King Heffy Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, R3aL said: These kind of topics on hockey fans boards are so intense compared to that of trade talk, prospect talk, player evaluation, owner hate etc. I just want to say us spoiled Canadians cannot even agree on our own soft first world issues and loss of freedoms from our government or even really properly address our nations skeletons in the closets. Its safe to say we wont agree or find a solution to a much scarier reality of what life is like in the Middle East or specifically in Gaza. What it feels like to be in Israel or Gaza right now. Most of us will never know. I think everyone should really chill out and speak to each other with more respect here and compassion. People are dying on both sides and it is a shame. Children on both sides in hateful ways. But ya I am gonna get out of here cause I have nothing to add of value other than be kind to each other. We are a community ourself. Couldn't agree more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted October 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, bolt said: Palestine elected Hamas as their Governnent. Who is exactly is controlling Gaza? Firing thousands of rockets per day from apartment buildings into Israel and using human shields is brave? https://torontosun.com/news/batras-burning-questions-how-can-you-be-a-canadian-and-support-hamas Anyways a question for you. How can you be a Canadian and support Hamas? Did you support ISIS as well? Please provide the dates of the most recent elections in both countries… that should answer your own questions. Also, please cite evidence that thousands of rockets a day are being fired into Israel. It is thousands in total over a couple of decades. Heavy rockers during flare ups, and virtually nothing between. It is a well established pattern. The Israeli government announces a new round of settlements or discriminatory laws… Hamas says don’t do it or we will fire rockets… Israel does it… Hamas fires a few rockets which almost invariably don’t find any targets… rinse repeat. Just spend a few minutes trying to change your perspective and critically look at things. Would Israelis be having all night rave dance parties and music festivals literally three miles away from Gaza if they were living in fear of thousands of rockets constantly unleashed? Palestinians would have been sitting in squalor and hungry in Gaza listening to the bass from that festival with a bunch of care free Israelis having a party. Hamas has always been a paper tiger, they have long condemned Al Queada and ISIL and haven’t shared anything in common with the tactics of those groups. Those rockets are also crude and homemade, and almost to no effect. From 2004-2014 less than 50 people have been killed by them, and a good chunk of those are Palestinians. Very unlike the sophisticated guided warheads that regularly demolish entire apartment buildings filled with civilians in Gaza. Edited October 14, 2023 by Provost 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Provost said: Please provide the dates of the most recent elections in both countries… that should answer your own questions. Also, please cite evidence that thousands of rockets a day are being fired into Israel. It is thousands in total over a couple of decades. Heavy rockers during flare ups, and virtually nothing between. It is a well established pattern. The Israeli government announces a new round of settlements or discriminatory laws… Hamas says don’t do it or we will fire rockets… Israel does it… Hamas fires a few rockets which almost invariably don’t find any targets… rinse repeat. Just spend a few minutes trying to change your perspective and critically look at things. Would Israelis be having all night rave dance parties and music festivals literally three miles away from Gaza if they were living in fear of thousands of rockets constantly unleashed? They would have been sitting in squalor and hungry in Gaza listening to the bass from that festival with a bunch of care free Israelis having a party. Hamas has always been a paper tiger, they have long condemned Al Queada and ISIL and haven’t shared anything in common with the tactics of those groups. Those rockets are also crude and homemade, and almost to no effect. From 2004-2014 less than 50 people have been killed by them, and a good chunk of those are Palestinians. Very unlike the sophisticated guided warheads that regularly demolish entire apartment buildings filled with civilians in Gaza. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220614-hamas-and-fatah-battle-for-gaza-following-hamass-landslide-election-victory/ https://abcnews.go.com/International/timeline-surprise-rocket-attack-hamas-israel/story?id=103816006 Maybe you'll get what you wish so Hamas so can take over Israel and can cleanse their own population ie killing gays and everyone that doesn't agree with them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36415503 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835 Edited October 13, 2023 by bolt 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, bolt said: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220614-hamas-and-fatah-battle-for-gaza-following-hamass-landslide-election-victory/ https://abcnews.go.com/International/timeline-surprise-rocket-attack-hamas-israel/story?id=103816006 Maybe you'll get what you wish so Hamas so can take over Israel and can cleanse their own population ie killing gays and everyone that doesn't agree with them. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36415503 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835 Tell me more about removing anyone who doesn't agree with them as I look over the endless cycle of violence against ethiopean and eritrean jews in Israel. or against the LGBTQ community by the hasidic sects in Irael. No no. I am ever so interested in how this is different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, bolt said: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220614-hamas-and-fatah-battle-for-gaza-following-hamass-landslide-election-victory/ https://abcnews.go.com/International/timeline-surprise-rocket-attack-hamas-israel/story?id=103816006 Maybe you'll get what you wish so Hamas so can take over Israel and can cleanse their own population ie killing gays and everyone that doesn't agree with them. If you don't agree with colonizers such as those in Israel, why are you a colonizer yourself in Canada? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36415503 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835 Your link was about how Hamas won a surprise election in 2006 and was abruptly faced with a US led coup to topple it and how it hasn’t been able to form a real government since it was targeted by the US. The extremist Israeli government was voted in last year, yet again. Partnered with Eden more extreme elements to form a coalition. Literal White (Jewish) Power parties with a platform to eradicate Arabs from Israel. The only difference between the ultra orthodox right wing parties and the purely terrorist Israeli political parties are how fast they want to decimate Arabs and Palestinians. Maybe you’ll get your wish and Israel can take over the rest of Palestine and continue killing and displacing them without anyone caring. You probably will. I mean you couldn’t google “Israeli settler kills Palestinian” and find hundreds of links and instances of that happening over the years. Just change the year in the search title for a different set of the stories about Palestinian civilians being murdered. No outrage there for some reason. No pictures of dead babies and children flooding the news in those hundreds of instances… those are the wrong sort of kids to care about. Those are the vermin. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-killed-during-settler-assault-west-bank-town-palestinian-officials-2023-10-06/ https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/israeli-settler-accused-involvement-killing-palestinian-moved-house-102147805 https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/israel-un-experts-condemn-record-year-israeli-violence-occupied-west-bank https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/21/hundreds-of-israeli-settlers-torch-palestinian-homes-and-cars-after-deadly-shooting-at-set https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_shoot_dead_12_year_old_palestinian_boy_in_qalqilya 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Tell me more about removing anyone who doesn't agree with them as I look over the endless cycle of violence against ethiopean and eritrean jews in Israel. or against the LGBTQ community by the hasidic sects in Irael. No no. I am ever so interested in how this is different. … and also, no one here is saying they want Hamas to take over Israel. That is just gaslighting and deflection. What most people seem to want is for people to stop dying, especially innocent ones. Maybe for international law to apply. Maybe for Palestinians to have an opportunity to prosper so that future generations don’t become radicalized due to just despair and loss of hope for any future. Edited October 13, 2023 by Provost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, Provost said: What most people seem to want is for people to stop dying, especially innocent ones. Maybe for international law to apply. Maybe for Palestinians to have an opportunity to prosper so that future generations don’t become radicalized due to just despair and loss of hope for any future. Something people here completely fail to understand is this. 70 ish years or so of Palestinian children watching their land annexed. Seeing their homes bulldozed. their places of worship bulldozed and their relatives killed only to be told fighting back is wrong and that they essentially have to accept it. There is no question what this would do to a young mind. No question this would create insane amounts of anger and an almost immediate rejection of anything Israeli. This would unquestionably engender a generational hatred towards what would be deemed "occupiers" and one has to question at what point it stops or how it stops. because at no point in time will refusing to allow children playgrounds, colouring books or drawing implements let alone access to water via segregation do ANYTHING but foster resentment and hatred. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) There hasnt been an election since 2006 in Gaza because Hamas has banned them. https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-elections-religion-government-and-politics-e88636bc919f8aab455e01fbbd4b4391 Edited October 13, 2023 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, bolt said: There hasnt been an election since 2006 in Gaza because Hamas has banned them. Hence why saying Palestinians deserves whatbis coming cause they voted for them is disingenuous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Something people here completely fail to understand is this. 70 ish years or so of Palestinian children watching their land annexed. Seeing their homes bulldozed. their places of worship bulldozed and their relatives killed only to be told fighting back is wrong and that they essentially have to accept it. There is no question what this would do to a young mind. No question this would create insane amounts of anger and an almost immediate rejection of anything Israeli. This would unquestionably engender a generational hatred towards what would be deemed "occupiers" and one has to question at what point it stops or how it stops. because at no point in time will refusing to allow children playgrounds, colouring books or drawing implements let alone access to water via segregation do ANYTHING but foster resentment and hatred. War "hippy" believes that there was justification to kill 1200 people including 250 innocent people at a music festival? Quit sympathizing and trying to justify with terrorists. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, bolt said: There hasnt been an election since 2006 in Gaza because Hamas has banned them. https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-elections-religion-government-and-politics-e88636bc919f8aab455e01fbbd4b4391 You keep posting links that say the opposite of what you write. Do you even bother to read them or just know so little about this all that you can’t comprehend them. The link you provided literally says the US backed Fatah government decided not to hold any elections because they thought they might lose to Hamas. Hamas called it a coup and weren’t the ones that banned them. The link even says how happy Israel and the west were that Palestinians weren’t allowed to hold elections. It goes in to say how Israel prohibits Palestinians from travelling to vote in any elections. The Fatah are the group that the US funded and used to undertake a coup in Palestine after the last elections. Edited October 13, 2023 by Provost 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, Provost said: You keep posting links that say the opposite of what you write. Do you even bother to read them or just know so little about this all that you can’t comprehend them. The link you provided literally says the US backed Fateh government decided not to hold any elections because they thought they might lose to Hamas. Hamas called it a coup and weren’t the ones that banned them. The link even says how happy Israel and the west were that Palestinians weren’t allowed to hold elections. You keep posting sympathizing with Hamas terrorists. 4 minutes ago, Provost said: You keep posting links that say the opposite of what you write. Do you even bother to read them or just know so little about this all that you can’t comprehend them. The link you provided literally says the US backed Fatah government decided not to hold any elections because they thought they might lose to Hamas. Hamas called it a coup and weren’t the ones that banned them. The link even says how happy Israel and the west were that Palestinians weren’t allowed to hold elections. The Fatah are the group that the US funded and used to undertake a coup in Palestine after the last elections. "Hamas does not recognize Israel’s right to exist and has fought three wars with it since seizing control of Gaza. It has also carried out scores of attacks over the past three decades that have killed hundreds of Israeli civilians." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, bolt said: You keep posting sympathizing with Hamas terrorists. Let's settle this so we know where you stand. Palestinians == Hamas True or false. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, bolt said: You keep posting sympathizing with Hamas terrorists. … that is really all you have? You keep simply lying and literally undercutting your own lies by providing links that explicitly say you are lying. Try to be a grown up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, 24K said: Let's settle this so we know where you stand. Palestinians == Hamas True or false. Gaza is controlled by Hamas. If not why isn't there a resistance? Edited October 13, 2023 by bolt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, bolt said: Gaza is controlled by Hamas. If not why isn't there a resistance? I asked a black and white question. Answer it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Provost said: … that is really all you have? You keep simply lying and literally undercutting your own lies by providing links that explicitly say you are lying. Try to be a grown up. You waste your time trying to explain.He understand but he doesn't want to understand.Holly computer warrior.If he understood how much life is precious,he wouldn't talk like this.There is space there for all of them.They need to give up greed Just now, Lemon Face said: You waste your time trying to explain.He understand but he doesn't want to understand.Holly computer warrior.If he understood how much life is precious,he wouldn't talk like this.There is space there for all of them.They need to give up greed Everything would work it self naturally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 They are banning Hamas protests for a reason, I'm not going to argue with obvious terrorist sympathizers. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Just now, bolt said: They are banning Hamas protests for a reason, I'm not going to argue with obvious terrorist sympathizers. Takes his ball and goes home...... LOL.... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) How exactly would you eradicate Hamas? Should Israel just do nothing with 150 citizens being currently tortured as hostages and the worst daily death count since the Nazi death camps? Does Hamas hide in Civilian apartment buidlings? Does hamas hide in schools? Does Hamas use human shields? Edited October 13, 2023 by bolt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bolt said: How exactly would you eradicate Hamas? Should Israel just do nothing with 150 citizens being currently tortured as hostages? It all depends on how important it is for Israel to get the 100-150 Israeli hostages back alive.... Israel has 4500 palestinian hostages locked up in Israel also.... Edited October 13, 2023 by moosehead 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, moosehead said: It all depends on how important it is for Israel to get the 100-150 Israeli hostages back alive.... Israel has 4500 palestinian hostages locked up in Israel also.... So they just drove in Gaza and just kidnapped them the same way way as the Hamas terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JangoFett Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, bolt said: How exactly would you eradicate Hamas? Should Israel just do nothing with 150 citizens being currently tortured as hostages and the worst daily death count since the Nazi death camps? Does Hamas hide in Civilian apartment buidlings? Does hamas hide in schools? Does Hamas use human shields? You have unlocked a new low iq score for yourself. Give up while you’re ahead 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bolt said: So they just drove in Gaza and just kidnapped them the same way way as the Hamas terrorists? Well Infographic: How many Palestinians are imprisoned by Israel? Israel holds some 4,450 Palestinians – including 160 children, 32 women, and 530 administrative detainees – in prisons. Edited October 13, 2023 by moosehead 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 We just need to send in Bruno to make peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bolt said: So they just drove in Gaza and just kidnapped them the same way way as the Hamas terrorists? This conflict is sickening . Enough is enough. No more innocent civilian suffering. The time for peace is now. Start the negotiations now. Make peace. Colonialism should be a thing of past . Historical. injustices needs to redressed. Apartheid / ethnic cleansing should not be allowed to happen in 2023 in Israel. Edited October 13, 2023 by moosehead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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