Popular Post Gurn Posted August 17 Popular Post Share Posted August 17 13 minutes ago, Bob Long said: And just incase the usual suspect gets in a knot I'm only talking about the leaders. That usual suspect is the only reason I bother coming into this thread. He has an opinion, and backs it up with links. Keeps this thread from being a complete circle jerk. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 minute ago, Gurn said: That usual suspect is the only reason I bother coming into this thread. He has an opinion, and backs it up with links. Keeps this thread from being a complete circle jerk. To each his own. I like to hear from the people with actual lived experience in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 4 hours ago, Gurn said: The aqueducts- nope that was the Romans. the sanitation- nope that was the Romans the roads- goes without saying- wait that was the Romans as well Irrigation- oops romans again Sounds like from the movie, “The Life of Brian”. It’s all perspective. And right now the lens is blurry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Gurn said: That usual suspect is the only reason I bother coming into this thread. He has an opinion, and backs it up with links. Keeps this thread from being a complete circle jerk. It’s important to see multiple perspectives. Got to agree. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 This thread. In the words of the great Chuck D... ...a 'Battle for your mind, like Israel and Palestine' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Sad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: To each his own. I like to hear from the people with actual lived experience in the area. All two of them? Makes the rest of this kinda a waste of your time then, doesn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Sad! Hmm? The reporter quoted said they were recovering the dead body of his father. Apparently that was true in Dec 2023 There were other reports of a hit in this camp, but apologies for posting this version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 29 minutes ago, Gurn said: All two of them? Makes the rest of this kinda a waste of your time then, doesn't it? Nope. Hearing real experience is never a waste of time imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 6 hours ago, Gurn said: The aqueducts- nope that was the Romans. the sanitation- nope that was the Romans the roads- goes without saying- wait that was the Romans as well Irrigation- oops romans again Sorry, but I can’t take credit for any of it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 hours ago, Gurn said: Was a time when the arabic world was leading in so many ways. Libraries medicine astrology to name a couple. however, since then, it's been a rough go. -------------------------------------------------- I read a Louis Lamour novel " The Lonesome Gods' and one of the characters mentions that the people of old California had itñ too easy. Always warm, plenty of food, easy life made it hard to notice that slippage was occurring. The libraries of Alexandria and Constantinople held vast amounts of knowledge even by today's standards. If any person came up with a new idea, knowledge, to do with any subject, they were required to add a copy of what they had discovered, invented, theorised in the library of Constantinople. I watched a BBC series years ago, East to West The journey of Civilization. The turning point, when the west " passed " the east, was the invention of the printing press in the west. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 hours ago, Bob Long said: And just incase the usual suspect gets in a knot I'm only talking about the leaders. I love you Bobby. You don't really insult me. I don't hold malice in my heart for anyone, anywhere. I just don't like being called a liar and being insulted in other ways. Does anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 3 hours ago, Bob Long said: To each his own. I like to hear from the people with actual lived experience in the area. That's the thing Bob, many of the links I post contain information from people living in the area, experiencing the things we are discussing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, Ilunga said: That's the thing Bob, many of the links I post contain information from people living in the area, experiencing the things we are discussing. Sure. But you have no real experience there. Neither do I. I can't learn anything from you about life in the region. Roman otoh, yes he's one man with a specific path, I can learn from . I also find discussions with you frustrating because imo it always ends up in a competition of who cares more. Sorry that's my honest take on my experience talking to you. I don't mean to insult you, I just don't like engaging with you anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: Sure. But you have no real experience there. Neither do I. I can't learn anything from you about life in the region. Roman otoh, yes he's one man with a specific path, I can learn from . I also find discussions with you frustrating because imo it always ends up in a competition of who cares more. Sorry that's my honest take on my experience talking to you. I don't mean to insult you, I just don't like engaging with you anymore. I was serious when I said you don't insult me. I have never seen you insult anyone on this board. You won my heart when you posted about being a meals on wheels volunteer. Again I don't carry malice or anger in my heart. That would only reflect on my character. Anger hurts those the most who carry it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spur1 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 5 hours ago, RomanPer said: Sorry, but I can’t take credit for any of it Unlike Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 2 hours ago, RWMc1 said: Seriously the Christian Broadcasting Network Who promotes conspiracy theories and pseudo science. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/christian-broadcasting-network-cbn/ Who are trump supporters. Here they are talking about " The faith of Donald Trump " https://www2.cbn.com/video/faith-donald-trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 hours ago, Ilunga said: Seriously the Christian Broadcasting Network You have to fact check the guy doing the 1st hand account of what happened? * I am not sure i believe that same guard shot a 5 year old in the head to keep him from 'escaping?' * Which he clearly articulated in the video. * I do believe the guard went on the roof with human shields. Where have we seen that before in public places? See about ten posts up. I selected yesterday a Al Jazeera version of a story. As outlets were reporting a strike causing 60 and 90 deaths. Al Jazeera reported seven? 11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Sad! Not only that; his first hand account said this reporter even recorded his fathers death amongst the seven... Only thing? He also posted a story in Dec last year saying the same thing... I prefer one of your other axioms; people are dying. The only difference is we hold different ideas on how to stop that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 The Pentagon, who via Biden is banging Israel to sign a ceasefire (before Hamas is eliminated)? Is acknowledging the school & hospital issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Who do you believe Israel? Or Erdogan. Dey aint's nunna his moolah in Turkey... I have to admit, this is a suspect source & headline. Turkey has, however, been a safe haven for terrorists & many of the worlds biggest black market racketeers. Drug dealers, gun runners, people smugglers, exiled politicians; hell any Russian who does not want to fight in Ukraine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 43 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: You have to fact check the guy doing the 1st hand account of what happened? * I am not sure i believe that same guard shot a 5 year old in the head to keep him from 'escaping?' * Which he clearly articulated in the video. * I do believe the guard went on the roof with human shields. Where have we seen that before in public places? See about ten posts up. I selected yesterday a Al Jazeera version of a story. As outlets were reporting a strike causing 60 and 90 deaths. Al Jazeera reported seven? Not only that; his first hand account said this reporter even recorded his fathers death amongst the seven... Only thing? He also posted a story in Dec last year saying the same thing... I prefer one of your other axioms; people are dying. The only difference is we hold different ideas on how to stop that! Mate I am stating that source has no credibility. That video that was posted first showed footage of Kamala Harris stating she wanted a ceasefire to bring the hostages home to Isreal. Then the presenter stated trump was saying the war in Gaza and Ukraine could lead to WW3. Then they brought on the Isreali soldier to tell his story. Couple that with their support for trump and that video was basically a trump election campaign add. Like what can I say, that site has a reputation for reporting conspiracy theories and pseudo science. It never ceases to amaze me that the anti religion crowd suddenly believe religious sources, when it suits them. You want to believe the message they are trying to promote, be my guest. Do you believe the video about trump finding his faith ? Tell me, in your opinion, what's more important, bringing the hostages home, or continuing the fight against Hamas'. Do you also know that there has been a case of polio detected in a child from Gaza ? UNICEF and the WHO want a break in hostilities so they can immunize over 640,000 children under ten years of age. https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/humanitarian-pauses-vital-critical-polio-vaccination-campaign-gaza-strip So again my friend, what's more important, killing Hamas' fighters, or getting the hostages back and immunizing 640,000 kids ? And we are talking about a ceasefire here. Which was fundamentally what that video was about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 47 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Who do you believe Israel? Or Erdogan. Dey aint's nunna his moolah in Turkey... I have to admit, this is a suspect source & headline. Turkey has, however, been a safe haven for terrorists & many of the worlds biggest black market racketeers. Drug dealers, gun runners, people smugglers, exiled politicians; hell any Russian who does not want to fight in Ukraine... I can tell you this, I will never believe anything that comes out of the mouth of the " sultan " of Turkey. And I despise Turkey for their persecution of the Kurds for the last 100 years. Also I am hesitant to believe much of what Isreal is saying in this war of words/propaganda, that has been going on between these two countries. Though if I had to choose between the two, I would choose Isreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canuck Surfer Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 23 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Tell me, in your opinion, what's more important, bringing the hostages home, or continuing the fight against Hamas'. What I can suggest? I believe capitulating to Sinwar would cost more lives than it saves. Many times more. 400,000 or 1,000,000? I look at it different than ''wanting to continue the fight.'' Instead of asking to remain in power, Hamas should ask to be allowed to exile themselves. That Gaza would lay down their weapons as a neutral country, to be established, in return for self determination without Hamas; also that Israel recede not just from Gaza but from settlements. I say saving that catastrophe is more important. I dont see leaving Hamas in power for 1/3rd of hostages. Some dead. The current Biden proposal to my understanding and with more caveats. Accomplishes anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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