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18 minutes ago, R3aL said:

These kind of topics on hockey fans boards are so intense compared to that of trade talk, prospect talk, player evaluation, owner hate etc.

 

I just want to say us spoiled Canadians cannot even agree on our own soft first world issues and loss of freedoms from our government or even really properly address our nations skeletons in the closets.

 

Its safe to say we wont agree or find a solution to a much scarier reality of what life is like in the Middle East or specifically in Gaza.

 

What it feels like to be in Israel or Gaza right now. Most of us will never know.

 

I think everyone should really chill out and speak to each other with more respect here and compassion.

 

People are dying on both sides and it is a shame. Children on both sides in hateful ways.

 

But ya I am gonna get out of here cause I have nothing to add of value other than be kind to each other. We are a community ourself.

Couldn't agree more.

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10 minutes ago, Provost said:


Please provide the dates of the most recent elections in both countries… that should answer your own questions.

 

Also, please cite evidence that thousands of rockets a day are being fired into Israel.  It is thousands in total over a couple of decades.  Heavy rockers during flare ups, and virtually nothing between.  It is a well established pattern.  The Israeli government announces a new round of settlements or discriminatory laws… Hamas says don’t do it or we will fire rockets… Israel does it… Hamas fires a few rockets which almost invariably don’t find any targets… rinse repeat.

 

Just spend a few minutes trying to change your perspective and critically look at things.  Would Israelis be having all night rave dance parties and music festivals literally three miles away from Gaza if they were living in fear of thousands of rockets constantly unleashed?  They would have been sitting in squalor and hungry in Gaza listening to the bass from that festival with a bunch of care free Israelis having a party.  Hamas has always been a paper tiger, they have long condemned Al Queada and ISIL and haven’t shared anything in common with the tactics of those groups.

 

Those rockets are also crude and homemade, and almost to no effect.  From 2004-2014 less than 50 people have been killed by them, and a good chunk of those are Palestinians.

 

Very unlike the sophisticated guided warheads that regularly demolish entire apartment buildings filled with civilians in Gaza.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220614-hamas-and-fatah-battle-for-gaza-following-hamass-landslide-election-victory/

 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/timeline-surprise-rocket-attack-hamas-israel/story?id=103816006

 

Maybe you'll get what you wish so Hamas so can take over Israel and can cleanse their own population ie killing gays and everyone that doesn't agree with them.  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36415503

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835

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4 minutes ago, bolt said:

Tell me more about removing anyone who doesn't agree with them as I look over the endless cycle of violence against ethiopean and eritrean jews in Israel.  or against the LGBTQ community by the hasidic sects in Irael.

 

No no.  I am ever so interested in how this is different.

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25 minutes ago, bolt said:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220614-hamas-and-fatah-battle-for-gaza-following-hamass-landslide-election-victory/

 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/timeline-surprise-rocket-attack-hamas-israel/story?id=103816006

 

Maybe you'll get what you wish so Hamas so can take over Israel and can cleanse their own population ie killing gays and everyone that doesn't agree with them.  If you don't agree with colonizers such as those in Israel, why are you a colonizer yourself in Canada?  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36415503

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835


Your link was about how Hamas won a surprise election in 2006 and was abruptly faced with a US led coup to topple it and how it hasn’t been able to form a real government since it was targeted by the US.

 

The extremist Israeli government was voted in last year, yet again.  Partnered with Eden more extreme elements to form a coalition.  Literal White (Jewish) Power parties with a platform to eradicate Arabs from Israel.  The only difference between the ultra orthodox right wing parties and the purely terrorist Israeli political parties are how fast they want to decimate Arabs and Palestinians.

 

Maybe you’ll get your wish and Israel can take over the rest of Palestine and continue killing and displacing them without anyone caring.  You probably will.

 

I mean you couldn’t google “Israeli settler kills Palestinian” and find hundreds of links and instances of that happening over the years.  Just change the year in the search title for a different set of the stories about Palestinian civilians being murdered.  No outrage there for some reason.  No pictures of dead babies and children flooding the news in those hundreds of instances… those are the wrong sort of kids to care about.  Those are the vermin.

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-killed-during-settler-assault-west-bank-town-palestinian-officials-2023-10-06/

 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/israeli-settler-accused-involvement-killing-palestinian-moved-house-102147805

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/israel-un-experts-condemn-record-year-israeli-violence-occupied-west-bank

 

https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/21/hundreds-of-israeli-settlers-torch-palestinian-homes-and-cars-after-deadly-shooting-at-set

 

https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_shoot_dead_12_year_old_palestinian_boy_in_qalqilya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Tell me more about removing anyone who doesn't agree with them as I look over the endless cycle of violence against ethiopean and eritrean jews in Israel.  or against the LGBTQ community by the hasidic sects in Irael.

 

No no.  I am ever so interested in how this is different.


… and also, no one here is saying they want Hamas to take over Israel.

 

That is just gaslighting and deflection.

 

What most people seem to want is for people to stop dying, especially innocent ones.  Maybe for international law to apply.  Maybe for Palestinians to have an opportunity to prosper so that future generations don’t become radicalized due to just despair and loss of hope for any future.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Provost said:

What most people seem to want is for people to stop dying, especially innocent ones.  Maybe for international law to apply.  Maybe for Palestinians to have an opportunity to prosper so that future generations don’t become radicalized due to just despair and loss of hope for any future.

 

 

Something people here completely fail to understand is this.

 

70 ish years or so of Palestinian children watching their land annexed.  Seeing their homes bulldozed.  their places of worship bulldozed and their relatives killed only to be told fighting back is wrong and that they essentially have to accept it.

 

There is no question what this would do to a young mind.  No question this would create insane amounts of anger and an almost immediate rejection of anything Israeli.

 

This would unquestionably engender a generational hatred towards what would be deemed "occupiers" and one has to question at what point it stops or how it stops.  because at no point in time will refusing to allow children playgrounds, colouring books or drawing implements let alone access to water via segregation do ANYTHING but foster resentment and hatred.

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1 minute ago, bolt said:

There hasnt been an election since 2006 in Gaza because Hamas has banned them.  

Hence why saying Palestinians deserves whatbis coming cause they voted for them is disingenuous. 

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31 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Something people here completely fail to understand is this.

 

70 ish years or so of Palestinian children watching their land annexed.  Seeing their homes bulldozed.  their places of worship bulldozed and their relatives killed only to be told fighting back is wrong and that they essentially have to accept it.

 

There is no question what this would do to a young mind.  No question this would create insane amounts of anger and an almost immediate rejection of anything Israeli.

 

This would unquestionably engender a generational hatred towards what would be deemed "occupiers" and one has to question at what point it stops or how it stops.  because at no point in time will refusing to allow children playgrounds, colouring books or drawing implements let alone access to water via segregation do ANYTHING but foster resentment and hatred.

War "hippy" believes that there was justification to kill 1200 people including 250 innocent people at a music festival?  Quit sympathizing and trying to justify with terrorists.  

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34 minutes ago, bolt said:

There hasnt been an election since 2006 in Gaza because Hamas has banned them.  

 

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-elections-religion-government-and-politics-e88636bc919f8aab455e01fbbd4b4391


You keep posting links that say the opposite of what you write.  Do you even bother to read them or just know so little about this all that you can’t comprehend them.

 

The link you provided literally says the US backed Fatah government decided not to hold any elections because they thought they might lose to Hamas.  Hamas called it a coup and weren’t the ones that banned them.

 

The link even says how happy Israel and the west were that Palestinians weren’t allowed to hold elections.  It goes in to say how Israel prohibits Palestinians from travelling to vote in any elections.

 

The Fatah are the group that the US funded and used to undertake a coup in Palestine after the last elections.

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You keep posting links that say the opposite of what you write.  Do you even bother to read them or just know so little about this all that you can’t comprehend them.

 

The link you provided literally says the US backed Fateh government decided not to hold any elections because they thought they might lose to Hamas.  Hamas called it a coup and weren’t the ones that banned them.

 

The link even says how happy Israel and the west were that Palestinians weren’t allowed to hold elections.

You keep posting sympathizing with Hamas terrorists.   

4 minutes ago, Provost said:


You keep posting links that say the opposite of what you write.  Do you even bother to read them or just know so little about this all that you can’t comprehend them.

 

The link you provided literally says the US backed Fatah government decided not to hold any elections because they thought they might lose to Hamas.  Hamas called it a coup and weren’t the ones that banned them.

 

The link even says how happy Israel and the west were that Palestinians weren’t allowed to hold elections.

 

The Fatah are the group that the US funded and used to undertake a coup in Palestine after the last elections.

"Hamas does not recognize Israel’s right to exist and has fought three wars with it since seizing control of Gaza. It has also carried out scores of attacks over the past three decades that have killed hundreds of Israeli civilians."

 

 

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2 minutes ago, bolt said:

You keep posting sympathizing with Hamas terrorists.   


… that is really all you have?  You keep simply lying and literally undercutting your own lies by providing links that explicitly say you are lying.

 

Try to be a grown up.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Provost said:


… that is really all you have?  You keep simply lying and literally undercutting your own lies by providing links that explicitly say you are lying.

 

Try to be a grown up.

 

 

 

 

You waste your time trying to explain.He understand but he doesn't want to understand.Holly computer warrior.If he understood how much life is precious,he wouldn't talk like this.There is space there for all of them.They need to give up greed

Just now, Lemon Face said:

You waste your time trying to explain.He understand but he doesn't want to understand.Holly computer warrior.If he understood how much life is precious,he wouldn't talk like this.There is space there for all of them.They need to give up greed

Everything would work it self naturally.

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How exactly would you eradicate Hamas?  Should Israel just do nothing with 150 citizens being currently tortured as hostages and the worst daily death count since the Nazi death camps?   

 

Does Hamas hide in Civilian apartment buidlings?  Does hamas hide in schools?  Does Hamas use human shields?

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2 minutes ago, bolt said:

How exactly would you eradicate Hamas?  Should Israel just do nothing with 150 citizens being currently tortured as hostages?   

 

It all depends on  how important it is for Israel to get the  100-150  Israeli hostages back alive.... 

 

Israel has 4500 palestinian hostages locked up in Israel also....

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2 minutes ago, moosehead said:

 

It all depends on  how important it is for Israel to get the  100-150  Israeli hostages back alive.... 

 

Israel has 4500 palestinian hostages locked up in Israel also....

So they just drove in Gaza and just kidnapped them the same way way as the Hamas terrorists?  

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6 minutes ago, bolt said:

How exactly would you eradicate Hamas?  Should Israel just do nothing with 150 citizens being currently tortured as hostages and the worst daily death count since the Nazi death camps?   

 

Does Hamas hide in Civilian apartment buidlings?  Does hamas hide in schools?  Does Hamas use human shields?

You have unlocked a new low iq score for yourself. Give up while you’re ahead 🤦‍♂️

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4 minutes ago, bolt said:

So they just drove in Gaza and just kidnapped them the same way way as the Hamas terrorists?  

 

Well 

 

Infographic: How many Palestinians are imprisoned by Israel?

Israel holds some 4,450 Palestinians – including 160 children, 32 women, and 530 administrative detainees – in prisons.

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9 minutes ago, bolt said:

So they just drove in Gaza and just kidnapped them the same way way as the Hamas terrorists?  

 

 

This conflict is sickening . Enough is enough. No more innocent  civilian suffering.   

The time for peace is now.  Start the negotiations now.  Make peace. 

 

Colonialism should be a thing of past .   Historical.  injustices needs to redressed.

Apartheid / ethnic cleansing  should not be allowed to happen in 2023 in Israel. 

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