CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, N4ZZY said: I wasn't being serious lol. Hard to tell on the internet I know. But yeah. A dude argued just a couple posts after yours that Alvin as much to blame as Benning for our cap issues, you never know what people will actually be serious about. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Breadnbutta said: And I think that's a blessing. I like Boeser. I'll take Garland over Boeser any day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Will there be a trade before game time tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Trade with Poolman. Get Gar for half price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: It's not great for the Canucks though. I would've been completely happy if 24 hours to go, we have a quiet night before the start of the season. But now everything seems to be coming onto the service. This team needs a win badly to start the year. Sorry... I was being sarcastic. Just a shitty way to go into a new season. All the focus and media questions that Tocc and ultimately Hughes are going to face will be about Garlands status and not the team. Kinda like the Brock situation last season. It's just going to be cloud hanging over the team to start the season is all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, PureQuickness said: But the thing is, our team was in a poor state of affairs during and after Gillis. We left the prospect pool so bare because of said GM's inability to draft AND develop. This reality was carried over to Benning who did a better job of drafting, but not necessarily for the development side. As a result of these realities, we are stuck trying to sign players and carrying the cap situation. Benning was stuck because the cap got stuck. Allvin on the other hand had the luxury of seeing how much cap is coming up. And we're STILL stuck with the cap? The Benning blame has been done to death. This is all on Allvin at this point. I agree that Gillis when he came to the organization mostly inherited Nonis' work of drafting and developing the core that Gillis had when he took over. Gillis was really bad at drafting and developing the next core that would take over from the Sedins once they transitioned out of the NHL. So I credit Benning for drafting the core that we have today, but his transactions mostly have crippled this team moving forward. We are still paying for his madness today. I think finally, next year after Myer's contract is done, we may finally be seeing light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to Benning's moves. Your right about Allvin though. From the moment he took reigns over the franchise, he's been responsible. Miller's signing was under Patrik, and that doesn't make much sense from an age perspective where players tend to decline in their 30's, not continue to raise their game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said: A dude argued just a couple posts after yours that Alvin as much to blame as Benning for our cap issues, you never know what people will actually be serious about. Benning hasn't been our GM for at least one whole season anymore. Not sure why people are so obsessed with him. Allvin/JR has had time to fix their cap situation and we are dealing draft picks left, right, and centre, all the while clogging up our cap. PLUS they have no room to sign Pettersson. That's not good planning. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, Blitz-Pix said: Sorry... I was being sarcastic. Just a shitty way to go into a new season. All the focus and media questions that Tocc and ultimately Hughes are going to face will be about Garlands status and not the team. Kinda like the Brock situation last season. It's just going to be cloud hanging over the team to start the season is all. Not even that, but what about Petey's contractual situation? Could you imagine if they came out of the gate 0 and _____. The media in this town would have a shitshow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Sighs I just hope we don't give away significant draft capital to move Garlands contract. We might need to take back another team's underachieving contract to make this work somehow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundernuts Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Amazing how bad that trade is looking now. Didn't like it at the time, but was glad to get Garland. Too bad it hasn't worked out. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Things are getting spicy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, PureQuickness said: Benning hasn't been our GM for at least one whole season anymore. Not sure why people are so obsessed with him. Allvin/JR has had time to fix their cap situation and we are dealing draft picks left, right, and centre, all the while clogging up our cap. PLUS they have no room to sign Pettersson. That's not good planning. Well, to be fair, Benning is the reason the team is in their cap situation. Allvin and Rutherford inherited all of those bad contracts. They tried to move some of those players, but nobody wants our junk, without us giving up more quality picks. Would you have preferred that? The way I understand things is that right now is the window to win and compete. Organizationally, we have Petey, Hughes and Demko, and as long as we have those guys especially as they enter into their prime years, the organization probably feels that they need to surround that core with better players to compete and win. Will we ever win the Cup with this current version of the core? I don't know. Probably not, if the defence remains the same. But I'd argue that the defence today is better than it was under Benning's era. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I can’t remember who the goofball was who was arguing with me on CDC recently. He was convinced Garland was McDavid and was super valuable and desired around the league. I was on the side saying his twirly self cycling, bad angle shots and garbage contract makes him near valueless. Turns out I was right. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wing said: Sighs I just hope we don't give away significant draft capital to move Garlands contract. We might need to take back another team's underachieving contract to make this work somehow. We'll see. But the more draft picks we send out, it becomes more and more apparent that management believes the window to win and compete is now. They have to sell something to Hughes, Petey, Demko who are not young anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It's like they left it last min to quickly ice a team without certain players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: The cap situation is on Allvin as much as it was on Benning. Allvin had a lot of time to clean house and clear cap. What does Allvin do instead? Get himself back into a cap situation. I'm honestly not impressed with the hypocrisy with Allvin vs now. You do realize the flat cap made clearing bad contracts a very expensive proposition, if not impossible for some contacts. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted October 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, PureQuickness said: Benning hasn't been our GM for at least one whole season anymore. Not sure why people are so obsessed with him. Allvin/JR has had time to fix their cap situation and we are dealing draft picks left, right, and centre, all the while clogging up our cap. PLUS they have no room to sign Pettersson. That's not good planning. Alvin made the biggest buyout in NHL history to undo a terrible trade by Benning. He spent a pick to shed Pearsons cap. He traded picks to get rid of Dickinson, then further traded Stillman for even further cap space. He saved space by shedding 1.5 million with Hammonic, traded players like Motte and Schenn at the deadline. I really don't know what else Alvin could have done in a flat cap era where so few teams have any cap space to clean up the nearly decade of mismanaged cap by Benning. He's a GM, not a miracle worker. 9 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Devron said: Things are getting spicy Just like the ol' CDC days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackleford Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Blitz-Pix said: We need to add a new emoji to the list of responses. I'm thinking the praying hands emoji would work well. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said: Alvin made the biggest buyout in NHL history to undo a terrible trade by Benning. He spent a pick to shed Pearsons cap. He traded picks to get rid of Dickinson, then further traded Stillman for even further cap space. He saved space by shedding 1.5 million with Hammonic, traded players like Motte and Schenn at the deadline. I really don't know what else Alvin could have done in a flat cap era where so few teams have any cap space to clean up the nearly decade of mismanaged cap by Benning. He's a GM, not a miracle worker. Honestly, he shouldn't have re-signed Miller. It's a little bit ironic that Allvin uses the re-tool word, but doesn't get nearly as much as criticism as when Benning did. This is the hypocrisy I wanted to point out. Benning left the team in a way that Allvin could've done a refresh on, but Benning's the one that gets all the criticism for the decisions that Allvin/JR has made. I just want to call things as they are. Benning also was in a flat cap era, in a period where there was supposedly cap that was going up. Allvin now knows that the cap will go up. You can't criticize a GM who planned for a higher cap, but this changed when COVID happened. In a way, it's nobody's fault, but also Benning's fault for not preparing himself room. It's like Allvin. We're so tight to the cap that when Soucy's injury happened, we are in a somewhat precarious situation. It's not Allvin's fault that Soucy got injured. But we've seen this song and dance before when you give yourself so little room to manuever. I feel like we are re-living another era of Benning 2.0, but this time there are better free agent signings by Allvin and more questionable trades. Edited October 10, 2023 by PureQuickness 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Rusty Shackleford said: This will do too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua.Guy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Do any other markets media and fans tank their own players value as much as Canucks? It's ridiculous how much they shit on every aspect of the team constantly. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillisD Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said: No surprise here. You gotta think if anyone wanted to trade for him we would have seen one go down by now? Time to move on from the OEL trade and everything to do with it. Agree. I was hoping he would find a solid spot on the team but not to be. What a colossal turd pile that OEL trade was. Fak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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