Odd. Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, Captain insano said: 19 year old averaging almost 2ppg and putting up 40 yeah def no nhl career for him There’s a reason he was rated as a top 15 pick heading into 2023 before he fell to the mid 2nd round. His game is insanely flawed. Very much a high risk player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whorvat Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Captain insano said: 19 year old averaging almost 2ppg and putting up 40 yeah def no nhl career for him Because there's never been a high scoring junior player not make the NHL.. good convo Below average size...check Poor skater...check Poor defensive play...check Definitely sounds like someone who will succeed at the NHL level. I'm not saying he absolutely won't, just that the current iteration of him needs a lot of work, in comparison to someone like Tij Edited June 18 by Whorvat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 57 minutes ago, Odd. said: There’s a reason he was rated as a top 15 pick heading into 2023 before he fell to the mid 2nd round. His game is insanely flawed. Very much a high risk player. If you don’t have holes in your game as a teenager you’re a top 5 pick, Ridley greig was having the same stuff said about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3nny Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Seems like he’s moving up the draft board now, but I rly liked what I saw out of Stian Solberg at the WC tourney. Rly physical but I thought he was great positionally as well. Reminded me of something between Juulsen and Trouba, but he made a couple nice passes/plays as well. Tough to project coming out of Norway, but he stood out to me in a good way a number of times. Would be nice if we had a second in case he falls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) I don't mean to knock Cristall, I liked him last year & he's certainly talented, but as far as projecting to the NHL Tij is in a different tier all together. Its going to be very interesting to see who's available at our pick, there's been talk about Ben Danford potentially rising to late 1st/early 2nd territory, in the draft simulators he's available at our picks interestingly, but for me I've actually liked his teammate Luca Marrelli alot better all season. Both skate pretty well & defend pretty well (in the OHL) but Marelli has better puck skills, more offensive IQ, has more upside with the puck. If he's there at whatever our 1st pick is I'd be pretty happy with it. Edited June 19 by Smashian Kassian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I think this is a good year to just load up on goalies. Hopefully get a late hit like Silovs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 My top 10: 1. Macklin Celebrini 2. Artyom Levshunov 3. Zeev Buium 4. Ivan Demidov 5. Cole Eiserman 6. Sam Dickinson 7. Cayden Lindstrom 8. Zayne Parekh 9. Tij Iginla 10. Anton Silayev HM: Berkly Catton, Konsta Helenius, Carter Yakemchuk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Tim Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) I'll take a stab at a top 10 as well: SJ - Celebrini CHI - Demidov ANA - Levshunov CBJ - Lindstrom MTL - Catton UTAH - Buium OTT - Iginla SEA - Silayev CGY - Helenius NJ - Solberg HM: Eiserman, Parekh, Connelly, Sennecke, Brandsegg-Nygard Edited June 21 by Jim Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted Monday at 12:49 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:49 AM Watching some more tape on Silayev as I finish my list & man... he is an absolute marvel to behold. Its unlike anything I've ever seen before. Maybe Hedman but Silayev moves even quicker than Hedman. The downside is he has basically no offensive game (unlike Hedman) but he could still be an absolute force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted Monday at 02:04 AM Share Posted Monday at 02:04 AM Alright friends here's what I've got, my top 32; (bring on any feedback haha) 1. Macklin Celebrini 2. Ivan Demidov 3. Anton Silayev 4. Zeev Buium 5. Cayden Lindstrom 6. Carter Yakemchuk 7. Berkly Catton 8. Sam Dickinson 9. Artyom Levshunov 10. Tij Iginla ---- 11. Sennecke 12. Chernyshov 13. Parekh 14. Brandsegg-Nygard 15. Helenius 16. Shuravin 17. Solberg 18. Greentree 19. Basha 20. Freij 21. Badinka 22. Ritchie 23. Luchanko 24. Hage 25. Artamonov 26. Eiserman 27. Jiricek 28. Beaudoin 29. Pettersson 30. Vanacker 31. Emery 32. Surin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted Monday at 02:32 AM Share Posted Monday at 02:32 AM 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: Watching some more tape on Silayev as I finish my list & man... he is an absolute marvel to behold. Its unlike anything I've ever seen before. Maybe Hedman but Silayev moves even quicker than Hedman. The downside is he has basically no offensive game (unlike Hedman) but he could still be an absolute force. He kind of reminds me of Jovo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted Monday at 02:55 AM Share Posted Monday at 02:55 AM (edited) 24 minutes ago, Hammertime said: He kind of reminds me of Jovo. If Jovo was 6'7 maybe, but even then Silayev moves faster. 1-2 cross overs laterally & he's moved like a meter or whatever, it's crazy. Edited Monday at 02:56 AM by Smashian Kassian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted Monday at 03:06 AM Share Posted Monday at 03:06 AM (edited) FC drafts are fun. You can always seem to get your dream draft. Man that would be schweet! Edited Monday at 04:21 AM by Hammertime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted Monday at 03:34 AM Share Posted Monday at 03:34 AM 29 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: If Jovo was 6'7 maybe, but even then Silayev moves faster. 1-2 cross overs laterally & he's moved like a meter or whatever, it's crazy. It was meant as a compliment. just in that I'm never surprised to see him anywhere on the ice trying to win a battle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted Monday at 04:08 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:08 AM 30 minutes ago, Hammertime said: It was meant as a compliment. just in that I'm never surprised to see him anywhere on the ice trying to win a battle. Yeah I know, sorry if it came across the wrong way. Jovo was my fav player back in the day so I certainly didn't mean that as a knock I'm just blown away by Silayev, he's a freak of nature. Im quite excited for this draft, I think there is potential for us to get a player at 93. When the day comes it'll be a rough ride watching desirable targets come off the board, but I'm optimistic that this draft has enough depth we'll get someone interesting there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted Monday at 04:22 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:22 AM 12 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Yeah I know, sorry if it came across the wrong way. Jovo was my fav player back in the day so I certainly didn't mean that as a knock I'm just blown away by Silayev, he's a freak of nature. Im quite excited for this draft, I think there is potential for us to get a player at 93. When the day comes it'll be a rough ride watching desirable targets come off the board, but I'm optimistic that this draft has enough depth we'll get someone interesting there. Swanson or Zether at 93 and Ill do a jig. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted Monday at 04:37 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:37 AM 9 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Swanson or Zether at 93 and Ill do a jig. I just did the thing, here's what I got.. lots of 'lukes' When I took Fischer.. Zether, Colton Roberts, and a few others were still on the board. Wasn't sure which way to go but Fischer has nice size+mobility, in a re-do might take Zether but... Was surprised to see Curran available at the last pick. I barely recognized Bodin, had I saw Curran I would've taken him at that pick but it worked out.. doubt he's available in the 7th round come the 29th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted Monday at 07:54 AM Author Share Posted Monday at 07:54 AM 6 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Watching some more tape on Silayev as I finish my list & man... he is an absolute marvel to behold. Its unlike anything I've ever seen before. Maybe Hedman but Silayev moves even quicker than Hedman. The downside is he has basically no offensive game (unlike Hedman) but he could still be an absolute force. I disagree with your assessment that he has no offensive game. While he did light it up at the start of the season then died off, he still showed that he has offense in him. He played most of his 63 games last year in the KHL as a 17 year old. The tools are there. He actually models his game on Hedman and watches lots of video of him. He has one of the all time greats coaching him, the Professor, Igor Larionov. And I know it took him 63 games however he broke the scoring record for an under 18 player in the KHL. For sure you can't project his offense like you can with Buium or Levshunov, however he certainly can develop his offensive skills in the next couple of years while being coached by Larionov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted Monday at 08:15 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:15 AM (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ilunga said: I disagree with your assessment that he has no offensive game. While he did light it up at the start of the season then died off, he still showed that he has offense in him. He played most of his 63 games last year in the KHL as a 17 year old. The tools are there. He actually models his game on Hedman and watches lots of video of him. He has one of the all time greats coaching him, the Professor, Igor Larionov. And I know it took him 63 games however he broke the scoring record for an under 18 player in the KHL. For sure you can't project his offense like you can with Buium or Levshunov, however he certainly can develop his offensive skills in the next couple of years while being coached by Larionov. What I would say with confidence is that right now there's not much of an offensive game with him. And I rate him #3 in the draft despite that (and debated him at #2 over Demidov), so I don't say this as a Silayev hater by any stretch. He started with some points at the beginning, but it wasn't really indicative of his skillset/game & didn't prove to be as the season went along. IMO if he was projected as having the same offensive ability as even just Sam Dickinson - not Buium/Parekh/Yakemchuk - he would've legitimately challenged Celebrini for #1 on all the draft lists, if he had anywhere close to the offensive game of those guys Celebrini would go #2. He's that unique a prospect in the other areas. I was a big Dimitry Simashev fan last season - rated him #5 - and I would say Silayev is better at the things that make Simashev so good (size, mobility, defensive play), but Silayev is slightly worse in the areas that were viewed as Simashev's weaknesses (Simashev had more of an offensive lean to his game but a muffin of a shot for a guy that size, Silayev has both a muffin & isn't as involved offensively) All that said, Silayev does handle the puck very well & I'd bet he'll develop a stronger shot as he becomes an adult, so he has the potential to contribute more in that area, but his calling card will never be offense. (Which won't matter if he plays 1/2 the game 5v5 & shuts the opponent down + transitions the puck up consistently in those minutes) Edited Monday at 08:21 AM by Smashian Kassian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted Monday at 11:27 AM Author Share Posted Monday at 11:27 AM 3 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: What I would say with confidence is that right now there's not much of an offensive game with him. And I rate him #3 in the draft despite that (and debated him at #2 over Demidov), so I don't say this as a Silayev hater by any stretch. He started with some points at the beginning, but it wasn't really indicative of his skillset/game & didn't prove to be as the season went along. IMO if he was projected as having the same offensive ability as even just Sam Dickinson - not Buium/Parekh/Yakemchuk - he would've legitimately challenged Celebrini for #1 on all the draft lists, if he had anywhere close to the offensive game of those guys Celebrini would go #2. He's that unique a prospect in the other areas. I was a big Dimitry Simashev fan last season - rated him #5 - and I would say Silayev is better at the things that make Simashev so good (size, mobility, defensive play), but Silayev is slightly worse in the areas that were viewed as Simashev's weaknesses (Simashev had more of an offensive lean to his game but a muffin of a shot for a guy that size, Silayev has both a muffin & isn't as involved offensively) All that said, Silayev does handle the puck very well & I'd bet he'll develop a stronger shot as he becomes an adult, so he has the potential to contribute more in that area, but his calling card will never be offense. (Which won't matter if he plays 1/2 the game 5v5 & shuts the opponent down + transitions the puck up consistently in those minutes) Agree to disagree on your view that he will never be known for his offence. All these kids are lottery tickets and for sure it's hard to predict how they will turn out. I am much higher on Silayev that Simashev. He is virtually two years older and only put up 1 more point than Anton this year in the KHL. I believe the potential is there for a Victor Hedman, with the right coaching and him putting in the work. Only time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted Monday at 12:27 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 12:27 PM My top 32 Not how they will go. Celebrini Buium Silayev Levshunov Demidov Lindstrom Catton Parekh Sennecke Yakemchuk Connelly Helenius Dickinson Jiricek Chernyshov Brandsegg-Nygard Artamonov Eiserman Gridin Hage Igilna Greentree Biosvert Surin Kiviharju Basha Beaudoin Freij Parascak Sahlin Wallenius Poirier Hemming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted Monday at 04:05 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:05 PM VANCOUVER -- For the third time in the past five NHL Drafts, the Vancouver Canucks don’t have a first-round pick on Friday. They also don’t have a second-rounder in Las Vegas, leaving the Canucks with a top pick of No. 93 in Saturday’s third round. But for the first time, this is seen as the cost of doing business for a franchise that won the Pacific Division this season and finally is back in a position to challenge for the Stanley Cup. When they were without first-round picks in 2020 and 2021, the Canucks swung for the fences at those drafts by claiming players who had first-round size and skills but required a lot of development. Defenceman Joni Jurmo (drafted 82nd overall in 2020) is already out of the organization and winger Danila Klimovich (41st in 2021) looks only slightly closer to making the NHL after three challenging seasons with the Canucks' top minor-league team. The profound difference for the Canucks in this weekend’s draft, besides their 109-point regular season, is a hockey operations department largely rebuilt by president Jim Rutherford and general manager Patrik Allvin since 2021. Amateur scouting director Todd Harvey is a holdover from the Jim Benning era, but he now reports to assistant GM Cammi Granato and, according to Rutherford, has transformed as a manager. What also has changed is a clearer, more broadly understood, ideal about what traits the Canucks value most. “Well, we want to play fast, right?” Harvey told Sportsnet last week. “We want competitive people. These kids are going to have roadblocks, they're going to have ups and downs. It's the kids that persevere to get through those roadblocks that are going to get a chance to get to the NHL. “We kind of look for a player that that fits our mold. Obviously, we want skilled players; that's the name of the game. But we also look for good, character people.” Players drafted in the third round and beyond who eventually become NHL regulars are like found money for NHL organizations. They’re a bonus. But there’s more pressure on Harvey’s scouts to find those players in a draft when Vancouver doesn't have first- and second-round picks. This year’s first-rounder was surrendered to the Calgary Flames in the blockbuster rental acquisition of centre Elias Lindholm in January, while the second-round selection was given to the Chicago Blackhawks at the start of last season in the Jason Dickinson trade that provided some cap flexibility. “I think we've done a pretty good job here in the last couple of years of finding some guys who maybe weren't top picks that might have a chance to play,” Harvey said. “We've got to keep doing that. I get what you're saying, that we don't have those high-end picks in the first or second round. But we're putting pressure on ourselves to still find guys that are going to be valuable players.” More to read..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted Monday at 04:15 PM Share Posted Monday at 04:15 PM 6 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said: But for the first time, this is seen as the cost of doing business for a franchise Team is 54 years old- and the writer claims 'for the first time". " I'll take recency bias, for $400 , Alex" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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