Hogs and Podz Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: I disagree.......up until the season where it fell apart with Green, things were building nicely. For whatever reason, Green lost them and it's been a scramble trying to get them back on track. "Whatever reason" had to do with the same message and system being preached, and implemented without growth in it. The players got better but the system stayed the same. Got stale, other teams could game plan based in previous encounters. Green was okay.... Could have been worse, but he didn't adapt and grow with the team. Some of that had to do with poor assistance in Bumgardner, and King, both ahl (at best) coaches. Also, the farm team wasn't on the same page and on the other side of the continent to the parent club. Not enough money being allocated to the development of the players and not paying to get better development coaches. This has been a b-rate run organization since previous ownership. Yah they spend to the cap.... Thanks. But it's the facilities, development, training that until recently wasn't at all invested in. Maybe... Just maybe, that has now started to change. A ways to go though, but, I do see positive signs we're gaining traction. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 53 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Agreed. At the end of his first year, PA and JR were preaching systems and structures. They spoke about how they communicated what they wanted to Bruce. Then, for some stupid reason, Bruce comes in after the summer and fires it right back up. Run and gun, no plan, systems, no structure. What the hell did he think was gonna happen? Nice guy? Yup. One of the best. Bonehead? Yup. One of the best. The problem was they brought in Mike Yeo specifically for systems play and decided to keep him despite the proof that he wasn't doing the job properly. If your complaint is the system, that's just stupid management in addition to being grossly unprofessional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Boucher hasn't coached in the NHL in 5 seasons. Ray Whitney has never even been in a management position ever. Mark Hunter left Toronto when he was basically turfed to the side by Dubas to manage a team in the junior leagues. Hunter was far more qualified than Dubas and should have been given the job instead of that idiot. Whitney has a lot of varied experience and connections with the league office, which would help, and 5 years isn't that long for a qualified coach. All of these were far better options than bringing in guys with massive character issues who are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how to run a hockey team professionally and competently. A random guy from your local sports bar would do a better job than these clowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Hunter was far more qualified than Dubas and should have been given the job instead of that idiot. Whitney has a lot of varied experience and connections with the league office, which would help, and 5 years isn't that long for a qualified coach. All of these were far better options than bringing in guys with massive character issues who are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how to run a hockey team professionally and competently. A random guy from your local sports bar would do a better job than these clowns. This management team has won Cups. JR built multiple Cup teams in CAR and PGH. I think we finally have the right management team in place. You're entitled to your opinion. I felt the same way about the last management team with Linden and Benning. Especially Benning and his side kick Wisebrod. Those two were complete tools imo. Edited October 19, 2023 by WHL rocks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Hunter was far more qualified than Dubas and should have been given the job instead of that idiot. Whitney has a lot of varied experience and connections with the league office, which would help, and 5 years isn't that long for a qualified coach. All of these were far better options than bringing in guys with massive character issues who are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how to run a hockey team professionally and competently. A random guy from your local sports bar would do a better job than these clowns. Jim Rutherford has won 3 Stanley Cups running a professional hockey team. The guys you mentioned aren't even employed by the NHL... 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Jim Rutherford has won 3 Stanley Cups running a professional hockey team. The guys you mentioned aren't even employed by the NHL... So has Stan Bowman. Would you hire him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: Setting up a coach to fail and then throwing him under the bus, labour law violations with Doerrie, and hiring a convicted criminal to coach the team. They're also creating a even bigger mess by crippling the future of franchise with dead cap. Such a 2023 post. soft 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, King Heffy said: So has Stan Bowman. Would you hire him? You're comparing Jim Rutherford's actions with Bruce Boudreau and Rachel Doerrie with Stan Bowman's actions of concealing the sexual assault of one of his players? Really? Stan Bowman was banned from the NHL, so he can't be hired regardless. Rutherford didn't get banned from the NHL for firing a coach and a video assistant... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: You're comparing Jim Rutherford's actions with Bruce Boudreau and Rachel Doerrie with Stan Bowman's actions of concealing the sexual assault of one of his players? Really? Stan Bowman was banned from the NHL, so he can't be hired regardless. Rutherford didn't get banned from the NHL for firing a coach and a video assistant... I'm just stating that previous success on the ice doesn't excuse character issues. I'm glad you agree on that at least, if not where the line should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, King Heffy said: I'm just stating that previous success on the ice doesn't excuse character issues. I'm glad you agree on that at least, if not where the line should be. Rutherford doesn't have character issues. You need to stop having a meltdown and quit blowing things out of proportion. It is a results based business. BB as much as we all loved him, didn't get the job done. Rachel was a mental health attention seeker. Something seems off with all your posts tonight. Hoping your account was hacked King! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Outsiders said: Rutherford doesn't have character issues. You need to stop having a meltdown and quit blowing things out of proportion. It is a results based business. BB as much as we all loved him, didn't get the job done. Rachel was a mental health attention seeker. Something seems off with all your posts tonight. Hoping your account was hacked King! The reason Boudreau didn't get results was because the management team was actively sabotaging him. Bottom line is that there's nothing that will convince me that a dirtbag like Rutherford deserves any respect whatsoever. His conduct here simply hasn't been acceptable and he needs to be driven out of town for the good of the franchise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: The reason Boudreau didn't get results was because the management team was actively sabotaging him. Bottom line is that there's nothing that will convince me that a dirtbag like Rutherford deserves any respect whatsoever. His conduct here simply hasn't been acceptable and he needs to be driven out of town for the good of the franchise. BB didn't have the right coaching style for our constructed team at the time. Unfortunately there was only two options. Trade 3/4 of the roster or hire a coach who's coaching style better suited our constructed roster. It's one thing if you just don't think he is a good GM. However, attacking someones character and calling him a dirtbag is low. Sad to see this thought process from people in society these days, praying on others downfalls. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksRuleYou Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 5 hours ago, RWJC said: Ruthless because that’s just their style. Rutherford is straight forward and speaks his mind (for better or worse) without candy coating the words that come out at times. Hes had no problem trading players or firing personnnel, even fan faves, as everyone within his organizations are simply assets to him. He also doesn’t seem to allow personal relationships to interfere in any of his decisions. he knows what he wants, what he thinks works best, and has no problem with the optics in pursuing his concepts. Allvin has been mentored to effectively operate the same way…with a little more tact and personable aura. Simply put, they are successful execs with pedigree behind them that have a straight forward, aggressive approach to how they do business and don’t allow much of anything to impede that. Zero tolerance for anything that appears to be ineffective. We’ll see how that plays out here. If they don’t make the right moves in bringing the right roster makeup, I can see the whole thing blowing up and them recommending drastic change to suit their vision. It could very well end up boom or bust scenario, but to the extreme. At best, our first cup! At worst, think Messier’s impact but originating at the executive level. That could be nightmarish for some in the fan base. Ruthless is what got Vegas their cup. I welcome our management being more ruthless. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy animal Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 hours ago, qwijjibo said: Lol. Not even close. Perhaps you're familiar with what Minnesota has been dealing with the past few seasons At least those guys played reasonably well to their salary value. The same can't be said about Ericsson, B.Sutter, Myers, who were all MASSIVELY overpaid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Bob Long said: ugh. I really didn't want to see retention. If it pans out this way, we're looking at 6 1/2 mil of dead cap in 25/26. The OEL trade just get better and better....not... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 hours ago, King Heffy said: The reason Boudreau didn't get results was because the management team was actively sabotaging him. Bottom line is that there's nothing that will convince me that a dirtbag like Rutherford deserves any respect whatsoever. His conduct here simply hasn't been acceptable and he needs to be driven out of town for the good of the franchise. I agree on the Boudreau situation it could've been handled better, but Boudreau's system was not working. Now that we actually have structure we will be successful. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, spook007 said: The OEL trade just get better and better....not... That's on this management team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, spook007 said: The OEL trade just get better and better....not... They'd have been much better off with OEL than Soucy and the dead cap. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, stawns said: They'd have been much better off with OEL than Soucy and the dead cap. Actually no. Soucy will eat pucks. OEL won’t. OEL is soft. Can’t have him. Panthers will miss the playoffs. Soucy will help us make the playoffs. Benning got us a great core, but his “day to day” management style cost us a lot in the supporting group. New management is cleansing the Benning stains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Canuck Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Outsiders said: BB didn't have the right coaching style for our constructed team at the time. Unfortunately there was only two options. Trade 3/4 of the roster or hire a coach who's coaching style better suited our constructed roster. It's one thing if you just don't think he is a good GM. However, attacking someones character and calling him a dirtbag is low. Sad to see this thought process from people in society these days, praying on others downfalls. 99% of what he posts is toxic, negative and hateful and it’s been going on for a while! An opinion / discussion are one thing, but what he does is a whole other. And sadly, some defend this stuff he does. Crazy really! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: Actually no. Soucy will eat pucks. OEL won’t. OEL is soft. Can’t have him. Panthers will miss the playoffs. Soucy will help us make the playoffs. Benning got us a great core, but his “day to day” management style cost us a lot in the supporting group. New management is cleansing the Benning stains. Spicy is just awful. OEL, under an actual defensive system, would have been back to what he was in AZ. He's certainly looking much better in Fla. Now, with Soucy, they seem to have a terrible dman and a huge dead cap hit for a loooong time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, 88Canuck said: 99% of what he posts is toxic, negative and hateful and it’s been going on for a while! An opinion / discussion are one thing, but what he does is a whole other. And sadly, some defend this stuff he does. Crazy really! We have only one King and he often causes old drunk Alf to laugh so hard he has to change his Depends. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, stawns said: Spicy is just awful. OEL, under an actual defensive system, would have been back to what he was in AZ. He's certainly looking much better in Fla. Now, with Soucy, they seem to have a terrible dman and a huge dead cap hit for a loooong time Soucy is much much better than OEL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, stawns said: Spicy is just awful. OEL, under an actual defensive system, would have been back to what he was in AZ. He's certainly looking much better in Fla. Now, with Soucy, they seem to have a terrible dman and a huge dead cap hit for a loooong time “Spicy”. I like that! Spicy equals hot. Hot is good for the arthritis. Therefore he’s good. Logic rules! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: “Spicy”. I like that! Spicy equals hot. Hot is good for the arthritis. Therefore he’s good. Logic rules! Have you already started your drinking, Alf? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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