iinatcc Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Well I guess it means Hamas and the Israeli Government have the same mind set then 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Are we going to start posting the almost daily official Hamas statements in this thread now? I mean with how credible the IDF seems right now, why not post both sides official statements! ... Initially Hamas probably didn't think the number of Palestenian casualties would be this bad. I'm sure they expected some, but they were probably banking on the international community to not let this heavy handed response go on as long and as heavy as it has. They probably thought Israel is gonna get a few good shots in, and then eventually the hostage - prisoner swap and ceasefire would happen. And/or Hamas was probably banking on the regional players to help them once Israel clapped back. Hamas was wrong on both, a tragic miscalculation on their part to put it nicely. These innocent Palestinians got screwed by Hamas and IDF. Hamas thought a few sacrifices would bring Palestenians freedom, IDF is saying this is just collateral damage for eventual freedom. Reality right now is both of these groups effed them (IDF more). Now time will tell what the Palestenians fate is. Edited November 18, 2023 by Super19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Gurn said: Not very. Nor for that matter is anything from Hamas. Strange, just a few wars ago Colin Powell, along with others, got trotted out on national tv to spout bullshit. People believed it then, but found out different later on; yet here we go again. "The first casualty of war is truth" "Fama, malam qua non aliud velocius ullum " Virgil While not a direct transaction this seems to be the origin of this saying " A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on " 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: So where is the evidence that Israel's "other" rockets burst in the air and caused shrapnel to fall in the parking lot? Al Jazeera doesn't have any evidence to claim this... Also, Hamas propaganda said initially that the hospital was hit and 500 people died. Are we supposed to believe them now that they keep changing their story? Al Jazeera lost all credibility when their reporter turned away from the man in the hospital who was starting to talk about the Hamas people hiding among the patients. Totally disgusting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 58 minutes ago, Alflives said: Al Jazeera lost all credibility when their reporter turned away from the man in the hospital who was starting to talk about the Hamas people hiding among the patients. Totally disgusting. The apologist Humas supporters on this thread carry out the propaganda theme they hope will destroy support for Israel. The core is anti semitic. A real concern of the IDF is how many Humas terrorist are blending into the refugees trying to get out? I suggest a substantial number. My take on this is that Israel is never going to risk a peace without their own internal assessment over security. Palestinians have been exploited by their own leaders and their Arab neighbors for decades. The rising threat of a nuclear Iran has convinced Sunni Arab countries that accommodation with Israel is in their national interest. Fanning anti Jewish hysteria as a unifying tool that can distract their own government's corruption and exploitation is being shelved to fight Iran. What Israeli government either the one today or a new one in the future can truly trust a Arab olive branch? None can. It will be detente based on military strength. As you have so accurately pointed out Hamas is scum. The sooner Palestinians are rid of them the better. Hopefully new leadership, supported by world governments can carve out a piece of prosperity in the future. In the process of destroying Humas the IDF should not risk the life of 1 soldier. Shoot first and assess later. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Gurn said: Not very. Nor for that matter is anything from Hamas. Strange, just a few wars ago Colin Powell, along with others, got trotted out on national tv to spout bullshit. People believed it then, but found out different later on; yet here we go again. "The first casualty of war is truth" It is, but that also doesn't change the fundamental issues with this conflict. Strip away all the social media bs and we still need to see Israel protect itself, Hamas still needs to go. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 ANTISEMITISM “Innocence shattered” as Toronto’s largest Jewish high school evacuated Friday after bomb threat The Anne & Max Tanenbaum Community Hebrew Academy of Toronto was evacuated Friday morning after receiving a threat that explosives had been planted throughout the campus, Ben Cohen reports. With the aid of bomb-sniffing dogs, police determined there were no explosives in the area. It’s just the latest in a rising number of antisemitic incidents in the city following the ongoing Israel-Hamas war. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 IDF is evil? I recognize some will say this is fake news.. but timesofisrael seems to be a common source The military says soldiers transferred over 6,000 liters of water and over 2,300 kg of food to Shifa Hospital. “This activity was done in parallel with the IDF activities to locate and thwart terrorism in the hospital, the IDF says https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/army-says-shifa-given-6000-liters-of-water-2300-kg-of-food/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bob Long said: It is, but that also doesn't change the fundamental issues with this conflict. Strip away all the social media bs and we still need to see Israel protect itself, Hamas still needs to go. The issue is not Israel defending itself- it is, currently; how Israel is defending itself. The irony being all this anti labelling is kind of like the beginning of how people get into a lot of these wars. My side your side Their side the good side the bad side So much easier to kill people after they get called names, makes it seem like they are doing the world a favour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: The issue is not Israel defending itself- it is, currently; how Israel is defending itself. The irony being all this anti labelling is kind of like the beginning of how people get into a lot of these wars. My side your side Their side the good side the bad side So much easier to kill people after they get called names, makes it seem like they are doing the world a favour. Right, it is all around "how" which is rife with opportunity for bs. There's no perfect way to run a war. If there are war crimes they will be pursued when this is over. But right now we have people having a trial and convicting Israelis of crimes with instant outrage tweets, and we can see the damage that's doing around the world. Imo we see an unrealistic standard being applied to Israel compared to other conflicts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 THe best war, for the people of Gaza is the one that wasn't started by Hamas on Oct 7th. none of us have time machines so that is a moot point. Hamas must be removed, either by surrender or by capture or by their own preferred path : martyrdom. it is incredibly sad that Hamas chooses to take civilians with them. They have posted videos about making civilians martyrs for their cause. It is their battle plan. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Optimist Prime said: ANTISEMITISM “Innocence shattered” as Toronto’s largest Jewish high school evacuated Friday after bomb threat The Anne & Max Tanenbaum Community Hebrew Academy of Toronto was evacuated Friday morning after receiving a threat that explosives had been planted throughout the campus, Ben Cohen reports. With the aid of bomb-sniffing dogs, police determined there were no explosives in the area. It’s just the latest in a rising number of antisemitic incidents in the city following the ongoing Israel-Hamas war. We cannot let anti-Semitism and Islamophobia run rampant in Canada. An Islamic community centre also needed to be evacuated due to a bomb threat. "The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM) said what being reported is just a sliver of what’s actually happening on the streets and in the community. “We’ve had hundreds of incident reported to us at NCCM. When we speak to people, really horrific things that have happened to them, have been said to them and done to them and in many cases, they don’t want to report to police, they do not want to speak about it publicly and that’s because of fear of backlash, and fear of being re-targeted,” said Uthman Quick, Director of Communications with NCCM." A few days ago a taxi driver in Ontario was physically assaulted for being Muslim. Edited November 18, 2023 by Super19 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) What's with the TiK Tok trend of praising Osama bin laden? No condemnation of Muslim killing each other in the Yemen or Syria but very easy to reach for anti semite hate. I wonder what the Canadian or American response would be if 1200 innocent people were barbarically murdered? But Israel shouldn't be allowed to go into Gaza and hold terrorist to justice? Has Hamas released all the hostages to stop the war yet? Edited November 18, 2023 by bolt 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Israel just air striked another UN school killing 150-250 Palestinians https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-air-strike-un-school-devastating-attacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Coincidence that this statement comes a day after Israel took over Al Shifa Hospital, nothing to see here. Quote 4 hours ago Hamas' military spokesperson Abu Ubaida says the group has lost contact with a number of groups charged with guarding Israeli hostages, and that their fate is unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 And a reminder of another UN school run by UNRWA, the agency that employs 3000 Palestinians and up to 80% of which are Hamas affiliated: a couple weeks back. Military Quarter inside a School.mp4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Israeli press is learning more about the Oct 7 attack. See the below tweet: Also, Israels plans moving forward? No free Palestine...from the river to the sea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, Odd. said: Israel just air striked another UN school killing 150-250 Palestinians https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-air-strike-un-school-devastating-attacks Angering. Today saw heavy bombardment throughout Gaza. Israeli airstrikes killed more journalists and children today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 12 hours ago, Super19 said: This guy is pretty much saying all those who attend a pro-Palestine rally are either willfully ignorant or deceptive and that they hate Jews and don't think Jews deserve the State of Israel. Facepalm. I think its clear none of us ITT think that way. Equating palestenian support with a condemnation of the oppressive and occupying forces against Palestine to a hatred of Jewish people and the complete destruction of Israel is a dangerous stretch, and false. This guy is dangerous for saying that, he's the type of guy that could incite a nutcase to stir violence towards Palestinians or someone attending a pro-Palestine march. There's already been one child in Chicago, USA who died because a crazy guy stabbed him for being Palestinian and therefore "future terrorist/antiSemite/nazi". I have a secret for you. He is not talking about Palestinian support. Its about Hamas. Like saying you have no problem with Russians? But do not like Putins regime! Here is a Google of the Palestinian Hamas's key leader Yayhya Sinwar . Who was jailed as he orchestrated abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators in 1989, he was sentenced to four life sentences. A man brought up in the streets, and running student unions that opposed a Peace Plan orchestrated by PLO leader Arafat. Jailed for killing four, hime & his group used widespread extrajudicial violence, killed with their own bare hands opposition; quoted in his own testimony. To scuttle the development of a Palestinian state beside Israel. Question; you are supporting a two state nation now? Do you want a peaceful state, run by its own people for Gaza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Super19 said: Also, Israels plans moving forward? No free Palestine...from the river to the sea.. Would you have expected Germany, after WWII to just sign off and hope for peace in 1945? There will be an expectation of a demilitarized zone. Most likely monitored by a combination of Israeli, Arabic notably the Saudiès & UN soldiers. Help with police, place judicial and government processes in place monitored. To enforce that rebel groups donèt just seize power & start up again. Towards the generation of a Gazan nation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Super19 said: Israeli press is learning more about the Oct 7 attack. See the below tweet: Are u minimizing, or making apologies for Oct 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Are u minimizing, or making apologies for Oct 7? Simply reporting information. Oct 7 inquiry is huge. I think the Israeli official slipped up some information yesterday in that MSNBC interview yesterday with Mehdi Hasan. People on X were quick to connect their own dots. Today, Israeli press learned more and pretty much confirmed the connecting of the dots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Would you have expected Germany, after WWII to just sign off and hope for peace in 1945? There will be an expectation of a demilitarized zone. Most likely monitored by a combination of Israeli, Arabic notably the Saudiès & UN soldiers. Help with police, place judicial and government processes in place monitored. To enforce that rebel groups donèt just seize power & start up again. Towards the generation of a Gazan nation. Palestenians aren't exterminating Jewish people rn, rather, they are the ones being exterminated by the IDF. Also, palestenians are the ones who were being oppressed for the last 20 years. To get rid of Hamas means the oppression needs to end. Israel is the best recruiter for Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 56 minutes ago, Super19 said: Palestenians aren't exterminating Jewish people rn, rather, they are the ones being exterminated by the IDF. Also, palestenians are the ones who were being oppressed for the last 20 years. To get rid of Hamas means the oppression needs to end. Israel is the best recruiter for Hamas. The only reason they are not exterminating Jews is BECAUSE IDF is making it impossible. Your “I’m not creating apologies for Oct 7, just reporting facts” doesn’t fool anyone since the only “facts” you are reporting are any attempt for every anti-Israeli source with ultimate goal to “create apologies for Oct 7”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, RomanPer said: The only reason they are not exterminating Jews is BECAUSE IDF is making it impossible. Your “I’m not creating apologies for Oct 7, just reporting facts” doesn’t fool anyone since the only “facts” you are reporting are any attempt for every anti-Israeli source with ultimate goal to “create apologies for Oct 7”. Palestinians have no desire to exterminate Jewish people. But has Hamas ever said they want to exterminate the Jewish people? IDF are exterminating Palestinians. IDF and Israeli government are doing things worth condemning. They are being called out on it. I'm sorry if you feel this is anti-Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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