Optimist Prime Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, Taxi said: I don't know where that 200k number is coming from. Their leader was only boasting about 100k, and that was before things got bad in Lebanon. Plus that number was likely exaggerated and included "reservists", aka untrained and inexperienced guys they would force to fight. I doubt that Hezbollah has more than 40k troops, and even many of those are likely highly untrained. Their core group of trained fighters is likely in the 10-20k range. I think we largely agree on the main points, not worth arguing about the rest. Suffice to say that Defense News estimated the Lebanese army at 73k about five years ago and the IDF estimates Hezbollah having a higher headcount than the standing army in Lebanon. I think you are right about he highly trained core being a small percentage of that. As for the 200k, at various times in the last year Arab figureheads have fictitiously claimed up to 200k, which is where i get that number. It doesn't matter because I think that was an outrageous propaganda hyperinflation of the number, likely more than double. Have a good one. Moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 A question for the posters here who have been in that part of the world. I see no women in this video. Is that the norm? Are women not allowed out at night? This is a hezbollah stronghold. Maybe it's only an extremist thing. Any insight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Hezbollah was not yet a sperm to be jacked jack off & launched by Arafat in to the womb that is Lebanon. Lebanon at the time, 1967, was a thriving by Middle Eastern standards democracy. Who's constitution was based on equal rights for minorities and its three majority ethnic groups. Many Palestinians, considered to be militants under Arafat, were either slaughtered or expelled from Jordan in 1972. The consensus landing spot, and source of the birth of Hezbollah was the left over, or surviving militants that then took up residence as 'refugee's' in Lebanon. They are refugees everywhere in the ME, no one wants them. Where they slowly, but surely grew in to an independent force as Hezbollah, other factors colliding. Hezbollah is not Lebanon. Its actually disgusting that they have now grown large enough? So large that they outnumber the actual Lebanese Army. They have corruptly, and through infiltration become a major player in every sect of Lebanon & tip the balance of power. So powerful that Lebanon cannot dare stop their activities. Their militants, and message, now seeping through Lebanese society. The Muslim groups side with them anyway; when it comes to allegiance on conflicts with Israel. I am well acquainted with who and what Hezbollah is, and their relationship to Lebanon. They are a terrorist group/proxy of Iran that operates out of Lebanon. As I have stated, at this time Lebanon is basically a failed state. None of this changes the fact that the international community considers the Golan Heights to be illegally occupied by the Isrealis and this being an impediment to peace in the region. I am on the side of the victims of the attack. They are calling Netanyahu a murderer. Which he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 hours ago, JIAHN said: @Ilunga I have been thinking about Gaza and the Golan Heights for awhile......read alot of this thread......felt the passion....here is what I have come up with #1. I believe that Israel should not be there. That Israel should not colonize this area. #2. I believe that all non-Gaza entities should not have a presence there, at any time (Only residents) #3. I believe it is fair to think Israel can not trust the local residents to police the area #4. I believe that all anti-Israeli entities can not be trusted, and apparently do not care for the safety of local residents (Because of the perceived greater good) #5. I believe to move forward local residents must form a police force with strong ties to the Israeli's to muster "Trust" with the Israeli's And more importantly.......... #6. Until, the anger is put aside, and a real understanding of that a Israeli state is to be accepted and protected by Muslims, as well as foreign countries. Then I see no real possibility of Israel will stand down, in their protection of their homeland. (Not Gaza, not the Golan Heights) We see, in real time, how when Israel does not act with force, how vulnerable their state is. I think that Israel has the right to protect itself, which includes, controlling vulnerable area's. (Golan Heights, Lebanon, and Syria) Comment: I wonder why Israel has no real issues with Jordan? Why is there no attacks from Jordan? It is my belief that Jordanians have accepted Israel in some form, and albeit, maybe an uneasy acceptance, has been able to keep a lid on the local populace and militia's. I believe that Muslims must police themselves, as Jordan has. The alternative is what we have now, and it could get worse. And not that I support Israel in all that they have done, but if I was in a position of power, as Israel is, I would attempt to extinguish those threats. Israel's response today, is a message for tomorrow. Not perfect by any means, but it is clear. I do not condone the mass killings of civilians, but I do expect the civilians to police, themselves. Which includes weeding out dangers to their society. Conclusion: It is a Fkn mess, and both Israeli's and Muslims are at fault. Good summation Jan. Both sides carry blame. I have always stated this. It's a never ending circle of hatred, that is fueled by each round of violent conflict. I posted about a study by an American general whose specialises in anti-terrorism. He stated that for every civilian killed, that " creates " 10 terrorists. We saw in the aftermath of this attack one poster exhibiting this type of behaviour. And so the circle of hatred/vengeance continues. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 hours ago, Yoshiyoshi said: Its not changing the bar, its my poor communication skills trying to explain what i mean. 90% of my communication in life is me meowing at my cats so that doesnt leave me a lot of practice at explaining things. There is something here i want to say about this to try to better explain what i meant but i cant think of the words at the moment so im going to have to just let it lie for now You questioned me about whether I actually wanted peace. I seem to have to continually remind people that I am the only poster in this thread, who has posted articles and videos about Palestinians and Isrealis working together, and seperately for peace, and helping each other on a personal level. This article is about a family who have owned land in Golan Heights for centuries https://museudofuturo.org.br/english/database/golan-heights/ " My family has lived and owned land on the Golan Heights at the foot of Mt. Hermon for several centuries. However my family had to leave the area in 1925 because of the local political situation. Since that time our land has been managed by responsible individuals. This land has been annexed to Israel as a result of the war of 1967. The aim of this project is to create a cultural centre for all religions and ethnic groups of the area. During a recent visit I made to the region I spoke with some local authorities that expressed great interest in the project, and indicated they would gladly co-operate. They asked me, who is giving the land? what culture will be preserved? How will this advance to help peace? The families of Abou Moussa Girius and Hibrahim Afandy Abu Jamra, my grandparents are offering the land of the peace cultural project. " " I am a Brazilian with Arab and Jewish blood. I will always respect my heritage and I am proud of my ancestors history. I learned to love Arabs and Jews in Brazil. It's what's inside my heart and that's what I want to share in my lifetime. " " I'm a dreamer, I know, but I am not the only one. Shalom respectfully yours " These are the type of people you don't hear about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Breaking : 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Breaking : allah 'akbar! Cut off the head of the beast indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: allah 'akbar! Cut off the head of the beast indeed. I’m in favour of a Joint Task force visiting RuZ .. or someone inside and relative to RuZ SOF hiding a gps tag on Putins modes of transportation. just sayin , 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I’m in favour of a Joint Task force visiting RuZ .. or someone inside and relative to RuZ SOF hiding a gps tag on Putins modes of transportation. just sayin , An apple dicktatAIR tag, if you will... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I like the lion of Judah gif here, hehe. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: I like the lion of Judah hif here, hehe. What a great strike right in the middle of Tehran. Don't mess with Israel. Edited July 31 by bolt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Damn, should have hit that entire assembly: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Damn, should have hit that entire assembly: You can tell they are the death eaters, look! Professor Snape is at the meeting there behind his right shoulder! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 hours ago, SilentSam said: Breaking : Wowee That is a response! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 hours ago, Ilunga said: I am well acquainted with who and what Hezbollah is, and their relationship to Lebanon. They are a terrorist group/proxy of Iran that operates out of Lebanon. As I have stated, at this time Lebanon is basically a failed state. None of this changes the fact that the international community considers the Golan Heights to be illegally occupied by the Isrealis and this being an impediment to peace in the region. I am on the side of the victims of the attack. They are calling Netanyahu a murderer. Which he is. There was a video posted here. Many on line. The Druze were squarely blaming Hezbollah. Were just pissed Bibi used it as a photo op & media blitz. I am sure they would be more upheival if it became the impetus for all out war. Especially if fought in the Golan Heights. The Druze are not the only inhabitants. They were just the direct victims in this instant. I do agree Israel has / had no business annexing the Golan Heights. A security zone, considering what has gone on debatable in a much different way than the West Bank. Isreal has provided security to the area from the civil war in Syria the past 12 years that had ten times the death of what is occurring in Gaza. There are also people that side with being under Israeli control. None of this is the case in West Bank. Lebanon as a failed state = a cause / effect discussion. It seems obvious the infiltration of Palestinian militants in lebanon, that became Hezbollah. Changed the balance of power. Hezbollah are also the faction driving the economy underground & into a tailspin as that failed state. Not war, or even conflict with Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 hours ago, bolt said: What a great strike right in the middle of Tehran. Don't mess with Israel. Apparently a missile or projectile fired through the window of a residence from an airplane. I cannot imagine it being a fighter flown from Israel over Tehran. Guessing it means it was a non military plane & may have been something like a hand fired weapon. Guessing. Also estimating where that plane came from, and where it went is traceable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Al Jazeera's view on the assassination & 'legacy.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 This, and specifically Behnam Ben Taleblu. Is whom Israel says was responsible for the attack in the Golan Heights the day before yesterday; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 ABC news here in Australia reported the US was consulted about Taleblu being assassinated in Beirut. As an aside, he was the key military advisor to Hezbollah's leadership. More specifically its primary organizer of the supply chain for its weapons and support services, fuel, armaments. Not assassinating Haniyeh in Tehran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It was probably Trump? https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/iran-attempting-to-sabotage-trump-s-presidential-campaign-us-intelligence/ar-BB1qSeqt?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=dcbff1489a324f7d83631389f8da5ffa&ei=72 Iran attempting to sabotage Trump's presidential campaign: US intelligence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RomanPer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: There was a video posted here. Many on line. The Druze were squarely blaming Hezbollah. Were just pissed Bibi used it as a photo op & media blitz. I am sure they would be more upheival if it became the impetus for all out war. Especially if fought in the Golan Heights. The Druze are not the only inhabitants. They were just the direct victims in this instant. I do agree Israel has / had no business annexing the Golan Heights. A security zone, considering what has gone on debatable in a much different way than the West Bank. Isreal has provided security to the area from the civil war in Syria the past 12 years that had ten times the death of what is occurring in Gaza. There are also people that side with being under Israeli control. None of this is the case in West Bank. Lebanon as a failed state = a cause / effect discussion. It seems obvious the infiltration of Palestinian militants in lebanon, that became Hezbollah. Changed the balance of power. Hezbollah are also the faction driving the economy underground & into a tailspin as that failed state. Not war, or even conflict with Israel. Sorry, bud, replying just to the bolded portion of your statement. There are plenty of people in the West Bank who are absolutely prefer to be under Israeli control over corrupt Fatah or fanatic Hamas. I personally know such people. They just keep quiet in fear of being killed as "collaborators". 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, RomanPer said: Sorry, bud, replying just to the bolded portion of your statement. There are plenty of people in the West Bank who are absolutely prefer to be under Israeli control over corrupt Fatah or fanatic Hamas. I personally know such people. They just keep quiet in fear of being killed as "collaborators". Haven't we learned by now that there can't be any complexity when discussing this area? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Apparently a missile or projectile fired through the window of a residence from an airplane. I cannot imagine it being a fighter flown from Israel over Tehran. Guessing it means it was a non military plane & may have been something like a hand fired weapon. Guessing. Also estimating where that plane came from, and where it went is traceable? That is some aim. Harder to hear about civilian casualities in this conflict when they have such abilities. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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