Hamas attacking Israel

[Super19]

4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

@Sharpshooter does this qualify as trolling?

Well, it's hypocritical for some in this thread to call me an Oct 7 denier. Also, it's an attack against me when some people call me a "denier" and then proceed to call me an antisemite and/or terrorist. Do I deny Oct 7 happened? No. Do I deny the falsified claims, and call out propaganda level reporting for being unacceptable? Yes.

[Ilunga]

11 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

It could easily be argued that some extremist activities are terroristic.

 

The US has also started applying some settlers with sanctions.  It does not excuse anyone else from terrorist activities.  Two wrongs don't make a right?  

 

Itamar Ben-Gvir, a senior member of the Isreali government has been convicted of supporting a terrorist organisation.

Also incitement to racism, destroying property.

Nothing to argue about there, that is a fact.

 

The article detailed those sanctions.

The point of that article was more could be done.

It also provided rational, logical reasons why more should be done.  

 

You are right, two wrongs don't make a right, however as I continually point out, the " settler wrong " has been going on for nearly 50 years.

 

Don't you believe that this contributes to the " Palestinian wrong " of terrorism and violent resistance ?

 

The endless circle I keep talking about.

[Super19]

Just now, Ilunga said:

 

Itamar Ben-Gvir, a senior member of the Isreali government has been convicted of supporting a terrorist organisation.

Also incitement to racism, destroying property.

Nothing to argue about there, that is a fact.

 

The article detailed those sanctions.

The point of that article was more could be done.

It also provided rational, logical reasons why more should be done.  

 

You are right, two wrongs don't make a right, however as I continually point out, the " settler wrong " has been going on for nearly 50 years.

 

Don't you believe that this contributes to the " Palestinian wrong " of terrorism and violent resistance ?

 

The endless circle I keep talking about.

It's Israeli aggression that comes first, and the Palestinian response that comes after. 

 

Here's some irony.

 

This "war", "started" on Oct 7. Everything that happened before, apparently doesn't matter.

 

Unless it comes to the Zionist in America, who claims they have the birthright to that land because of things from HOW many years ago? Here's the kicker, the Palestinians living in that land rn have no right to it. The same people who complain about religion, allow this twisted form of Zionism to enable Israeli aggression, occupation, oppression, apartheid, and (at least according to people knowledgeable on the subject) what is amounting to genocide. But since Gazans had a high birth rate, it doesn't mean that what's going on in Gaza right now is a genocide! It's just mass slaughter at worstttt, but the IDF killing them aren't to blameee. 

 

It IS a brutal endless circle. Israeli aggression meets Palestinian resistance. How can Palestenians be expected to co-exist with a Zionist force that has openly stated they are proud to deny them Palestines freedom, and will NEVER give them that freedom - WHILST this force occupies and oppresses and right now has the green light to KILL and STARVE and DISPLACE. 

 

This narrative Zionists and their sympathizers are holding onto is backwards. Imagine if Jews were in the position that Gazans are in right now, and people are supporting the state responsible for the oppression, occupation, apartheid and 30k+ killed (80% women and children) - would the people defending the Jews in this hypothetical roles reversed Gaza be called antisemitic? NO. Palestinians have become DEHUMANIZED. 

[Super19]

 

[Canuck Surfer]

We had a 'genius' & cunning plan said the Houthis!  Lets sink a ship full of Ammonium Nitrate; 41,000 pounds of acidic fertilizer. 

 

The pending algae blooms could clog Red Sea fishing for a year, cause untold lasting ecosystem damage.  Never mind that Yemen has several million people on the verge of, already dying of starvation? The fertilizer itself a dead loss when it could have impacted grain production capable of feeding a small country, like, say, Gaza, if it were in need of food?  Not mentioning the inflation closing the Red Sea was already causing the cost globally of transporting & producing food. 

 

Genius! Absolute Genius?

 

 

 Reuters report on sunken fertilizer ship in Red Sea

Spoiler

ADEN, Yemen, March 2 (Reuters) - The UK-owned Rubymar, attacked by Houthi militants last month, has sunk in the Red Sea, Yemen's internationally recognised government said on Saturday, warning of a "environmental catastrophe" from the ship's cargo of fertilizer.

If confirmed, it would be the first vessel lost since the Houthis began targeting commercial shipping in November, forcing shipping firms to divert vessels on to the longer, more expensive route around southern Africa.

 

The militants say they are acting in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza.

On Monday, a Yemeni government team visited the Rubymar, a Belize-flagged cargo ship, and said it was partially submerged. A government statement on Saturday said the ship had sunk in the southern Red Sea on Friday night.

The United States Navy's Fifth Fleet did not immediately respond to a request to confirm the sinking.

The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) agency on Saturday reported a ship sinking, but did not identify it.

 

The U.S. military previously said the attack had significantly damaged the freighter and caused an 18-mile (29-km) oil slick. The ship was carrying more than 41,000 tons of fertilizer when it came under attack, the U.S. military has said.

Ahmed Awad bin Mubarak, foreign minister in Yemen's Aden-based government, which is backed by Saudi Arabia, said in a post on X: "The sinking of the Rubymar is an environmental catastrophe that Yemen and the region have never experienced before.

 

"It is a new tragedy for our country and our people. Every day we pay the price for the adventures of the Houthi militia ..."

The internationally recognised government is based in Aden, while the Houthis have gained control of the north and other large centres since a war that began in 2014.

MARINE LIFE THREATENED

 

 

[1/2]A satellite image shows the Rubymar before it sank in the Red Sea, March 1, 2024. Maxar Technologies via REUTERS Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab

The release of some 41,000 tons of fertilizer into the waters of the Red Sea poses a serious threat to marine life, said Ali Al-Sawalmih, director of the Marine Science Station at the University of Jordan.

 

The overload of nutrients can stimulate excessive growth of algae, using up so much oxygen that regular marine life cannot survive, said Al-Sawalmih, describing a process called eutrophication.

"An urgent plan should be adopted by countries of the Red Sea to establish monitoring agenda of the polluted areas in the Red Sea as well as adopt a cleanup strategy," he said.

The overall impact depends on how ocean currents deplete the fertilizer and how it is released from the stricken vessel, said Xingchen Tony Wang, assistant professor at the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Boston College.

The ecosystem of the southern Red Sea features pristine coral reefs, coastal mangroves and diverse marine life.

"If the ship is salvaged before significant leakage occurs, it may be possible to prevent a major ecological disaster," he said.

Last year, the area avoided a potential environmental disaster when the United Nations removed more than 1 million barrels of oil from a decaying supertanker moored off the Yemen coast. That type of operation may be more difficult in the current circumstances.

The Houthi attacks have stoked fears that the Israel-Hamas war could spread, destabilising the wider Middle East.

The United States and Britain began striking Houthi targets in Yemen in January in retaliation for the attacks on shipping in the Red Sea, Bab al-Mandab Strait and Gulf of Aden.

In a separate report, UKMTO agency said it had received a report of a ship being attacked 15 nautical miles west of Yemen's port of Mokha.

"The crew took the vessel to anchor and were evacuated by military authorities," the UKMTO said in an advisory note.

Reporting by Mohammad Ghobari in Aden and Andrew Mills in Doha; Writing by Enas Alashray and Andrew Mills; Editing by Jason Neely and Alison Williams

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[Canuck Surfer]

10 hours ago, Ilunga said:

the " settler wrong " has been going on for nearly 50 years.

 

Its not a one sided conflict.  

 

People complaining about Israel on behalf of the Palestinian people should be allowed to grieve Israeli crimes & their impact.  Peace will happen when they also take responsibility for Peace. I still see this as both the moral & practical solution. 

 

Cuba is victimized? Imagine a rebel group forming. Them firing missiles from rooftops to Key West 150KM's away.  Groups of Cuban teens in the US travelling down simultaneously. Slaughtering and raping retired couples, their teenage grandchildren. Taking infant children, German tourists, and Philippine housekeepers, along with whole civilian families hostage. Burning them alive in their boats and homes, keeping the prized females 12 to 40 years old for the pleasures of their senior war leaders. Promise to do it again & again & again. To protest their victimization.

 

Do you think that would draw a military response from the US? Would that allow them to be given a free pass, to then be allowed to form their own govt & be left to run the place as they see fit? Am I being dramatic in this fictional story?  Of course. Cubans should of course have full autonomy to run their own country. In theory, but has there been any reason to not let them?  

 

Would it be justified to start to sink fertilizer and oil ships coming out of the Gulf in protest... 

[Super19]

32 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

We had a 'genius' & cunning plan said the Houthis!  Lets sink a ship full of Ammonium Nitrate; 41,000 pounds of acidic fertilizer. 

 

The pending algae blooms could clog Red Sea fishing for a year, cause untold lasting ecosystem damage.  Never mind that Yemen has several million people on the verge of, already dying of starvation? The fertilizer itself a dead loss when it could have impacted grain production capable of feeding a small country, like, say, Gaza, if it were in need of food?  Not mentioning the inflation closing the Red Sea was already causing the cost globally of transporting & producing food. 

 

Genius! Absolute Genius?

 

 

 Reuters report on sunken fertilizer ship in Red Sea

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ADEN, Yemen, March 2 (Reuters) - The UK-owned Rubymar, attacked by Houthi militants last month, has sunk in the Red Sea, Yemen's internationally recognised government said on Saturday, warning of a "environmental catastrophe" from the ship's cargo of fertilizer.

If confirmed, it would be the first vessel lost since the Houthis began targeting commercial shipping in November, forcing shipping firms to divert vessels on to the longer, more expensive route around southern Africa.

 

The militants say they are acting in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza.

On Monday, a Yemeni government team visited the Rubymar, a Belize-flagged cargo ship, and said it was partially submerged. A government statement on Saturday said the ship had sunk in the southern Red Sea on Friday night.

The United States Navy's Fifth Fleet did not immediately respond to a request to confirm the sinking.

The United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) agency on Saturday reported a ship sinking, but did not identify it.

 

The U.S. military previously said the attack had significantly damaged the freighter and caused an 18-mile (29-km) oil slick. The ship was carrying more than 41,000 tons of fertilizer when it came under attack, the U.S. military has said.

Ahmed Awad bin Mubarak, foreign minister in Yemen's Aden-based government, which is backed by Saudi Arabia, said in a post on X: "The sinking of the Rubymar is an environmental catastrophe that Yemen and the region have never experienced before.

 

"It is a new tragedy for our country and our people. Every day we pay the price for the adventures of the Houthi militia ..."

The internationally recognised government is based in Aden, while the Houthis have gained control of the north and other large centres since a war that began in 2014.

MARINE LIFE THREATENED

 

 

 

[1/2]A satellite image shows the Rubymar before it sank in the Red Sea, March 1, 2024. Maxar Technologies via REUTERS Purchase Licensing Rights, opens new tab

 

The release of some 41,000 tons of fertilizer into the waters of the Red Sea poses a serious threat to marine life, said Ali Al-Sawalmih, director of the Marine Science Station at the University of Jordan.

 

The overload of nutrients can stimulate excessive growth of algae, using up so much oxygen that regular marine life cannot survive, said Al-Sawalmih, describing a process called eutrophication.

"An urgent plan should be adopted by countries of the Red Sea to establish monitoring agenda of the polluted areas in the Red Sea as well as adopt a cleanup strategy," he said.

The overall impact depends on how ocean currents deplete the fertilizer and how it is released from the stricken vessel, said Xingchen Tony Wang, assistant professor at the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Boston College.

The ecosystem of the southern Red Sea features pristine coral reefs, coastal mangroves and diverse marine life.

"If the ship is salvaged before significant leakage occurs, it may be possible to prevent a major ecological disaster," he said.

Last year, the area avoided a potential environmental disaster when the United Nations removed more than 1 million barrels of oil from a decaying supertanker moored off the Yemen coast. That type of operation may be more difficult in the current circumstances.

The Houthi attacks have stoked fears that the Israel-Hamas war could spread, destabilising the wider Middle East.

The United States and Britain began striking Houthi targets in Yemen in January in retaliation for the attacks on shipping in the Red Sea, Bab al-Mandab Strait and Gulf of Aden.

In a separate report, UKMTO agency said it had received a report of a ship being attacked 15 nautical miles west of Yemen's port of Mokha.

"The crew took the vessel to anchor and were evacuated by military authorities," the UKMTO said in an advisory note.

Reporting by Mohammad Ghobari in Aden and Andrew Mills in Doha; Writing by Enas Alashray and Andrew Mills; Editing by Jason Neely and Alison Williams

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles., opens new tab

 

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First of all, that aid wasn't getting to Gaza.

 

Secondly, the Houthis stop once a ceasefire happens. You care more about the water than you do for the children and mothers of Gaza. You care more about rising inflation and trade interruptions than people being killed.

[Super19]

 

[Ilunga]

3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Its not a one sided conflict.  

 

People complaining about Israel on behalf of the Palestinian people should be allowed to grieve Israeli crimes & their impact.  Peace will happen when they also take responsibility for Peace. I still see this as both the moral & practical solution. 

 

Cuba is victimized? Imagine a rebel group forming. Them firing missiles from rooftops to Key West 150KM's away.  Groups of Cuban teens in the US travelling down simultaneously. Slaughtering and raping retired couples, their teenage grandchildren. Taking infant children, German tourists, and Philippine housekeepers, along with whole civilian families hostage. Burning them alive in their boats and homes, keeping the prized females 12 to 40 years old for the pleasures of their senior war leaders. Promise to do it again & again & again. To protest their victimization.

 

Do you think that would draw a military response from the US? Would that allow them to be given a free pass, to then be allowed to form their own govt & be left to run the place as they see fit? Am I being dramatic in this fictional story?  Of course. Cubans should of course have full autonomy to run their own country. In theory, but has there been any reason to not let them?  

 

Would it be justified to start to sink fertilizer and oil ships coming out of the Gulf in protest... 

 

Mate, we are going over the same old ground. 

 

I have " complained " many times about Palestinian wrongs, condemning October 7, and all the previous violence they have inflicted upon the Israeli people.

 

Don't know how many the times I have to say this, I condemn violence full stop !

Wherever it happens in the world. 

 

You should apply what you are saying to many of the Isreali supporters in this thread.

Apart from you I haven't noticed anyone condemning the violence the Isrealis have inflicted on the Palestinian people. 

They find reasons to justify it.

 

70 percent of the people who have been killed in Gaza are women and children. 

 

The comments I have seen are at best, that's sad but it's Hamas' fault.

Like WTF ? 

 

Finding reasons to justify the killing of women and children ? 

 

Stating that the ratio of the killing of civilians to combatants is low ?

 

Here are some facts 

 

Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st century conflict - Oxfam

 

https://media.oxfam.org.au/2024/01/daily-death-rate-in-gaza-higher-than-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam/

 

" Israels military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day, which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major of recent years, Oxfam said today " 

 

" Using publicly available data, Oxfam calculated that number of average deaths per day for Gaza is than is significantly higher that any recent major armed conflict including Syria (96.5 deaths per day), Sudan (51.6), Iraq (50.8), Ukraine (43.9), Afghanistan (23.8) and Yemen (15.8) 

 

Like the difference in those figures is staggering.

 

And there are estimates of close to 3000 more buried under rubble including 1500 missing children.

 

Now I know this article is nearly two months old and the rate of civilians being killed has gone down, there is never any justification for killing innocent women and children.

Lamenting that fact then going on to blame Hamas is just using them as justification for killing innocent women and children ? 

 

This article gives more of a current breakdown, dated a few days ago. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864

 

As you can see the Israeli themselves give different figures for Hamas' fighters killed. 

 

In relation to the civilian deaths per day

 

 

" The fatality data for the current conflict form the Gaza health ministry shows a sharp increase in the proportion of women and children among the dead compared to previous wars " 

 

 

" The pace of killing it appears on the face of it, to have slowed down, from about 330 deaths a day in the first month in the first month of the conflict to approximately 110 deaths a day over the past month. "

 

Why do so many of my fellow human beings always come up with reasons to justify the killing of innocent people ?

 

 

[Boudrias]

Simple, Hamas surrenders and it ends. 

[Super19]

2 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Simple, Hamas surrenders and it ends. 

Simple, Israel stops commiting crimes and Hamas stops. 

[Spur1]

14 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Simple, Israel stops commiting crimes and Hamas stops. 

They haven’t done that yet. Hamas broke the cease fire. 

[Super19]

15 minutes ago, Spur1 said:

They haven’t done that yet. Hamas broke the cease fire. 

No - the Zionist apartheid State of Israel has constantly been committing crimes.

 

 

 

[Super19]

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Simple, Hamas surrenders and it ends. 

Question for you and the many others who have said the same, or agree with you.

 

How many more children will the IDF kill until you see the IDF as the monsters?

"IDF what do you say? How many kids have you killed today?!"

[Ilunga]

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Simple, Hamas surrenders and it ends. 

 

Comments like this remind of an interview with an American pilot in the doco, Hearts and Minds. 

 

This pilot used to bomb Vietnamese Villages with Napalm as part of Operation Rolling Thunder.

 

To quote him from an article 

 

" He used to be proud of his skill as as a pilot, but now he is wracked with guilt. As he sits on the front porch of his home, he chokes up as he tries to imagine how he would feel if someone dropped Napalm on his children. "

 

No matter what had happened, or was happening, you could never force me to kill children, let alone volunteer to do it. 

 

Mass murder, October 7, 1200 people - does not justify mass murder, last 4 months in Gaza over 20,000 people. 

 

The ends do not justify the means, when the means are so horrific.

 

[Canuck Surfer]

15 hours ago, Super19 said:

First of all, that aid wasn't getting to Gaza.

 

First of all it was a fertilizer ship. Fertilizer helps produce food. There is already a bigger global fertilizer shortage than food itself; a contributing factor to even producing food as required. Quit thinking Gaza is the only Emergency in the world.  Fisherman already have to do payola to bring their haul to either side of the Red Sea. Now, no fish. Collateral damage. There have been 300,000 to 400,000 dead in Yemen, more by starvation than by actual conflict. Almost 10 times the death, as much as it does not suit your selfish inflection, narrative; who cares if it wasn't heading to Gaza? What a selfish, naive thing to say, sorry have to express that opinion.  

 

Similar numbers, another 2 to 3 million in each of Sudan and Ethiopia respectively including starvation.  Another 100 times multiples of dead in Gaza. 

 

Mostly Muslim in each of these areas if you are one as it seems? I guarantee you that fertilizer ship impacts almost as many as the Gazan war. As I said; genius! 

 

All Houthis care about is fulfilling commands from Tehran point A. Which gets them weapons for their own objective; full control to tax the Bab al-Mandab straight. Which is what made the former dictator a billionaire. They don't care if a million plus starve. It does not get them paid.  

 

Aid has not been getting to Gaza for 20 years.  Aid now, in the market district of Khan Yunis is repurposed Hamas gangsters toting machine guns. It has always been that way; they decide who gets, why & expect compliance or you starve.  But what is needed by Hamas themselves is taken first and spirited down tunnels.  

 

 

Maybe consider not cheering on events like Oct 7, or terrorists sinking ships.  You are supporting ongoing oppression, death on a scale which seems past comprehension; naive if you think otherwise. If you care for Palestinians? Or Yemeni, or Sudanese.  Look at forms of rule not including militant control.

 

Edited March 3 by Canuck Surfer

[Canuck Surfer]

2 hours ago, Super19 said:

 

How many more children will the IDF kill until you see the IDF as the monsters?

 

How many of those children dies because Hamas started the war?

[Alflives]

3 hours ago, Super19 said:

Question for you and the many others who have said the same, or agree with you.

 

How many more children will the IDF kill until you see the IDF as the monsters?

"IDF what do you say? How many kids have you killed today?!"

The war ends when Hamas either surrenders or they’re eliminated (to a point where Israel believes they can’t start more wars) by the IDF. 

[Bob Long]

20 hours ago, Super19 said:

First of all, that aid wasn't getting to Gaza.

 

Secondly, the Houthis stop once a ceasefire happens. You care more about the water than you do for the children and mothers of Gaza. You care more about rising inflation and trade interruptions than people being killed.

 

Terrorism and extortion are not the way forward.

[Super19]

10 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

First of all it was a fertilizer ship. Fertilizer helps produce food. There is already a bigger global fertilizer shortage than food itself; a contributing factor to even producing food as required. Quit thinking Gaza is the only Emergency in the world.  Fisherman already have to do payola to bring their haul to either side of the Red Sea. Now, no fish. Collateral damage. There have been 300,000 to 400,000 dead in Yemen, more by starvation than by actual conflict. Almost 10 times the death, as much as it does not suit your selfish inflection, narrative; who cares if it wasn't heading to Gaza? What a selfish, naive thing to say, sorry have to express that opinion.  

 

Similar numbers, another 2 to 3 million in each of Sudan and Ethiopia respectively including starvation.  Another 100 times multiples of dead in Gaza. 

 

Mostly Muslim in each of these areas if you are one as it seems? I guarantee you that fertilizer ship impacts almost as many as the Gazan war. As I said; genius! 

 

All Houthis care about is fulfilling commands from Tehran point A. Which gets them weapons for their own objective; full control to tax the Bab al-Mandab straight. Which is what made the former dictator a billionaire. They don't care if a million plus starve. It does not get them paid.  

 

Aid has not been getting to Gaza for 20 years.  Aid now, in the market district of Khan Yunis is repurposed Hamas gangsters toting machine guns. It has always been that way; they decide who gets, why & expect compliance or you starve.  But what is needed by Hamas themselves is taken first and spirited down tunnels.  

 

 

Maybe consider not cheering on events like Oct 7, or terrorists sinking ships.  You are supporting ongoing oppression, death on a scale which seems past comprehension; naive if you think otherwise. If you care for Palestinians? Or Yemeni, or Sudanese.  Look at forms of rule not including militant control.

 

You're missing the entire point that Israel is the problem because they are commiting enormous crimes. 

You deny the apartheid, the oppression, the occupation and the genocide. Which all goes AGAINST international law. And talking about international law, do you deny the right of resistance to occupation and etc?

[Gurn]

5 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

Terrorism and extortion are not the way forward.

Neither is killing 30,000 people, the vast majority which had nothing to do with the Jan attack.

[StrayDog]

15 minutes ago, Super19 said:

You're missing the entire point that Israel is the problem because they are commiting enormous crimes. 

You deny the apartheid, the oppression, the occupation and the genocide. Which all goes AGAINST international law. And talking about international law, do you deny the right of resistance to occupation and etc?

What also goes against international law is taking hostages and attacking international shipping lanes. But of course you know that....

[Bob Long]

10 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Neither is killing 30,000 people, the vast majority which had nothing to do with the Jan attack.

 

right, so what now then? just every side keep doing the same stuff? 

 

Everyone involved has some level of responsibility for the history to date, we can argue ad naseum how much. It doesn't matter. Until the people in Gaza pick better leaders, until the countries around Israel recognize their right to exist, and until Israel stops overreacting this will all just continue on long past our lifetimes. 

 

[Super19]

6 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

What also goes against international law is taking hostages and attacking international shipping lanes. But of course you know that....

Are you blind to the apartheid, occupation and oppression that Israel has been responsible for? 

 

All this violence and killing stops if Israel just has some decency and allows a Palestenian state. But Israel has no decency. And you have no shame when you justify Israels crimes that they've been commiting for decades, especially the crimes Israel is commiting right now.

 

 

Do you deny that if a people are occupied and living under apartheid, they have NO right to resistance? Or do you support and enable a decades long occupation and apartheid, and you expect the oppressed to just live like that.

[StrayDog]

2 minutes ago, Super19 said:

Are you blind to the apartheid, occupation and oppression that Israel has been responsible for? 

 

All this violence and killing stops if Israel just has some decency and allows a Palestenian state. But Israel has no decency. And you have no shame when you justify Israels crimes that they've been commiting for decades, especially the crimes Israel is commiting right now.

 

 

Do you deny that if a people are occupied and living under apartheid, they have NO right to resistance? Or do you support and enable a decades long occupation and apartheid, and you expect the oppressed to just live like that.

They have a right to resistance. What they don't have is a right to take and continue to hold hostages. If you're going to bring up international law, please recognize and admit other places it's being broken; that includes Hezbollah committing acts of piracy and firing on international ships that are not involved in this conflict in any way.