Elias Pettersson Posted Saturday at 09:21 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:21 PM (edited) Edited Saturday at 09:22 PM by Elias Pettersson 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted Saturday at 09:24 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:24 PM 53 minutes ago, Optimist Prime said: An hour ago Responding to Netanyahu’s allegation that his residence was attacked by Iranian proxies, a spokesman for Iran’s mission at the United Nations in New York told @WSJ the “action in question has been carried out by Hezbollah in Lebanon.” Iran said don't blame us, Hezbollah did it? That's kinda like blaming your dog for being poorly trained. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted Saturday at 10:26 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:26 PM 6 hours ago, SilentSam said: The Lions Roar at the entrance … surrender or die . It would be great to see some hostages released with guys surrendering. Yet its positive. They will live, kill no IDF, less civilians surrounding them at risk... Maybe even some intel? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted Saturday at 11:13 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:13 PM 45 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: It would be great to see some hostages released with guys surrendering. Yet its positive. They will live, kill no IDF, less civilians surrounding them at risk... Maybe even some intel? Let’s hope ! This melting pot that has been burning in this region for centuries , needs to cease, .. and desist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted Saturday at 11:46 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:46 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: Totally. What I see as a divider in the 'rapes' column is that some Israeli Soldiers or at the very least Prison Guards appear to have done some horrible things against inmates who can not protect themselves. Those individuals are being held accountable like they would be in any democratic nation with rules and laws. They do not represent the authority or laws or ways that prisoners are treated by Israel on a state level. They are, if guilty, criminals who had power over helpless captives. Meanwhile the doctrine of the Terrorists in Hamas and other entities like Islamic Jihad is to literally use these kinds of sexual attacks as part of their terror campaign. Fr me that is a big distinction: assholes acting illegally and abusing their authority on an individual level who are then being held accountable by law vs Terror groups who murder, rape and torture as a tactic on the ground. Big difference. Israeli soldiers held accountable ? There was right wing mob lead by members of the Knesset, storming the jail where the soldiers accused of sexually abusing Palestinians detainee are held, demanding their release. Five of them were released. https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel-should-have-zero-tolerance-for-abuse-rape-of-any-palestinian-detainee/ https://www.vox.com/politics/364343/israel-riot-military-base-sde-touman-torture-member-knesset Then a week or so later the other five have been released from Jail and placed under house arrest. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-13/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-soldiers-suspected-of-abusing-hamas-prisoner-to-be-sent-to-house-arrest/00000191-4bde-d7fd-a7f5-7bfe884c0000 The IDF's and the settlers actions, which include acts of terror in the west bank have gone unpunished for decades. " The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Isreal. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html So no, none of the soldiers who sexually abused Palestinian detainees have been held accountable by law. And in that supposed democracy, you have members of the government rioting and storming jails. Edited Saturday at 11:46 PM by Ilunga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted Saturday at 11:52 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:52 PM 4 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Israeli soldiers held accountable ? There was right wing mob lead by members of the Knesset, storming the jail where the soldiers accused of sexually abusing Palestinians detainee are held, demanding their release. Five of them were released. https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel-should-have-zero-tolerance-for-abuse-rape-of-any-palestinian-detainee/ https://www.vox.com/politics/364343/israel-riot-military-base-sde-touman-torture-member-knesset Then a week or so later the other five have been released from Jail and placed under house arrest. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-13/ty-article/.premium/five-israeli-soldiers-suspected-of-abusing-hamas-prisoner-to-be-sent-to-house-arrest/00000191-4bde-d7fd-a7f5-7bfe884c0000 The IDF's and the settlers actions, which include acts of terror in the west bank have gone unpunished for decades. " The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Isreal. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html So no, none of the soldiers who sexually abused Palestinian detainees have been held accountable by law. And in that supposed democracy, you have members of the government rioting and storming jails. In most of our democracies the accused would be processed and released until trial. Are you suggesting we all lock up everyone accused of everything for the entire time it takes to investigate, process, try and deliver a verdict and then any appeals? or just these Israeli's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM Share Posted Sunday at 12:04 AM 1 minute ago, Optimist Prime said: In most of our democracies the accused would be processed and released until trial. Are you suggesting we all lock up everyone accused of everything for the entire time it takes to investigate, process, try and deliver a verdict and then any appeals? or just these Israeli's? They, the Isreali, authorities, obviously thought the alleged crimes were serious to lock them up in the first place. You stated that the people who acted illegally and are abusing their authority on an individual level are being held accountable. They have not been held accountable, they never are. I have posted many videos and articles that detail IDF and settlers crimes, that go unpunished. There is a New York Times article detailing how the crimes of the IDF and Israeli settlers in the west bank have gone Unpunished for decades. No comment about members of the Isreali government rioting and storming jails ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted Sunday at 02:16 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:16 AM A Certain Death …. That will free Iran. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted Sunday at 02:55 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:55 AM 5 hours ago, Bob Long said: Iran said don't blame us, Hezbollah did it? That's kinda like blaming your dog for being poorly trained. Some 'owners' are pretty happy when their muts run free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted Sunday at 03:29 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:29 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, SilentSam said: Let’s hope ! This melting pot that has been burning in this region for centuries , needs to cease, .. and desist. The place known as Palestine/Israel has not been a melting pot for centuries. Under the Ottoman Empire, and before that, until the end of WW1, people from different faiths/ethnicities lived in relative peace. Violence between them was rare. In fact you can thank western colonialism for turning the middle east into a " melting pot " " How the west remade the middle east " https://jacobin.com/2024/03/west-colonialism-middle-east-ussama-makdisi " Western media often characterises as a region eternally scriven with sectarian conflicts. In an interview historian Ussama Makdisi says this is wrong, starting with the fact that the region has a rich history of multiethnic coexistence. The modern middle east is the product of two major events. The first is the breakdown of the Ottoman Empire, and the second is the attempt made by western states to fill this power vacuum by asserting their own territorial claims over the region through the colonial mandate system. In a two part interview on Jacobin radio the dig podcast, Ussama Makdisi, the author of, The Age of Coexistence: The Eucumenical Frame and the Making of the Modern Arab World, outlined this complex history. What he shows is that the Middle East, contrary to the Orientalist notion that it is place of unending conflict and sectarian violence, has a long and rich tradition of ethnic coexistence between Muslim's, Jews, Christians, and other minorities. " The article, which is long, goes on to detail what he asserts. Edited Sunday at 03:30 AM by Ilunga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Optimist Prime Posted Sunday at 06:02 AM Share Posted Sunday at 06:02 AM 3 hours ago, SilentSam said: A Certain Death …. That will free Iran. What if you shoot the devil in the back, and miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted Sunday at 06:06 AM Share Posted Sunday at 06:06 AM 6 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: In most of our democracies the accused would be processed and released until trial. Are you suggesting we all lock up everyone accused of everything for the entire time it takes to investigate, process, try and deliver a verdict and then any appeals? or just these Israeli's? There was an incident of Israel military police showing up to deal with some of the rapist military persons. The MPs were attacked. Crazy. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-10-15/ty-article/.premium/idf-soldiers-attacked-military-police-at-gunpoint-for-arresting-comrades-at-sde-teiman/00000192-904d-d2db-ab97-dddd31dd0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted Sunday at 09:31 AM Share Posted Sunday at 09:31 AM Kill them by machete. Boys, Men, Women, Girls; Jews! 180 hours of interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted Sunday at 10:02 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:02 AM Sinister leak, leak to scare Iranians, deeply imbedded mole in US Intelligence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxi Posted Sunday at 04:09 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:09 PM 16 hours ago, Ilunga said: They, the Isreali, authorities, obviously thought the alleged crimes were serious to lock them up in the first place. You stated that the people who acted illegally and are abusing their authority on an individual level are being held accountable. They have not been held accountable, they never are. I have posted many videos and articles that detail IDF and settlers crimes, that go unpunished. There is a New York Times article detailing how the crimes of the IDF and Israeli settlers in the west bank have gone Unpunished for decades. No comment about members of the Isreali government rioting and storming jails ? There are rules about when you can lock someone up prior to a conviction. The Crown basically needs to prove that are dangerous or a flight risk. You're stating that Israel is not a democracy, because they believe in the principal of innocent until proven guilty? I'm sorry they can't ignore that principal, because you and a bunch of other internet loudmouths, who know very little of the case and were not a witness to a single event, have already decided the case without a trial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted Sunday at 04:45 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:45 PM 9 hours ago - Israeli army: We killed Hezbollah commander Abbas Salameh in a raid on the Tebnin area and meanwhile in northern Gaza, it is rare to see IDF lose such a high ranking member! 33 minutes ago - The commander of the Israeli army's 401st Armored Brigade, Colonel Ehsan Daqsa, was killed during fighting in the northern Gaza Strip earlier today, the military announces. According to an initial Israeli army probe, Daqsa's tank and another tank were hit by explosive devices during operations in Jabaliya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted Sunday at 05:21 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:21 PM 11 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: What if you shoot the devil in the back, and miss? you fire again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted Sunday at 05:23 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:23 PM Iran trying to kill Bibi is guaranteeing bunker busting hits as soon as the American election is over. I would not be surprised to see American bombers participating. Decapitate Iranian leadership and Iran can rebuild itself. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted Sunday at 05:28 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:28 PM 4 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Iran trying to kill Bibi is guaranteeing bunker busting hits as soon as the American election is over. I would not be surprised to see American bombers participating. Decapitate Iranian leadership and Iran can rebuild itself. Does Harris need to win for this to happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted Sunday at 05:36 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:36 PM 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Does Harris need to win for this to happen? My assumption is that Harris will win. Trump is so irratic I am not sure what he would do. My assumption, based on past statements, is that he would support an attack on Iran. Especially true if the Israelis are going to do it one way or the other. I think the Israelis are waiting until after the election as oil pricies will go thru the roof as soon as the hit. Harris is afaid of the fallout from higher pump prices. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted Sunday at 05:41 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:41 PM 4 minutes ago, Boudrias said: My assumption is that Harris will win. Trump is so irratic I am not sure what he would do. My assumption, based on past statements, is that he would support an attack on Iran. Especially true if the Israelis are going to do it one way or the other. I think the Israelis are waiting until after the election as oil pricies will go thru the roof as soon as the hit. Harris is afaid of the fallout from higher pump prices. Good. Wipeout all those evil bastards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted Sunday at 06:25 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:25 PM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted Sunday at 06:37 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:37 PM 11 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Most of these Hamas and Hezbollah leaders are hoodlums. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted Sunday at 06:54 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:54 PM 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: Iran trying to kill Bibi is guaranteeing bunker busting hits as soon as the American election is over. I would not be surprised to see American bombers participating. Decapitate Iranian leadership and Iran can rebuild itself. One can only hope. I am a strong advocate of keeping the religious dictator as far from nuclear capabilities as possible, even if we have to bomb them (the facilities and government, not the innocents in Iran) back into the stone age. A famous axiom about theater is that if a gun is introduced in the second act, it absolutely must go off in the third. Iran is feverishly working to develop a nuke to solve the religious nutjobs problem, that being the existence of Israel. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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