Hamas attacking Israel

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

Burning down homes and throwing in grenades first....   all to steal peoples land...    Burning down entire villages....   Bombing residential towers.... well that is not simply negligence.

 

Both sides in this conflict are to blame with their barbaric acts. 

 

 

Didn’t Israel give those people warning? If they didn’t they certainly should have. Give people time to get away to safe zones. 
And why is HAMAS not manning up and fighting the Israeli forces? Do they only fight against those not able to fight back? 

 

[moosehead]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Didn’t Israel give those people warning? If they didn’t they certainly should have. Give people time to get away to safe zones. 
And why is HAMAS not manning up and fighting the Israeli forces? Do they only fight against those not able to fight back? 

 

 

Alf -  you know in your heart that this conflict needs a peaceful resolution. It can not be allowed to continue.  Too much human suffering on both sides. 

 

Truth and reconciliation .....  

[Taxi]

23 hours ago, Provost said:

That is a talking point, not reality.

 

Israel publicly admits it will target a residential apartment building filled with kids and civilians because they think a Hamas leader might live there or weapons might be stored there.

 

That is illegal and a war crime, even if it was true.

 

It is also just nonsense, their intelligence isn’t good enough from stopping attacks like this but they know where every Hamas fighter and rifle is?

 

They do it because it is more fun to send rockets and artillery from afar, regardless of the civilian casualties.  For every Israeli civilian killed in the last few decades there have been hundreds or thousands of Palestinians killed.  That is pure objective fact that both sides agree on.  Israeli leaders boast about it and disproportional response is there public policy.

 

Their position is guerilla fighters should come out in the open somehow away from civilians in one of the most densely packed regions of the world (that has become that packed because it is a ghetto that Israel has displaced most Palestinians from their homes and put them in a reservation/ghetto/prison?  It is dudes with AKs and paragliders against modern tanks, jets, and artillery… 

 

 

 

That's actually not the way war crimes work. The person hiding military targets in civilian centers is committing the war crime. Militaries are allowed to strike those targets, and Israel consistently takes reasonable precautions to avoid civilian casualties. Hence, why despite hundreds of buildings already being destroyed, the Palestinian civilian death count is in the hundreds not tens of thousands. There's no obligation for countries just to sit back and watch their own citizens die, because the other side is breaking the rules.

 

Israel's alternative is not to strike Hamas at all, as Hamas are hiding all of their military supplies, equipment, and personal amongst civilians. They refuse to wear uniforms in combat. They refuse to fight in the open. 

 

Hamas has openly stated over and over that their intention has been to slaughter Israeli civilians in horrific ways. They accomplished this last week. Why are people acting shocked that Hamas, the party the Palestinians elected, is showing their true colours?

 

Also...LOL. Hamas literally just beheaded a bunch of babies and your gripe, about war crimes, concerns the nuances of your interpretation of exactly what the best way to deal with human shields is. If Israel is guilty of massive war crimes, what do you call chopping off a babies head with a machete?

[Canuck You]

What an inhumane world we live in, I don't understand how someone has it in them to kill another person especially children and beheading them on top..You can treat a dog like shit and they will still have your back.

[Taxi]

On 10/10/2023 at 5:31 AM, Boudrias said:

Whether Hamas or Hezbollah are an accurate reflection of Palestinian thought is likely irrelevant. They are conditioned pawns used by those who benefit whether their leadership or their neighboring governments. The difference this time is that their proxy is Tehran and that is not their neighbor. Syria might like to help Hamas but are a basket case, Jordan and Eqypt have reconciled with Israel and see more benefit collaborating with Israel than trying to destroy her. It only really leave Saudi Arabia out of the equation. If the Saudis join their Sunni neighbors in recognizing Israel, which they are doing, then the options left to the Palestinians from a military perspective are gone. The West Bank seems to realize that. The vested interest in armed conflict are on the decline. Iran, itself, must wonder if they are next. The mullahs control in Iran is shaky at best. The forces of liberalization inside Iran still exist and are still at work. We could easily view the Hamas action as a last gasp by the mullahs to reassert or galvanize their support by recreating the Jewish threat. Refocusing the Iranian people away from their own governments incompetence and oppression.      

 

This has a lot to do with Russia and Iran. Israel was on the verge of signing a peace agreement with the Saudis, which would have left Iran surrounded by a unified front. It also would have likely led to a final settlement of the Palestinian/Israeli issue. With the Saudis, the leaders of the Arab League guaranteeing Israel secure borders, that would have taken away a major obstacle to a final peace settlement.

 

Russia is also on the verge of losing their position as a global power, so are doing everything they can to destabilize the world. They are taking the same tactics across Africa and the caucus. All sorts of Russian proxy armies have coincidentally decided now is the time to strike.

[Boudrias]

If the world is so concerned for the Palestinians inside Gaza then open the border to Egypt and house them in camps there until the Israelis do what they have to do. Oh, Egypt has their border with Gaza closed too? Bottom line is that Palestinians have to abandon their solution of killing Jews and destroying the idea of Israel. Palestinians have been used as pawns for decades by many of their own leadership and by other Arabs in surrounding countries. Hamas knew the scale of Israeli retribution would be seismic based on how successful their insurgency was. They have fallen back on their mitigation strategy of showing the suffering of their people on the 5 o'clock news. They parade their captives thru the streets and threaten their lives. Bottom line is that this will make no difference. The Israelis are out for vengeance and a secured southern border. 

 

Once the southern border is secured then Israel can deal with Hezbollah in the north. At this point if clear evidence is established of Iranian involvement an attack on Tehran is not out of the question. Can a strategic strike at Tehran kill enough of the Iranian leadership to in essence decapitate their control of the country? The Saudis know that Iran supplied weapons to Yemen and that those weapons were directed at the Saudi homeland. Ultimately the Saudis don't care enough about the Palestinians to stop Israel from doing what has to be done. The new world developing in the ME will be the elimination of Iran as a military threat and the revitalization of the ME as an economic force. Israel will be a critical partner in that effort.    

 

At this point anything is possible. A question to ask is where will Turkey come down on this situation? 

[Playoff Beered]

Early Intelligence Shows Iranian Leaders Surprised by Hamas Attack, U.S. Says

The information has fueled doubts in the United States that Iran, a longtime supporter of the Palestinian militant group, played a direct role in planning the assault in Israel.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/11/us/politics/iran-israel-gaza-hamas-us-intelligence.html

 

 

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The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas attack in Israel, information that has fueled U.S. doubts that Iran played a direct role in planning the assault, according to several American officials.

These key Iranian officials did not know the attack was coming, according to the intelligence. The United States, Israel and key regional allies have not found evidence that Iran directly helped plan the attack, according to the U.S. officials and another official in the Middle East.

 

While they would not identify the Iranian officials who expressed surprise at the attack, the U.S. officials said they were people who typically would be aware of operations involving the Quds Force, the Iranian government's paramilitary arm that supports and works with proxy forces.

U.S. officials said the intelligence investigation was continuing and could turn up evidence that Iran or other states were directly involved in the Hamas operation. Senior officials said they were keeping an open mind, reviewing old intelligence reports and looking for new information.

 

Iran has provided large numbers of weapons and support to Hamas over many years. U.S. officials have made clear that they believe this makes Tehran broadly complicit in the attack. But that was a different issue than direct knowledge and involvement, they said.

A senior U.S. intelligence official told members of Congress in a briefing on Tuesday that there was no direct link between Iran and the Hamas attack, U.S. officials said. The official provided few details but told lawmakers that U.S. agencies had intelligence contradicting assertions that Iran had helped plan the attack.

 

The United States and its allies regularly track and monitor meetings between Quds Force leaders and their proxies and allies, including Hamas. But officials say there is no evidence that those meetings were used to plan the attack in Israel. While officials concede that there could have been other secret meetings that Western intelligence did not track, for now they have found no evidence of such meetings.

 

The U.S. officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence and requested that The New York Times not report the means of collection to protect sources and methods.

Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser, said on Tuesday that agencies had not collected intelligence about direct Iranian involvement in the attack.

 

Officials said Mr. Sullivan’s remarks reflected the intelligence collected so far, which did not point to direct involvement by Iran.

“We have said since the beginning: Iran is complicit in this attack in a broad sense because they have provided the lion’s share of the funding for the military arm of Hamas,” he said. “They have provided training, they have provided capabilities.”

President Biden is facing fierce criticism from some members of the Republican Party, including candidates for president, who accuse the administration of being soft on Iran. The Biden administration has been trying unsuccessfully to revive a nuclear deal with Iran and recently negotiated a deal for the release of prisoners. In exchange, Iran gained access to $6 billion in frozen oil revenues for humanitarian purposes.

 

Former President Donald J. Trump and other Republicans tried to cast blame on Mr. Biden — saying that those funds helped to finance the assault. But that $6 billion is not U.S. taxpayer money, as Mr. Trump and others, falsely stated. Nor is there evidence that the money, which officials have said is subject to Treasury Department oversight, was used to finance the attacks.

Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen did not rule out the possibility of reversing a decision made last month to unfreeze the $6 billion in Iranian funds if it is determined that the country was involved in the attack by Hamas. Ms. Yellen said the funds had not yet been touched.

The United States moved an aircraft carrier to the region, a step meant to deter Iran or its proxies from opening another front in the wake of the assault.

 

 

 

[Taxi]

9 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

Early Intelligence Shows Iranian Leaders Surprised by Hamas Attack, U.S. Says

The information has fueled doubts in the United States that Iran, a longtime supporter of the Palestinian militant group, played a direct role in planning the assault in Israel.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/11/us/politics/iran-israel-gaza-hamas-us-intelligence.html

 

 

 

 

 

So Iran's role was limited to just giving Hamas all the money and weapons required to pull this off?

[Provost]

18 minutes ago, Taxi said:

 

That's actually not the way war crimes work. The person hiding military targets in civilian centers is committing the war crime. Militaries are allowed to strike those targets, and Israel consistently takes reasonable precautions to avoid civilian casualties. Hence, why despite hundreds of buildings already being destroyed, the Palestinian civilian death count is in the hundreds not tens of thousands. There's no obligation for countries just to sit back and watch their own citizens die, because the other side is breaking the rules.

 

Israel's alternative is not to strike Hamas at all, as Hamas are hiding all of their military supplies, equipment, and personal amongst civilians. They refuse to wear uniforms in combat. They refuse to fight in the open. 

 

Hamas has openly stated over and over that their intention has been to slaughter Israeli civilians in horrific ways. They accomplished this last week. Why are people acting shocked that Hamas, the party the Palestinians elected, is showing their true colours?

 

Also...LOL. Hamas literally just beheaded a bunch of babies and your gripe, about war crimes, concerns the nuances of your interpretation of exactly what the best way to deal with human shields is. If Israel is guilty of massive war crimes, what do you call chopping off a babies head with a machete?

Well you are just 100% factually wrong.  None of what you are saying is true.  The UN disagrees with your made up position.

 

The elected leaders of Israel literally purposefully march through Arab neighbourhoods with tens of thousands of people yelling racist chants like “Death to Arabs”. “Burn them out”… while attacking and beating any Arab they find and having their police beat and jail anyone who dared to protest against it.  Then they wail and moan, then murder and jail a bunch of people when a Palestinian extremist says the same thing.  They pass more and more laws to take away the rights of Arabs.  Their elected officials and citizenry continually refer to Palestinians as sub-humans and animals even before this latest attack.

 

Yes there have been tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians… babies and elderly killed by Israel over the last couple decades like I said.  All verified by international observers.

 

The full PR machine of a deeply racist Israeli regime is spreading propaganda to justify murdering thousands of innocents and starving millions more.  I take my evidence of war crimes from independent international bodies… not the people committing war crimes.

 

This is a case of both sides being truly fucking evil.  That isn’t what aboutism or false equivalency.  It is factual and based on years of evidence.

 

If it weren’t for the US, a peacemaking force should have been deployed there decades ago and all international aid to Israel cut off and sanctions put into place while internationally recognized borders were enforced.

 

No one loves this most recent attack more than the current far right Israeli government.  They have been losing popularity and their leader has been charged with bribery, fraud, and corruption.  To distract their own populace, they need an enemy.  They have been passing more and more draconian laws against Arabs and pushing more and more settlements onto illegally occupied territory to try to provoke a response.  Domestically they need and love the conflict to keep flaring up.

[Playoff Beered]

At Harvard, a Battle Over What Should Be Said About the Hamas Attacks

After a student group blamed Israel for the violence, Lawrence Summers, a former university president, condemned the leadership for not speaking up.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/us/harvard-israel-gaza-hamas-reaction.html

 

 

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Within a few days of the George Floyd killing and Russia’s war against Ukraine, Harvard and other universities issued statements, claiming solidarity with the victims. Immediately after the Hamas attacks in Israel — in which assailants killed women and children — Harvard was quiet even as criticism mounted over an open letter from a student coalition. 

The letter, from Harvard Palestine Solidarity Groups,  said it held “the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.”

The backlash to that letter turned Harvard’s silence into a roar.

On Monday, Lawrence H. Summers, the former Treasury secretary and former Harvard president, condemned the university’s leadership, for not denouncing the pro-Palestinian letter.

“In nearly 50 years of @Harvard affiliation, I have never been as disillusioned and alienated as I am today,” he wrote on X, formerly Twitter. Harvard’s silence, coupled with the student coalition letter, he said, “has allowed Harvard to appear at best neutral towards acts of terror against the Jewish state of Israel.”

 

On Monday night, and again with more force on Tuesday, Harvard spoke. Its president, Claudine Gay, issued two statements, ultimately condemning “the terrorist atrocities perpetrated by Hamas” as “abhorrent.” A spokesman said Dr. Gay was not available for comment.

The debate over Israel and the fate of Palestinians has been one of the most divisive on campus for decades, and has scorched university officials who have tried to moderate or mollify different groups.

But Dr. Summers’s pointed criticism raised questions about the obligation of universities to weigh in on difficult political matters.

A famous 1967 declaration by the University of Chicago called for institutions to remain neutral on political and social matters, saying a university “is the home and sponsor of critics; it is not itself the critic.” But students over the years have frequently and successfully pressed their administrations to take positions on matters like police brutality, global warming and war.

 

Dr. Summers said in an interview that he could understand the case for university neutrality in political disputes, but that Harvard had forfeited that prerogative by speaking out on many other issues.

Claudine Gay, the president of Harvard University.Credit...Steven Senne/Associated Press

 

“When you fly the Ukrainian flag over Harvard yard, when you issue clear, vivid and strong statements in response to the George Floyd killing,” he said, “you have decided not to pursue a policy of neutrality.”

 

 

But the controversy at Harvard is “a moment to think about the virtues of neutrality,” said Tom Ginsburg, faculty director of the newly created Forum for Free Inquiry and Expression at the University of Chicago.

Dr. Ginsburg said he looked at 17 major universities and found that all but two released a statement about Ukraine. (The University of Chicago did not.)

 

“Not one had a statement about the Ethiopia conflict, which started a year before,” he said, referring to a civil war that left thousands dead and displaced more than two million people.

 

Avoiding statements allows the university to channel its energy into “more important things,” Dr. Ginsburg said. “But that’s not the trend. Schools seem to be speaking out. And that’s why they find themselves in political trouble.”

The Harvard student letter said, “For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison,” and concluded that as the war unfolded, “the apartheid regime is the only one to blame.” It was signed by groups including Amnesty International at Harvard, the Harvard Kennedy School Palestine Caucus and the Harvard Divinity School Muslim Association.

Several student groups that signed the solidarity statement did not respond to messages. By Tuesday afternoon, organizers concealed the coalition’s groups, citing safety.

In her response on Tuesday, Dr. Gay said that “while our students have the right to speak for themselves, no student group — not even 30 student groups — speaks for Harvard University or its leadership.”

That letter followed a more tepid letter on Monday, signed by Dr. Gay and 17 other deans and administrators, saying they were “heartbroken by the death and destruction,” expressing condolences to members of the Harvard community who had lost loved ones, and calling for “an environment of dialogue and empathy.”

 

While Harvard faced heavy criticism from politicians, academics and Jewish groups, other universities braced for protest.

On Monday night, there was a vigil organized by pro-Israel students at the University of Florida. On Tuesday, at California State University, Long Beach, a student group held a “Protest for Palestine.”

And Bears for Palestine, at the University of California, Berkeley, has organized a campus vigil for Friday to “mourn the murder of our martyrs in Palestine.”

With a number of like-minded statements coming from pro-Palestinian student groups, a number of university presidents issued their own responses that seemed to place the blame for the conflict squarely on Hamas.

On Saturday, Ron Liebowitz, president of Brandeis University, issued a statement condemning “terrorism such as we have seen today perpetrated against innocent civilians.”

A statement on Tuesday from New York University condemned the “indiscriminate killing of civilian non-combatants” as “reprehensible,” and acknowledged that the violence “will likely intensify the feelings of those on our campus who hold strong views on the conflict.”

 

 

 

 

[Playoff Beered]

17 minutes ago, Taxi said:

So Iran's role was limited to just giving Hamas all the money and weapons required to pull this off?

 

That is what the early intel suggests, according to the article. When more information becomes available that intel might change. 

[Taxi]

8 minutes ago, Provost said:

Well you are just 100% factually wrong.  None of what you are saying is true.  The UN disagrees with your made up position.

 

The elected leaders of Israel literally purposefully march through Arab neighbourhoods with tens of thousands of people yelling racist chants like “Death to Arabs”. “Burn them out”… while attacking and beating any Arab they find and having their police beat and jail anyone who dared to protest against it.  Then they wail and moan, then murder and jail a bunch of people when a Palestinian extremist says the same thing.  They pass more and more laws to take away the rights of Arabs.  Their elected officials and citizenry continually refer to Palestinians as sub-humans and animals even before this latest attack.

 

Yes there have been tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians… babies and elderly killed by Israel over the last couple decades like I said.  All verified by international observers.

 

The full PR machine of a deeply racist Israeli regime is spreading propaganda to justify murdering thousands of innocents and starving millions more.  I take my evidence of war crimes from independent international bodies… not the people committing war crimes.

 

This is a case of both sides being truly fucking evil.  That isn’t what aboutism or false equivalency.  It is factual and based on years of evidence.

 

If it weren’t for the US, a peacemaking force should have been deployed there decades ago and all international aid to Israel cut off and sanctions put into place while internationally recognized borders were enforced.

 

No one loves this most recent attack more than the current far right Israeli government.  They have been losing popularity and their leader has been charged with bribery, fraud, and corruption.  To distract their own populace, they need an enemy.  They have been passing more and more draconian laws against Arabs and pushing more and more settlements onto illegally occupied territory to try to provoke a response.  Domestically they need and love the conflict to keep flaring up.

 

You don't think the UN has an anti-Israeli slant? Russia and Syria, until recently were on the UN Human Rights Commission. Turning to the UN as an authority on the matter is absurd.

 

And no, 10s of thousands of Palestinian civilians have not died in the last twenty years. Even if you go by the numbers that the Palestinians are supplying you're looking at much closer to 5000:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war

 

And strangely enough, most of those casualties happen to be fighting age males, with very few women amongst them. Meanwhile we've seen over 1000 Israeli civilian casualties just this week, bringing the number of Israeli civilian casualties over 2000 over the last two decades, and these casualties are almost 50% women and people of all ages.

 

If you look at actual facts, the civilian casualties between the two sides are comparable, and Israel is not using human shields and actually protecting their civilians. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Taxi

[Playoff Beered]

22 minutes ago, Provost said:

Yes there have been tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians… babies and elderly killed by Israel over the last couple decades like I said.  All verified by international observers.

 Wiki is not the end all for reliable info but this page says your numbers are exaggerated . Do you have any other sources to back that up.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war

Edited October 11, 2023 by Playoff Beered

[Gnarcore]

10 hours ago, RomanPer said:

 

Are you sure she would be interested in you? Israeli girls are feisty. After all, most of them go through the military service, you know  

Well mostly they've been North American Jewish girls. But on that Columbian trip I did get along well with one. Quite well  

[Darius]

45 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

 

 

At this point anything is possible. A question to ask is where will Turkey come down on this situation? 

 

You bring up interesting points.

 

Erdogan's government has basically collapsed the Lira and fueled one of the world's worst inflation rates. He will do what he needs to do to detract the domestic focus from this fact.

 

IMHO Erdogan plays on both sides of the fence.  As a NATO member he purchased Russian S-400 missile systems which basically got him kicked out of the F-35 program and sort of put him Washington's dog house.  At the same time he leverages on his NATO membership to appease his domestic audience - opposing Swedish membership to NATO because of hate crimes and they supposedly harbors terrorist groups - an amusing conjecture when one considers that Turkey is a haven for Hamas leaders and is one of the state sponsors of Hamas:

 

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/09/15/israel-intercepts-rocket-making-material-en-route-to-gaza-from-turkey/

 

In the end I'm not sure if either side can trust him.

[Provost]

1 hour ago, Playoff Beered said:

 Wiki is not the end all for reliable info but this page says your numbers are exaggerated . Do you have any other sources to back that up.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war

This particular source is just the numbers since 2008 and excludes the current numbers.  You can go look and find other versions.  The wiki link you included is pretty random and thin and even notes it does not include “unnecessary deaths”.  In a hot topic like this, wiki entries that can be edited by random individuals is less than useless.

 

It notes that it excludes any deaths on the Palestinian side that weren’t verified by at least two independent sources (but includes unverified Israeli deaths that have been reported in media).  It recognizes that it undercounts due to the stringent verification.  It also excludes the deaths that result from lack of access to medicine like now when hospitals have been bombed and electricity, water, and medicine has been blockaded.  Those are indirect deaths.

 

Note the numbers of women and children is significant.

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

 

I am coming from a place where I was in some of the worst conflicts in recent history as a soldier from

the 80’s-2000’s.  I have a pretty good sense on how awful both sides of these things are, and how different things look on the ground compared with how our media has to pick a good guy and a bad guy to make it simple and easy for the public to understand. 
 

I suspect that if we asked everyone in this conversation who has ever had to pile up bodies of kids macheted to death just to clear a road after ethnic cleansing,  and knows what that looks and smells like.  I am probably the only one that has to raise their hand. You folks have the privilege to be able to intellectualize this through whatever filters and biases you have.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Provost

[Boudrias]

3 minutes ago, Darius said:

 

You bring up interesting points.

 

Erdogan's government has basically collapsed the Lira and fueled one of the world's worst inflation rates. He will do what he needs to do to detract the domestic focus from this fact.

 

IMHO Erdogan plays on both sides of the fence.  As a NATO member he purchased Russian S-400 missile systems which basically got him kicked out of the F-35 program and sort of put him Washington's dog house.  At the same time he leverages on his NATO membership to appease his domestic audience - opposing Swedish membership to NATO because of hate crimes and they supposedly harbors terrorist groups - an amusing conjecture when one considers that Turkey is a haven for Hamas leaders and is one of the state sponsors of Hamas:

 

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/09/15/israel-intercepts-rocket-making-material-en-route-to-gaza-from-turkey/

 

In the end I'm not sure if either side can trust him.

Interesting. Turkey and Saudi Arabia vey for leadership of the Sunni Arab world. Erdogan probably feels threatened as does Iran if the Saudis can broker a deal with Israel. Geopolitics rule the world. Israel occupies very strategic real estate. Nations have fought over it for centuries. A deal with the Israelis gives the Saudis a land bridge to the Med. To some extent that limits Turkey's Med advantage. The Saudi future lies with Europe and the USA. Russia is a competitor and all the Chinese want is their oil. Europe and the USA offer investment that can yield diversification away from oil and access to tech. The Arab world are not fools they can see how Israeli tech development is transforming their country and giving them a significant economic edge.

[canuckster19]

58 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

At Harvard, a Battle Over What Should Be Said About the Hamas Attacks

After a student group blamed Israel for the violence, Lawrence Summers, a former university president, condemned the leadership for not speaking up.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/us/harvard-israel-gaza-hamas-reaction.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again a bunch of half-wit legacy chucklef---s can't stand for what they say. LOL, no surprise there.

[Playoff Beered]

This next few weeks are going to be really ugly

 

Report: Hamas calls for global Jihad, invasion of Israel, attack Jews worldwide on Oct. 13

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/?ref=upstract.com

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Taxi said:

 

So Iran's role was limited to just giving Hamas all the money and weapons required to pull this off?

Reports are coming out that the Israelis knew this was coming.

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, Canuck You said:

What an inhumane world we live in, I don't understand how someone has it in them to kill another person especially children and beheading them on top..You can treat a dog like shit and they will still have your back.

Dogs are much better than humans.

[Sabrefan1]

4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Reports are coming out that the Israelis knew this was coming.

 

There are conflicting reports that I've read.  One guy who had/has a government job who said that there was no way this was not seen coming.  Other reports saying that Israeli leadership was surprised by it.

 

Who knows...

[Bob Long]

48 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

This next few weeks are going to be really ugly

 

Report: Hamas calls for global Jihad, invasion of Israel, attack Jews worldwide on Oct. 13

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/?ref=upstract.com

 

Putin should be very proud of himself, his efforts to destabilize things are really starting to pay off. 

[Elias Pettersson]

46 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

This next few weeks are going to be really ugly

 

Report: Hamas calls for global Jihad, invasion of Israel, attack Jews worldwide on Oct. 13

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/report-hamas-calls-for-global-jihad-invasion-of-israel-attack-jews-worldwide-on-oct-13/?ref=upstract.com

We all knew this was coming. This is their Jihad. Their sole objective is to eliminate all the Jews from the earth and cause as much damage as possible. Typical terrorists who hide behind their own people and use them as human shields. They don’t even wear uniforms because they like to strike from behind when nobody is watching. Just like the bully in school. Only way to deal with these scum is to eradicate them from the earth. 

[Ryan Strome]

5 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

There are conflicting reports that I've read.  One guy who had/has a government job who said that there was no way this was not seen coming.  Other reports saying that Israeli leadership was surprised by it.

 

Who knows...

I know this looks like 9/11 all over again. Who is this US representative that is saying it? Michael McCall or something