians is not going to eliminate Hamas. How many children in Gaza today will not grow up with vengeance in their blood towards Israel after seeing all the destruction Israel is causing to them right now? 

The only answer I can give to either question is that you and I will just have to wait and find out.

 

We'll probably have time to do a lot of talking until then.

[Canuck Surfer]

 

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/09/i-strangled-them-with-my-own-hands-chilling-transcript-of-1989-questioning-of-yahya-sinwar-revealed/

 

'I strangled them with my own hands': Chilling transcript of 1989 questioning of Yahya Sinwar revealed

At the time, the future Hamas leader was in charge of tracking down collaborators with Israel. While being questioned by the Shin Bet security agency, he spared no detail about the gruesome ways in which he murdered them.

 By  Netael Bandel

 

 Published on  11-09-2023 13:30

 Last modified: 11-09-2023 15:49

 

Yahia Sinwar (C), Gaza Strip chief of the Palestinian Islamist Hamas movement, waves to supporters as he arrives to attend a rally marking Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day, a commemoration in support of the Palestinian people celebrated annually on the last Friday of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, in Gaza City, on April 14, 2023 | Photo: AFP /Mohammed Abed  A newly revealed transcript of a 1989 questioning of Yahya Sinwar points to the Hamas leader's decades-long history of violence. That year, Yahya was arrested by the Shin Bet security agency in Khan Yunis for the murder of collaborators with Israel.     Balance of article in spoiler. 

Spoiler

Sinwar, who was in charge of gathering intelligence about collaborators at the time, surprised investigators when he gave them a tour around Gaza revealing the locations where he had buried the bodies of the collaborators he had murdered, mostly by suffocating them with his own hands.

 

"I'm ready to tell you everything, from the beginning, things I've done and never talked about," a transcript of the interrogation, which is 10 pages long and is kept in the archives of the Supreme court, said.

 

Around three years earlier, in 1986, Sinwar had partnered with the then-head of Hamas Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. Yassin had just been released from prison in Israel, one of 1,151 prisoners released as part of the Jibril Agreement in return for which three Israeli soldiers who had been taken hostage during the 1982 Lebanon War were released.

 

In coordination with Yassin, Sinwar founded a sub-group whose task was to identify collaborators with Israel.

 

"When Sheikh Yassin was released from prison in the exchange deal, I would go to visit him," Sinwar said. "We sat and talked among ourselves about all kinds of things, and among other things, we also talked about the situation in the Gaza Strip, the situation of Islam and the collaborators with Israel. We decided to employ people who would gather information on the collaborators and on everyone who is against the religion and Islam. I knew it was dangerous, so I recruited Rawhi Jamal who could be trusted. He agreed.

 

"I updated Sheikh Yassin and we started working. Each was responsible for a different area, I received the southern area of the Gaza Strip. We would pass the information between us in mailboxes in mosques."

 

Sinwar told investigators that he later recruited more operatives, mainly from the universities of Gaza, and that the assassinations were approved by Yassin.

 

Throughout the hours-long questioning, Sinwar provided gruesome details of the murders of collaborators, all of which he committed himself – either by shooting or suffocating the suspect with his own hands.

 

In one instance, Sinwar surveilled a Gazan named Rasmi Salim after receiving information that he was an apostate and collaborated with Israel.

 

"We were driving a white Peugeot, stopped next to Rasmi, caught him, and pushed him in the car," Sinwar described with eerie casualness. "We interrogated Rasmi, and he admitted that he was in contact with the Israeli intelligence, with a man named Abu Rami. He also admitted that he used to bring girls to his shop and mess with them.

 

"We took him to the cemetery in Khan Yunis, without telling him what we were going to do. I tied his eyes with a rag so he couldn't see, put him in a large grave I saw, and suffocated him with a rag I had. After strangling him, I wrapped him in a white cloth and closed the grave. I understood from Rasmi that he realized that he deserved to die."

 

Sinwar also told the investigators that Hamas later provided him with a weapon, but he preferred to kill the suspects himself.

Thus, for instance, he described how, following similar intel, the group killed a Gazan named Adnan Safur, whom Sinwar threatened with a gun and kidnapped.

 

Following a violent interrogation ("We beat him"), Safur admitted that he had collaborated with Israel, which immediately sealed his faith. "I suffocated him with a keffiyeh, we dug in the place and Rawhi and I buried him there," Sinwar said.

Details of two more murders were provided.

 

"We saw Fathi Issa walking alone in the Bureij refugee camp," Sinwar told investigators. "We got out of the vehicle, threatened him with a gun, and shoved him in the car. From there we drove to an orchard and I interrogated Fathi.

 

"I grabbed his throat with one hand and started choking him, with the other hand I punched him in the stomach and suddenly he had a heart attack and died. We drove to the neighborhood of Sheikh Radwan, and using a hoe I had in the car we dug a hole. When we finished, we returned to the orchard to take the body and drove to the hole to bury him."

 

Sinwar and his men's next target was Hussein al-Sir from Khan Yunis, a wealthy man who used to show off his Mercedes car.

"When we found him inside his vehicle, I took out the gun and threatened him. I put the gun to his neck, I told him 'get in my car', and when he got out of his car he started to resist.

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"I pressed the gun to his neck so that he would get in the car, but then a bullet came out and hit him because I left the hatch open. We quickly put him in the car and drove away. We arrived behind a factory, and there we buried the body. After that, we washed the car of the blood and all the marks and went home. After some time, I think the next day, we saw the [Israeli] military there and knew that they had found Hussein's body."

 

For these and other murders, Sinwar was convicted and sentenced to five life sentences which he was supposed to serve until his death, but in October 2011 he was released from prison – having only served 22 years – as part of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

While in prison, Sinwar learned Hebrew, and he gained power and popularity within Hamas and became its Gaza leader in February 2017, after defeating Ismail Haniyeh in internal elections.

 

 

Tell me who will cross Sinwar or his network???  

 

We should also ask ourselves if it was a mistake to trade a hostage for Yahya?  I believe it was; he would have died in prison.  

[Canuck Surfer]

39 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Does Israel get money or somehow any support from the worldwide sales of SSD's that it uses towards the occupation and attacks on Palestine? No. So no need to boycott SSD's. 

 

A sideline thought?  Look at Gaza, its 'tax' base, the corruption and perversion of its markets as black markets.

 

 

 

 

The single biggest factor in the ability of entities like Hamas to exist?  The ability to create underground economies, untaxed, use muscle and extortion to control neighborhoods, streets. Tunnels... As these gangs & militia's get larger, than life literally, they control police, justice systems, the govt., trade routes in and out of Gaza become the lifeblood income. After oil in the Middle East?

 

I would be surprised if money laundering, human trafficking, 'security,' and illegal arms sales were all not in the top 10. Top 5?  I have heard people say as much as 70% of Gaza's economy is underground.  Leaders like Ismail Haniyeh are reported to have at least $5 Billion put away. That's what has been able to be put on the books, secured. He would be in control of revenue ten x that to sock that away.

 

The solution to gaining security in Gaza, places like Syria although I digress? Is an effective tax system, where money actually starts to go to aid, education, services.

 

Cut off illegal streams of money, seize those illegally gained to be restored in to the community.      

[RomanPer]

51 minutes ago, Super19 said:

How is this Israeli Company XYZ earning even a single cent from a sale of a Lenovo laptop equipped with an SSD drive?

Lol. You have much to learn about how computer building business works.

[RomanPer]

46 minutes ago, Super19 said:

The Nakba of 2023?

You do realize they are moving south by foot to escape being killed by Israeli bombs? I'm sure they would rather be at home in peace. Furthermore, many would actually rather die in their homes up North rather than leave. 

Are you serious right now? Not sure what to say here without being banned…

[moosehead]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Maybe the majority of common folk in Gaza are welcoming the IDF forces? They want Hamas gone and needed help in doing so. 

 

Yah, don't think Palestinians  are welcoming having their homes, churches, schools bombed.   Power turned off.    Food and water  imports cut off. 

Their hospitals closed / or bombed. Everything they have their whole life building... now destroyed / taken from them - lost. 

Fleeing for their lives. Unsure if they can ever return or where will they will end up living next......  Will they ever see their friends / neighbours again . Are there best friends and relatives even alive.....

 

No I am pretty sure the innocent civilians are not welcoming the IDF.     

Edited November 10, 2023 by moosehead

[Super19]

12 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

Are you serious right now? Not sure what to say here without being banned…

Sorry. The comments about IDF soldiers are helping Palestinians got on my nerves. 

[Canuck Surfer]

Wild & positive hearing this from a German Chancellor. Apropos!   

 

Jewish people outkasts again... 

 

 

[moosehead]

13 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Sorry. The comments about IDF soldiers are helping Palestinians got on my nerves. 

 

Rightfully so, it is the kind of comment that would offend most people. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by moosehead

[King Heffy]

24 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Sorry. The comments about IDF soldiers are helping Palestinians got on my nerves. 

Killing Hamas is doing the Palestinians a favor.  They will have a better future once the Hamas leadership is exterminated and a civilized government is in place. Every terrorist the Israelis kill is one that cannot prey on innocent civilians in Gaza.

[RomanPer]

31 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Sorry. The comments about IDF soldiers are helping Palestinians got on my nerves. 

 

Maybe you should check the facts instead of coming with propaganda-induced preconceived notion…

[moosehead]

Madrid, Spain – In an interview with Al Jazeera, a Spanish minister has called on the international community to sanction Israel, which she accused of a “planned genocide” of Palestinians in Gaza.

 

Ione Belarra, the Spanish minister for social rights and leader of the far-left Podemos party, also condemned world leaders for an apparent double standard – saying while human rights abuses in Ukraine have been decried, there is a “deafening silence” on the victims of Israeli bombardment.

 

The Israeli state must end this planned genocide against the Palestine people,” Belarra said on Wednesday.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/8/deafening-silence-spanish-minister-calls-on-europe-to-sanction-israel

[moosehead]

Red Cross says it has resumed patient escorts to Gaza border after its convoy was hit

 

The humanitarian group had temporarily halted patient escorts to the Gaza border with Egypt after its convoy came under fire on Tuesday, the ICRC’s Gaza delegation chief told the Reuters news agency.

 

William Schomburg called the incident “deeply alarming” and appealed for safety guarantees.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/9/israel-gaza-war-live-day-34

[Super19]

6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Killing Hamas is doing the Palestinians a favor.  They will have a better future once the Hamas leadership is exterminated and a civilized government is in place. Every terrorist the Israelis kill is one that cannot prey on innocent civilians in Gaza.

Again, I'm asking is how does Nentanyahu expect to kill Hamas? It seems as if he is creating more Hamas with the way he is doing things right now. You can agree that making Gaza inhabitable and killing an outrageous amount of Palestinians is not the way to fight Hamas.

You need to understand that Israel needs to lift this dark cloud of occupation over Palestine, for there to be a better future and peace for both. It starts with condemning Israeli oppression, and then condemning Hamas. I argue, that if there was no Israeli oppression, there is no future for Hamas. 
 

[King Heffy]

Just now, Super19 said:

Again, I'm asking is how does Nentanyahu expect to kill Hamas? It seems as if he is creating more Hamas with the way he is doing things right now. You can agree that making Gaza inhabitable and killing an outrageous amount of Palestinians is not the way to fight Hamas.

You need to understand that Israel needs to lift this dark cloud of occupation over Palestine, for there to be a better future and peace for both. It starts with condemning Israeli oppression, and then condemning Hamas. I argue, that if there was no Israeli oppression, there is no future for Hamas. 
 

Occupation is the only way to exterminate Hamas.  They just need to provide a better standard of living than Hamas did, which isn't difficult.  Every last member of Hamas needs to be hunted down and executed.