Hamas attacking Israel

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

Old Alf needs help on this one. Isn’t this country chummy with Pootin? And which side will Turkey be on? 

[Canuck Surfer]

40 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Old Alf needs help on this one. Isn’t this country chummy with Pootin? And which side will Turkey be on? 

 

Me too, I have no idea either. They have been at war with Armenia, which is overwhelmingly Christian.  

 

In any case, hope AZ distances itself from Russia over this.  I imagine @RomanPer might not know status of any regional alliances to Israel?

Edited 19 hours ago by Canuck Surfer

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Me too, they have been at war with Armenia, which is overwhelmingly Christian.  

 

I any case, hope AZ distances itself from Russia over this.  I imagine @RomanPer might not know status of any regional alliances to Israel?

Maybe the Muslim countries not led by crazies will side with the west? 

[Canuck Surfer]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe the Muslim countries not led by crazies will side with the west? 

 

Armenia has been heading in that direction, electing a pro West / Anti communist govt. Large protests and efforts to move away from Russia who is trying to re-implant a regime friendly to Pootin (your choice of words) and disrupt elections. 

 

Turkey wants to bust Armenia's south open. There is about, by memory a 50 or 150KM border between Armenia & Iran separating Turkey & AZ. Azerbaijan has taken possession of a border highway zone that entire border length, along cliffs and mountains like the road to Whistler. So that there can be significant trade connecting not just AZ & Turkey, but all of Asia through ports on its Caspian Sea to Europe.  Armenians are not Turkiye friendly, now or historically.

 

I understand Azerbaijan & Turkey also want gas & oil pipelines. Maybe already there. Essentially controlling the silk road from Asia to Europe. Bypassing both Iran & Russia. Thinking out loud, that alone could be part of it? Mind you; Netanyahu on his famous ''map'' bypassed Iran & Russia by potential political affiliation with the Saudi's, adding Jordan a quick overland route to the Mediterranean.

 

  

[RomanPer]

27 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

 

Me too, I have no idea either. They have been at war with Armenia, which is overwhelmingly Christian.  

 

In any case, hope AZ distances itself from Russia over this.  I imagine @RomanPer might not know status of any regional alliances to Israel?

 

Azerbaijan is not close to russia. They are very close to Turkey (the languages are practically the same) and plenty of proclamation of "one people" from both sides. At the same time, Azerbaijan is very close to Israel (arguably, the closest Israeli ally in Muslim world). Essentially, Israel equipped the entire new Azeri army. The full domination of Azerbaijan in their war against Armenia is entirely attributes to Israeli technology and specialists (Israeli drones especially).

[Alflives]

16 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

Azerbaijan is not close to russia. They are very close to Turkey (the languages are practically the same) and plenty of proclamation of "one people" from both sides. At the same time, Azerbaijan is very close to Israel (arguably, the closest Israeli ally in Muslim world). Essentially, Israel equipped the entire new Azeri army. The full domination of Azerbaijan in their war against Armenia is entirely attributes to Israeli technology and specialists (Israeli drones especially).

@RomanPer

From your information here I get the impression that when the crazies are eliminated Israel and the Muslim nations can work together for peace and prosperity for the whole region? 
 

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, RomanPer said:

 

Azerbaijan is not close to russia. They are very close to Turkey (the languages are practically the same) and plenty of proclamation of "one people" from both sides. At the same time, Azerbaijan is very close to Israel (arguably, the closest Israeli ally in Muslim world). Essentially, Israel equipped the entire new Azeri army. The full domination of Azerbaijan in their war against Armenia is entirely attributes to Israeli technology and specialists (Israeli drones especially).

 

Yes, Israel, supporting a corrupt,  Authoritarian regime.

 

https://freedomhouse.org/country/azerbaijan

 

 

Global Freedom ranking 

 

7 out of 100.

It doesn't get any worse than that.

 

" Power in Azerbaijan's authoritarian regime remains heavily concentrated in the hands of Ilham Aliyev, who has served as president since 2003, and his extended family. Corruption is rampant, and the formal political opposition has been weakened by years of persecution. The authorities have carried out an extensive crackdown on civil liberties in recent years, leaving little room for independent expression or activism. "  

 

Azerbaijan is one of the least free countries on this planet.

And Israel supports this regime.

[RomanPer]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

@RomanPer

From your information here I get the impression that when the crazies are eliminated Israel and the Muslim nations can work together for peace and prosperity for the whole region? 
 

 

I certainly hope so.

[SilentSam]

 

 

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, RomanPer said:

 

I certainly hope so.

 

Even Iran ranks slightly higher on Freedom House's

Freedom Rankings than Azerbaijan does.

 

https://freedomhouse.org/country/iran

 

https://freedomhouse.org/country/azerbaijan

 

 

You talk about Azerbaijan's " war " on Armenia ?

Don't you mean ethnic cleansing ?

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/armenia-asks-world-court-pursue-ethnic-cleansing-case-against-azerbaijan-2024-04-16/

 

" As an Azerbaijani I have to speak out about my country's ethnic cleansing of Armenians "

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/09/azerbaijani-ethnic-cleansing-armenians-nagorno-karabakh-children

 

You must be so proud that Israel has an ally that is responsible for ethnic cleansing.

And Isreal has helped enable this.

 

[Canuck Surfer]

@grover

 

You may have picked up on my key theme by now?  

 

* If you support Hamas Hezbollah Palestinians? 

* I encourage you to protest not against Israel. Not that they don't have crimes or faults.

* Nor make blanket statements of blame.

* Campaign against crimes in the name of Palestine, and endemic problems.

* Such as a lack of acceptance to alternate cultures and religions.

* Or women's rights.

 

For the record.  

 

Those who are supporters of Israel?

* I call on not to place blanket blame on Hamas Hezbollah Palestinians? Even though they have faults, crimes.

* I call on to protest against settlements, settler abuse, create planning for a home for Palestinians. Front up accountability for deaths of aid workers, press, mass bombing.

* To help with aid for Gaza.

* Consider the collateral damage in extensive bombing & other heavily military campaigns.

Etc..

 

My own worry, it sounds like blanket blame? That militant leadership in Islamic extremist controlled regions will be harder to curtail from systemic abuse across their reign. 

 

I do feel Israel can elect new leadership. I am not sure another gang, or the next Hamas / Hezbollah leader can open up acceptance of other religions, womens rights, minorities, other cultures. No Hamas Charter or Islamic Jihad. I believe there will have to be an arms ban across Gaza, the West Bank, we'll see regarding Southern Lebanon. Intermediary multi nation - multi Arabic peace keeping force to establish new rule of law without terrorism in a 'new Palestine.' 

 

 

[Canuck Surfer]

This story is rude, disgusting, yet a relief & uplifting that escape was possible.  She posted a secret Tic Tok video asking for help.

 

A sex slave at 11!  Moved from Kurdistan to Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt & eventually Gaza.

 

 

[Taxi]

2 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

This story is rude, disgusting, yet a relief & uplifting that escape was possible.  She posted a secret Tic Tok video asking for help.

 

A sex slave at 11!  Moved from Kurdistan to Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt & eventually Gaza.

 

 

This was so shocking. I have a hard time believing the neighbors and authorities weren't aware that a teenage Yazidi sex slave was living in Gaza. I wonder how many people be about this and didn't take any action, or even supported it.

[RomanPer]

12 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

Even Iran ranks slightly higher on Freedom House's

Freedom Rankings than Azerbaijan does.

 

https://freedomhouse.org/country/iran

 

https://freedomhouse.org/country/azerbaijan

 

 

You talk about Azerbaijan's " war " on Armenia ?

Don't you mean ethnic cleansing ?

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/armenia-asks-world-court-pursue-ethnic-cleansing-case-against-azerbaijan-2024-04-16/

 

" As an Azerbaijani I have to speak out about my country's ethnic cleansing of Armenians "

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/09/azerbaijani-ethnic-cleansing-armenians-nagorno-karabakh-children

 

You must be so proud that Israel has an ally that is responsible for ethnic cleansing.

And Isreal has helped enable this.

 

 

Where the fuck did I say I support any of that? I simply stated the fact without providing any of my personal feelings. And you must be so proud to make shit up where it doesn't exist.

Edited 55 minutes ago by RomanPer

[Canuck Surfer]