filthy animal Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 5:02 PM, Ribs said: stealth rebuild lol I guess Jim Rutherford and Alvin are stealth retooling LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy animal Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 7:57 PM, Snoop Hogg said: Did you enter “stealth rebuild” into the lexicon yourself? Never heard that phrase before this thread. Leave it to Anthony to make up words along with his made up facts. Im stealth replying to you by the way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Garland for any of Peeke, Bean, Boqvist, DeMelo, Carrier or Fabbro would definitely be an upgrade on Juulsen. Garland (1 million retained) for most of those players would clear 1-1.5 million cap space this year. We help the other team by picking up 3 million over 3 years, and they help by taking on an additional 1-1.5 million this season. Hughes-Hronek Cole-Trade Addition Soucy-Myers Upfront would have space for Mik and Blueger while keeping Hogs in the lines up. Win-win for all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Would DeMelo be a good fit with Hughes? It would continue this years De theme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) To nsh/cbj: garland, rathbone, 2nd round pick 2025 to van: lauzon or peeke lauzon - 26, LHD 3 years at 2m. 6’1” 205 lb peeke - 25, RHD 3years at 2.75m 6’3” 195 lbs Edited October 15, 2023 by Billabong 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Billabong said: To nsh/cbj: garland, rathbone, 2nd round pick 2025 to van: lauzon or peeke lauzon - 26, LHD 3 years at 2m. 6’1” 205 lb peeke - 25, RHD 3years at 2.75m 6’3” 195 lbs Oof…trading that 2nd would sting Lauzon is an interesting target SCOUTING REPORT The young defenseman competes hard, skates pretty well, generally makes good decisions with and without the puck, and has more offensive skill than he displays. He has a good stick when it comes to breaking up plays. Is willing to lay out to block shots and will step up for his teammates when the situation requires. He has the tools to succeed in the NHL and is still learning to put them together. Can play either side, which also adds value at the highest level. Long Range Potential:Big, mobile defensive defenseman. Edited October 15, 2023 by Huggy Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 clip from this article: https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks-trade-options-for-garland-in-2023-24/ Los Angeles Kings The Los Angeles Kings recently placed Viktor Arvidsson on long-term injured reserve and will likely need to add a winger to their middle six. The organization is a dark horse team to win the Pacific Division, and adding Garland would bolster their forward group. Even when Arvidsson returns, Garland could jump in as a third-line winger. As for what the Kings would give up, on the right side of their blue line, Matt Roy and Jordan Spence are the two options for the Canucks. Roy is a 28-year-old blueliner and has one year remaining on his contract with a $3.150 million cap hit. The Canucks could swap with the Kings if they’re open to moving Roy. Otherwise, the 22-year-old Spence is another option. He is an RFA after this season. The deal with Los Angeles isn’t the easiest to pull off unless the Canucks are willing to add another depth forward. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 56 minutes ago, Billabong said: To nsh/cbj: garland, rathbone, 2nd round pick 2025 to van: lauzon or peeke lauzon - 26, LHD 3 years at 2m. 6’1” 205 lb peeke - 25, RHD 3years at 2.75m 6’3” 195 lbs either a pick or salary retention but a 2nd is a hefty price in trying to acquire a bottom pairing D. If giving up a good pick, we should be pursuing better D options, imho. Like the trade idea though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: Would DeMelo be a good fit with Hughes? It would continue this years De theme. DeMelo would definitely be my primary target on the Jets. He been Winnipeg's top PK guy, doesn't shy away from physicality, and can play top 4 minutes. Plus, he's an upcoming UFA and with Pionk in front of him and Schmidt who can play the right side he's expendable. He could be a great stopgap option while we wait for Willander. Probably the biggest hiccup is whether or not we are on his no trade list. Carrier is my number 1 target from Nashville, but I'm sure they'd much rather trade Fabbro. I definitely wouldn't mind Fabbro but don't want to retain any salary for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, RWJC said: clip from this article: https://thehockeywriters.com/canucks-trade-options-for-garland-in-2023-24/ Los Angeles Kings The Los Angeles Kings recently placed Viktor Arvidsson on long-term injured reserve and will likely need to add a winger to their middle six. The organization is a dark horse team to win the Pacific Division, and adding Garland would bolster their forward group. Even when Arvidsson returns, Garland could jump in as a third-line winger. As for what the Kings would give up, on the right side of their blue line, Matt Roy and Jordan Spence are the two options for the Canucks. Roy is a 28-year-old blueliner and has one year remaining on his contract with a $3.150 million cap hit. The Canucks could swap with the Kings if they’re open to moving Roy. Otherwise, the 22-year-old Spence is another option. He is an RFA after this season. The deal with Los Angeles isn’t the easiest to pull off unless the Canucks are willing to add another depth forward. I would be very interested in this, also when Milkehev and Bluegger come back... is there room of Hoglander in the bottom 6? Yes to Matt Roy or Jordan Spence but there is. big cap difference in these guys LA has no cap space though? maybe with Arvidsson they have the cap now??? To VAN LA 2nd round pick 2024 LA 3rd round pick 2025 Matt Roy To LA Hoglander Garland Woo 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: Would DeMelo be a good fit with Hughes? It would continue this years De theme. absolutely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 BTW how good is Myers looking early in the season while he is not tired, paired with Cole, some reduced minutes and "structure", he is looking like a 4/5 million dollar D man, other teams prob kicking themselves, especially SJS with the Leblanc rumour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: Would DeMelo be a good fit with Hughes? It would continue this years De theme. 5 minutes ago, Diamonds said: DeMelo would definitely be my primary target on the Jets. He been Winnipeg's top PK guy, doesn't shy away from physicality, and can play top 4 minutes. Plus, he's an upcoming UFA and with Pionk in front of him and Schmidt who can play the right side he's expendable. He could be a great stopgap option while we wait for Willander. Probably the biggest hiccup is whether or not we are on his no trade list. Carrier is my number 1 target from Nashville, but I'm sure they'd much rather trade Fabbro. I definitely wouldn't mind Fabbro but don't want to retain any salary for him. De only we get DeMelo is if de Jets decide to tank. He is playing alongside Josh Morrissey right now and dey have great chemistry. If I'm Winnipeg, I'm not putting Neal Pionk back on de 1st pair just so I can get another winger. But if I'm Vancouver? 100% I'm doing it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: De only we get DeMelo is if de Jets decide to tank. He is playing alongside Josh Morrissey right now and dey have great chemistry. If I'm Winnipeg, I'm not putting Neal Pionk back on de 1st pair just so I can get another winger. But if I'm Vancouver? 100% I'm doing it. Agreed, it's not really a move that makes sense for a Winnipeg team that just showed they want to compete going forward. If they were thinking about tanking at all they wouldn't have handed out the twin deals they just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeeeeeergh Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 16 minutes ago, canucks curse said: I would be very interested in this, also when Milkehev and Bluegger come back... is there room of Hoglander in the bottom 6? Yes to Matt Roy or Jordan Spence but there is. big cap difference in these guys LA has no cap space though? maybe with Arvidsson they have the cap now??? To VAN LA 2nd round pick 2024 LA 3rd round pick 2025 Matt Roy To LA Hoglander Garland Woo absolutely Dont think we can afford to trade hoglander hes probably the most likely player we have to give us returns far above his contract value on his next deal im confident he pots 20 goals this year, hes not going back to abby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: Dont think we can afford to trade hoglander hes probably the most likely player we have to give us returns far above his contract value on his next deal im confident he pots 20 goals this year, hes not going back to abby Yup... He basically replaces/is developing in to, our Garland replacement (at 1/4 the cap). That's a no to trading him IMO. Unless it's for a legit guy like Pesce or something, it just doesn't make sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeeeeeergh Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yup... He basically replaces/is developing in to, our Garland replacement (at 1/4 the cap). That's a no to trading him IMO. Unless it's for a legit guy like Pesce or something, it just doesn't make sense. agreed side note, i just checked capfriendly for the first time in a while and our cap situation is actually uhh... not horrible at all with cap going up 4m next year, and EP getting a 4m raise we also have 4m of beauvillier dropping off, 6m of myers contract expiring. we probably need to give a raise of 2m or so to hronek. OEL is going to eat up 2m more of cap as well we'll have around 6m to play with next year, enough for a serious upgrade on Myers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: agreed side note, i just checked capfriendly for the first time in a while and our cap situation is actually uhh... not horrible at all with cap going up 4m next year, and EP getting a 4m raise we also have 4m of beauvillier dropping off, 6m of myers contract expiring. we probably need to give a raise of 2m or so to hronek. OEL is going to eat up 2m more of cap as well we'll have around 6m to play with next year, enough for a serious upgrade on Myers Pleaaaaaase My fear is he'll perform just well enough for management to think he's worth keeping around Really gotta find a way to slot younger, cheaper forwards into the lineup going forward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeeeeeergh Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Pleaaaaaase My fear is he'll perform just well enough for management to think he's worth keeping around Really gotta find a way to slot younger, cheaper forwards into the lineup going forward i think they'll respect RT on matters of roster advice, and beauvillier is 100% not a tocchet type player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Pleaaaaaase My fear is he'll perform just well enough for management to think he's worth keeping around Really gotta find a way to slot younger, cheaper forwards into the lineup going forward If he survives the TDL, I doubt he survives the summer, not at anything resembling his current contract anyway. And even then he doesn't really fill a roster need. Similar to Garland, we just don't need ANOTHER small'ish, speedy 3rd liner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 12:21 PM, MeanSeanBean said: Alvin made the biggest buyout in NHL history to undo a terrible trade by Benning. He spent a pick to shed Pearsons cap. He traded picks to get rid of Dickinson, then further traded Stillman for even further cap space. He saved space by shedding 1.5 million with Hammonic, traded players like Motte and Schenn at the deadline. I really don't know what else Alvin could have done in a flat cap era where so few teams have any cap space to clean up the nearly decade of mismanaged cap by Benning. He's a GM, not a miracle worker. Sure he can't work miracles that's fine he's still making his bed with the same day to day shortsighted stuff that was the hill Benning died on. Alvin -Signed JT Miller until retirement. -Re upped Brock 6.65 -Traded 1st + 2nd for Hronek - Bought out OEL a year early. - Kuzz curious what was being offered for him at last years DL? is Brock your guy New MGMT did and does have a lot to work with in terms of making moves with a vision towards the future but the clock is now ticking on Pete, Hughes, Miller, Demko's primes. The reality is they are just as responsible for our current cap situation, and It's still status quo with death by a thousand cuts -Dropped a turd on Dermis -4th on Lazer -5th on Laff -Lockwood who just had 2 points in 3 preseason games and plays with edge for Kravtsov who fled to his mommy. -5th for Bear love Bear but he had zero effect on our season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 55 minutes ago, RWJC said: either a pick or salary retention but a 2nd is a hefty price in trying to acquire a bottom pairing D. If giving up a good pick, we should be pursuing better D options, imho. Like the trade idea though. A 3rd trimmed 1.4m in cap space in the Pearson/desmith deal so I’m guessing a 2nd is the bare minimum if Canucks are shaving off 2-3m in cap space on top of garland being owed 17m in cash in those 3 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, eeeeeeeeergh said: agreed side note, i just checked capfriendly for the first time in a while and our cap situation is actually uhh... not horrible at all with cap going up 4m next year, and EP getting a 4m raise we also have 4m of beauvillier dropping off, 6m of myers contract expiring. we probably need to give a raise of 2m or so to hronek. OEL is going to eat up 2m more of cap as well we'll have around 6m to play with next year, enough for a serious upgrade on Myers agreed…we actually have room to make 1-2 upgrades for next year, without losing anyone significant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted October 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Sure he can't work miracles that's fine he's still making his bed with the same day to day shortsighted stuff that was the hill Benning died on. Alvin -Signed JT Miller until retirement. -Re upped Brock 6.65 -Traded 1st + 2nd for Hronek - Bought out OEL a year early. - Kuzz curious what was being offered for him at last years DL? is Brock your guy New MGMT did and does have a lot to work with in terms of making moves with a vision towards the future but the clock is now ticking on Pete, Hughes, Miller, Demko's primes. The reality is they are just as responsible for our current cap situation, and It's still status quo with death by a thousand cuts -Dropped a turd on Dermis -4th on Lazer -5th on Laff -Lockwood who just had 2 points in 3 preseason games and plays with edge for Kravtsov who fled to his mommy. -5th for Bear love Bear but he had zero effect on our season. I entirely disagree with you about the day to day stuff, I think that's simply wrong. You may not agree with the new management's moves, but ever single move has been going in the same direction. Trying to shed cap, get younger, and get harder to play against. I'm not going to argue the Miller contract was good, I hate having him into his late 30s. But trading both him and Bo was never an option, this was not a tear down. Brock was a bad situation caused by Benning, and at the time the overwhelming majority was happy about Boesers contract, that's revisionist history. This team needed a D, could you imagine what we would look like with Myers or Cole as our 2D? Regardless if you like these moves or not, every single one has been consistent with the plan Alvin has explained since day 1 on the job. Lazar was a free asset we turned into the pick, not nice versa. Dermis, who I assume is Dermott, was a miss, but was still short term savings on the cap and now totally off the books. Lockwood is an AHL player until he proves otherwise, and his preseason totals mean nothing. This is new management trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, and honestly, so far so good. I haven't agreed with every move, far from it. But so far I'm into the product being served. We'll see by seasons end if it stays that way. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Billabong said: A 3rd trimmed 1.4m in cap space in the Pearson/desmith deal so I’m guessing a 2nd is the bare minimum if Canucks are shaving off 2-3m in cap space on top of garland being owed 17m in cash in those 3 years I get that for sure. I just think if we’re still looking for a QH partner, if that’s achievable, then give up an early round pick or two with Garland and pursue someone who definitely adds to the top 4. If we’re looking for a 5/6 in return, wait it out until the TDL and retain the pick. Garland isn’t hurting us right now. He’s still decent depth. Soucy off IR solves an issue. No sense in an overpayment for a stopgap solution. It should be that we go all in for another top 4 Dman if we’re talking including trading a 1st or 2nd round pick + as part of any Garland deal, imho Edited October 15, 2023 by RWJC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, RWJC said: I get that for sure. I just think if we’re still looking for a QH partner, if that’s achievable, then give up an early round pick or two with Garland and pursue someone who definitely adds to the top 4. If we’re looking for a 5/6 in return, wait it out until the TDL and retain the pick. Garland isn’t hurting us right now. He’s still decent depth. Soucy off IR solves an issue. No sense in an overpayment for a stopgap solution. It should be that we go all in for another top 4 Dman if we’re talking including trading a 1st or 2nd round pick + as part of any Garland deal, imho Yes for sure Canucks need a LEGIT top 4 guy to move the needle but that player is costing us podz + 1st round pick ++ and I don’t know if the Canucks nor the fans have an appetite for that considering the Canucks only have 3 1st round picks in the system (podz, lekkermaki, willander) and as good as they’ve been so far they ain’t cup contenders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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