Hamas attacking Israel

[Canuck Surfer]

2 hours ago, Super19 said:

Yahya Sinwar was surely a two faced villian who duped Israeli intelligence. Is this military response on all Gazans payback from Israel? 

 

At this point, Israel's response is more than proportionate. If it's the heads of Sinwar and his cronies that Israel wants. Ceasefire. Corner Hamas leaders and give then a diplomatic ultimatum that doesn't involve gloriously fcking up Gaza and the kids living there.

 

I don't mind this post.  The attack is heavily destructive.  But now that we're here already? 

 

Rather than cease fire; stop bringing down whole buildings on civilians. Precision & patience. I am not against flushing the tunnels. With bombs, hell tear gas or just sea water. Evacuate civilians.  Wait them out.  A key problem is logistics.  You need Egypts agreement if you want to make a tent city to the south.  Is there enough room anywhere else?

 

Egypt says they don't want the refugee's.  What they really don't want is retribution for being seen as contributing to much to 'Israel's' war.  

[Canuck Surfer]

Ex-Hamas minister in interrogation: ‘Crazy people’ led by Sinwar ‘destroyed Gaza’

Yousef al-Mansi says Sinwar has ‘delusions of grandeur’ and the Gaza public doesn’t support him; calls the October 7 massacre ‘heresy, madness’

By EMANUEL FABIAN and MICHAEL HOROVITZ

 

Former Hamas communications minister Yousef al-Mansi is seen being interrogated by the Shin Bet, in a video published December 10, 2023. (Shin Bet)

 

Former Hamas communications minister Yousef al-Mansi heavily criticized the current leadership of the terror group in Gaza as a group of “crazy people” led by Yahya Sinwar, in footage of his interrogation published by the Shin Bet security agency Sunday.

 

“They destroyed the Gaza Strip. Set it back 200 years,” al-Mansi, who served under the Strip’s former ruler Ismail Haniyeh — currently the head of Hamas’s political bureau — and in several other roles, said in translated excerpts provided by the Shin Bet. “There is no opportunity to live.”

 

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Former Hamas communications minister Yousef al-Mansi heavily criticized the current leadership of the terror group in Gaza as a group of “crazy people” led by Yahya Sinwar, in footage of his interrogation published by the Shin Bet security agency Sunday.

“They destroyed the Gaza Strip. Set it back 200 years,” al-Mansi, who served under the Strip’s former ruler Ismail Haniyeh — currently the head of Hamas’s political bureau — and in several other roles, said in translated excerpts provided by the Shin Bet. “There is no opportunity to live.”

 

Israel has labeled Sinwar — who rules the enclave and has been marked as the mastermind of Hamas’s devastating October 7 onslaught — a “walking dead man,” along with the rest of the terror group’s senior leadership.

 

In the 14-minute video published by the agency, al-Mansi said, “People in the Gaza Strip say that Sinwar and his group destroyed us, we must get rid of them.”

 

He said in the video that he arrived for his questioning on December 7 and had been at the facility for three days, indicating the session occurred on Sunday. The Shin Bet did not provide further information about when al-Mansi was arrested.

 

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“I have not seen anyone in the Gaza Strip who supports Sinwar; nobody likes Sinwar. There are people who, day and night, pray that God will free us from him,” he said, adding that if he were in Gaza now, he would go and demonstrate against Sinwar.

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Al-Mansi said that Gaza’s ruler has “delusions of grandeur,” and that he “feels like he is above everyone else. Acts only as he thinks. He makes decisions without consulting anyone.”

 

The former Hamas minister said the October 7 massacre — when thousands of Hamas fighters invaded Israel’s south and killed some 1,200 people, most of them civilians murdered amid brutal atrocities, and took another estimated 240 people hostage — was “the opposite of Islam.”

 

“This is heresy, madness. What they did is unacceptable according to logic, religion, or intellect. Those who are responsible for this are Sinwar and his group,” he said, according to the excerpts, adding that the entire Gaza Strip was paying the price for the onslaught.

 

“The achievement of Hamas is killing and the destruction of more than 60 percent of buildings, infrastructure, streets, and public facilities [in the Gaza Strip],” he added.

 

Al-Mansi said in the video that as a result of the war, “over 90%, 95%” of Hamas’s military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, had been decimated, adding, “Al-Qassam is finished.”

 

“This is my assessment, without any details, but whoever sees the destruction in the Gaza Strip will say that it’s more… If there’s something left they would be scattered.”

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The IDF says it has killed 7,000 Hamas members or allied terrorists as it seeks to destroy the terror group, free the hostages, and ensure such a massacre can never occur again. More than 22,000 targets in the Gaza Strip have been struck since the beginning of the war, 3,500 of them since the end of the ceasefire on December 1.

A picture taken from Rafah shows smoke billowing over Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip during an Israeli strike early on December 10, 2023, amid continuing battles between Israel and Hamas. (SAID KHATIB / AFP)

The targets have included Hamas infrastructure, including tunnels, weapons depots, command centers, and rocket launchers, as well as terror operatives.

 

Al-Mansi said that Hamas was no longer “loyal to the nation” since it had taken up the role of ruler of the Gaza Strip in 2007.

On the terror groups funding, al-Mansi said money came in from international groups and Qatar for projects, but there were “unseen” amounts of funding “that come from Iran for the military wing. This is for destruction.”

 

“The [funding] for national projects comes from several international institutions… and most of it doesn’t come through the correct channels,” he said.

 

Israel has long accused Hamas of using international aid to fund its terror activities, and Iran and Qatar have been the terror group’s main backers.

 

The former Hamas minister said the October 7 massacre — when thousands of Hamas fighters invaded Israel’s south and killed some 1,200 people, most of them civilians murdered amid brutal atrocities, and took another estimated 240 people hostage — was “the opposite of Islam.”

[Optimist Prime]

2 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Ex-Hamas minister in interrogation: ‘Crazy people’ led by Sinwar ‘destroyed Gaza’

Yousef al-Mansi says Sinwar has ‘delusions of grandeur’ and the Gaza public doesn’t support him; calls the October 7 massacre ‘heresy, madness’

The former Hamas minister said the October 7 massacre — when thousands of Hamas fighters invaded Israel’s south and killed some 1,200 people, most of them civilians murdered amid brutal atrocities, and took another estimated 240 people hostage — was “the opposite of Islam.”

This is certainly my take on it as well. I have met so many beautiful and amazing Muslims in my life. The sick Hamas twist on their culture is just that, a sick delusion.

[Canuck Surfer]

10 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said:

This is certainly my take on it as well. I have met so many beautiful and amazing Muslims in my life. The sick Hamas twist on their culture is just that, a sick delusion.

 

True story, I'm off to see a guy named Muhammad. It's Wed morning here.

 

Have a great day!

[Super19]

3 hours ago, Taxi said:

 

If there's a ceasefire, Israel can't just go after the leaders. Israel is trying to go after the leaders, but they are hidden deep within (and underneath) civilian areas. Israel is stating that Sinwar his in an aid convoy to get away from them:

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-leader-sinwar-said-to-have-fled-north-gaza-by-hiding-in-humanitarian-convoy/

Flush em out diplomatically. Not by force. I think Israel has attacked back and stood its ground in the region more than enough at this point. The bombing on Gaza has been worse than what CTV is showing us. We don't need more escalations. Houthis getting involved in their enforcement of a blockade, and Hezbollah which is no slouch of an army is ramping up more lately too. 

 

Simply acknowledging and ensuring no more oppression against Palestenians under the condition that this Hamas leadership must surrender themselves will have every Palestenian and sympthazer begging and demanding that the heads of Hamas surrender themselves. 

 

Until then Hamas will never surrender, and Palestenians will continue to be subjected to Israeli oppression and this messed up leadership of Hamas. Which clearly is a messed up negative feedback loop going on for decades.

 

I don't think it's crazy to say "okay we promise to stop treating you like rats and we can work out a proper border for your country, but its up to you first to hand over the heads of your Hamas to obtain your true freedom". And a permanent ceasefire. Just act like most other countries that live next to each other. 

 

Infact, these Abraham's religions have lived in peace on that very same land for hundreds of years. Peace there is not unprecedented. 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Super19

[Super19]

12 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

These folks were stripped to check for on body bombs & weapons.  Will be processed and identity checked. Part of releases if not Hamas fighters. Hiding out, in some ways, is easily understandable.  Hiding out out in and around Sinwars home? Where they were captured??  These guys have already had a better outcome than Hamas victims.

Those prisoners were not taken in and around Sinwars home. They were taken where civillians were, in makeshift refugee camps.

 

This all is even making the US go uhh wtf. It just looks like Israel detained a bunch of Palestenian civillian men, honestly.

[Super19]

Cannot commend the Israeli army for sending out those pitiful leaflets and funneling them into concentrated zones any longer.

 

Cannot justify the growing death toll and destruction of their homes of killed Palestenians any longer. (It's actually collective punishment).

[Super19]

Good. Only took him this long to acknowledge this.

[Taxi]

32 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Flush em out diplomatically. Not by force. I think Israel has attacked back and stood its ground in the region more than enough at this point. The bombing on Gaza has been worse than what CTV is showing us. We don't need more escalations. Houthis getting involved in their enforcement of a blockade, and Hezbollah which is no slouch of an army is ramping up more lately too. 

 

Simply acknowledging and ensuring no more oppression against Palestenians under the condition that this Hamas leadership must surrender themselves will have every Palestenian and sympthazer begging and demanding that the heads of Hamas surrender themselves. 

 

Until then Hamas will never surrender, and Palestenians will continue to be subjected to Israeli oppression and this messed up leadership of Hamas. Which clearly is a messed up negative feedback loop going on for decades.

 

I don't think it's crazy to say "okay we promise to stop treating you like rats and we can work out a proper border for your country, but its up to you first to hand over the heads of your Hamas to obtain your true freedom". And a permanent ceasefire. Just act like most other countries that live next to each other. 

 

Infact, these Abraham's religions have lived in peace on that very same land for hundreds of years. Peace there is not unprecedented. 

 

What does Flush them out Diplomatically mean? Hamas gets support from Iran and Russia, who will continue to support Hamas as long it attacks Israel and the USA.

 

What does "no more oppression" mean? For Hamas it means Israel no longer exists. Israel has tried to work out proper borders, but groups like Hamas have explicitly stated that they will not accept a border of any kind. 

 

Hamas is not going to surrender. Ever. So the options are take them out or leave them. Taking them out will mean more war.

 

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Super19 said:

Flush em out diplomatically. Not by force. I think Israel has attacked back and stood its ground in the region more than enough at this point. The bombing on Gaza has been worse than what CTV is showing us. We don't need more escalations. Houthis getting involved in their enforcement of a blockade, and Hezbollah which is no slouch of an army is ramping up more lately too. 

 

Simply acknowledging and ensuring no more oppression against Palestenians under the condition that this Hamas leadership must surrender themselves will have every Palestenian and sympthazer begging and demanding that the heads of Hamas surrender themselves. 

 

Until then Hamas will never surrender, and Palestenians will continue to be subjected to Israeli oppression and this messed up leadership of Hamas. Which clearly is a messed up negative feedback loop going on for decades.

 

I don't think it's crazy to say "okay we promise to stop treating you like rats and we can work out a proper border for your country, but its up to you first to hand over the heads of your Hamas to obtain your true freedom". And a permanent ceasefire. Just act like most other countries that live next to each other. 

 

Infact, these Abraham's religions have lived in peace on that very same land for hundreds of years. Peace there is not unprecedented. 

Diplomatically? Hamas are evil. The hide behind skirts, babies, and the ill in hospitals. Hamas are the scum of the earth. They need to be completely eliminated. Then, and only then, can the good people of Gaza be free. We should all be thankful for what the IDF is doing to eliminate Hamas. Alf feels compassion for those heroic soldiers who are doing so much to help the people of Gaza be getting rid of Hamas. 

[Yoshiyoshi]

No diplomacy until the hostages are released, no ceasefire. Any nation that responds to a 1200 civilian death terrorist attack with diplomacy doesnt deserve to exist. Im ashamed of Canada right now for its vote in the UN.

[Super19]

53 minutes ago, Taxi said:

 

What does Flush them out Diplomatically mean? Hamas gets support from Iran and Russia, who will continue to support Hamas as long it attacks Israel and the USA.

 

What does "no more oppression" mean? For Hamas it means Israel no longer exists. Israel has tried to work out proper borders, but groups like Hamas have explicitly stated that they will not accept a border of any kind. 

 

Hamas is not going to surrender. Ever. So the options are take them out or leave them. Taking them out will mean more war.

 

An offer they can't refuse. Acknowledge that there has been regretable oppression on Palestenians and give Palestenians their state, under the precondition that these Hamas leaders surrender themselves to the courts. Israel cuts the heads of the snake in two ways 1) literally... the Hamas leaders go to the Hague and await their destiny and 2) the Hamas resistance movement is dead as Palestine is free. It's a true elimination.

 

I think you misjudge... Palestinians just want basic human rights in a country they can call their own. Or at least just basic human rights. It's not a 'death to all Jews' vibe going on there. Some hate towards Israel and vengeance wanted by many? Yes, probably, but can u blame them for thinking that? What I think is important tho is they won't jeoperdize their newfound state and freedom to get their vengeance. The peace will prevail their vengeance.

[Super19]

11 minutes ago, Yoshiyoshi said:

No diplomacy until the hostages are released, no ceasefire. Any nation that responds to a 1200 civilian death terrorist attack with diplomacy doesnt deserve to exist. Im ashamed of Canada right now for its vote in the UN.

Dude, 10k children are already dead. Enough blood has been shed don't you think? How much more bloodthirsty can you get? Until 20k children are killed? 50k? Until a nuke just damns the whole area?

 

Edit: 100% hostages should be released.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Super19

[Super19]

14 minutes ago, Yoshiyoshi said:

No diplomacy until the hostages are released, no ceasefire. Any nation that responds to a 1200 civilian death terrorist attack with diplomacy doesnt deserve to exist. Im ashamed of Canada right now for its vote in the UN.

Also, just to add. Diplomacy and a temporary 'humanitarian truce' has so far been the only thing that brought the hostages back..

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Super19 said:

Flush em out diplomatically. Not by force. I think Israel has attacked back and stood its ground in the region more than enough at this point. The bombing on Gaza has been worse than what CTV is showing us. We don't need more escalations. Houthis getting involved in their enforcement of a blockade, and Hezbollah which is no slouch of an army is ramping up more lately too. 

 

Simply acknowledging and ensuring no more oppression against Palestenians under the condition that this Hamas leadership must surrender themselves will have every Palestenian and sympthazer begging and demanding that the heads of Hamas surrender themselves. 

 

Until then Hamas will never surrender, and Palestenians will continue to be subjected to Israeli oppression and this messed up leadership of Hamas. Which clearly is a messed up negative feedback loop going on for decades.

 

I don't think it's crazy to say "okay we promise to stop treating you like rats and we can work out a proper border for your country, but its up to you first to hand over the heads of your Hamas to obtain your true freedom". And a permanent ceasefire. Just act like most other countries that live next to each other. 

 

Infact, these Abraham's religions have lived in peace on that very same land for hundreds of years. Peace there is not unprecedented. 

 

How can you have diplomatic relations with terrorists?

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Dude, 10k children are already dead. Enough blood has been shed don't you think? How much more bloodthirsty can you get? Until 20k children are killed? 50k? Until a nuke just damns the whole area?

 

Edit: 100% hostages should be released.

Sorry fellow Canuck fan. But Hamas must be eliminated. Yes, they are hiding behind skirts, those in hospitals, and babies. But who is actually to blame for any civilian deaths? IMHAO it’s 100% Hamas. They could fight like soldiers. But instead behave like cowards. 

[Bob Long]

Just now, Super19 said:

Also, just to add. Diplomacy and a temporary 'humanitarian truce' has so far been the only thing that brought the hostages back..

 

Did nothing to flush out Hamas terrorists tho.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

How can you have diplomatic relations with terrorists?

Such a good point. Hamas are scum. It’s sure tells the truth seeing the photos of those cowards after they surrender and they are all so well fed. The good people of Gaza struggle to find enough food while these cowards are fat. Execute them all. 

[Super19]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

Did nothing to flush out Hamas terrorists tho.

More work needs to be done and it ain't bombs. But you can continue supporting this campaign. It's just going to get more heartbreaking, more tragic, and more deaths.

I am scared that the Houthis and Hezbollah getting involved is a real escalation. Houthis said they will launch missiles targeting Saudi Oil fields if anyone attacks their enforcement of their blockade. The Hezbollah army is a threat to Israel unlike Hamas.

 

At first everyone was scared this would spill into the region. And then it didn't for 60 or so days. But things seem to be ramping up now as opposed to cooling down.

[Super19]

13 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

How can you have diplomatic relations with terrorists?

How can you destroy an ideology through bombs?

[Super19]

24 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sorry fellow Canuck fan. But Hamas must be eliminated. Yes, they are hiding behind skirts, those in hospitals, and babies. But who is actually to blame for any civilian deaths? IMHAO it’s 100% Hamas. They could fight like soldiers. But instead behave like cowards. 

ThankGod we can now say that Canada seems to be changing our stance.

 

Ireland's had it right since day 1

Edited December 13, 2023 by Super19

[Alflives]

10 minutes ago, Super19 said:

How can you destroy an ideology through bombs?

So the Hamas government and their doctrine all those who don’t believe as they do should die is good? 

[Bob Long]

14 minutes ago, Super19 said:

More work needs to be done and it ain't bombs. But you can continue supporting this campaign. It's just going to get more heartbreaking, more tragic, and more deaths.

I am scared that the Houthis and Hezbollah getting involved is a real escalation. Houthis said they will launch missiles targeting Saudi Oil fields if anyone attacks their enforcement of their blockade. The Hezbollah army is a threat to Israel unlike Hamas.

 

At first everyone was scared this would spill into the region. And then it didn't for 60 or so days. But things seem to be ramping up now as opposed to cooling down.

 

Please don't assign support to me. Show me in reality how this was going to be any different than it has been.

[Bob Long]

12 minutes ago, Super19 said:

How can you destroy an ideology through bombs?

 

By killing the psychos that lead the cause.

[Alflives]

Just now, Super19 said:

ThankGod we can now say that Canada seems to be changing our stance.

In your opinion. IMHAO Hamas are evil cowards who the IDF are bravely eliminating. Hamas hides behind babies? What kind of sick MOFUs hide behind babies?