EternalCanuckFan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Haddy said: That's why all these silly reports of us willing to retain make no sense to me.... we'd have a whole assed Boeser in dead cap. ...And its not like Garland id a bad player! One of our best guys 5v5, plays a hard game.. plus will likely be very tradeable once the cap goes up. We've had enough dead cap space over the years with the Luongo penalty and signing Eriksson. Retaining $1.5M still means clearing about $3.5M in cap, so I can see management looking at it positively that way (especially if teams aren't insisting on a further sweetener). It will give space for EP's raise, and to fill out the rest of the lineup. But I agree with your points. It's pretty brutal to basically have a top 6 winger cap hit worth of dead cap (or a top 4 D). The Canucks are very fortunate that Hughes signed for a longer term than EP. The team really needs some prospects to play way above value. Edited October 18, 2023 by EternalCanuckFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Breadnbutta said: Lol what else do you expect them to do? Jim Benning created the worst contract cap crunch in pro sports Just keep the players and wait for the contacts to expire, or trade for other bad contracts. I didn't expect them to completely disgrace the franchise with their misconduct and gross incompetence. I expected Aquilini to fire these dirtbags before they caused this much damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 49 minutes ago, Provost said: I haven’t seen that, do you have a link? I have seen that teams are asking for us to retain 30%, not that we are willing. That is a lot of term to do that for and in the summer we wouldn’t be able to get an equivalent player for 65% of his cap hit, so would be going backwards by trading him. Having an first line player equivalent of dead cap over the next few years would be bad mojo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Oh boy. Not sold on that. More retention ffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Vanderhoek Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rekker said: Oh boy. Not sold on that. More retention ffs? The piss off is he can get you 50 points, play top nine and plays hard. Unless you have a smart deal in place keep him. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rekker said: Oh boy. Not sold on that. More retention ffs? If i got some kind of top 4 RD back why do we care.Anyway you will spend free money on top 4 RD later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 hours ago, BlockerHigh said: CBJ fans talk of Peeke like Van fans talk of Myers, not sure we should even bother. Rather get a pick. Maybe it’s the team but I hate reclamation projects from poor teams, seldom works out. Yeah I’m not a Peeke fan either. The only positive over Myers is that Peeke only makes 2.5 mill a year. I’d rather target Adam Boqvist. Just play Hronek with Hughes then get Boqvist from Columbus for the 2nd line RHD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) So if we are retaining $1.485 million of Garland’s contract, that means in the 2025-2026 season we will have a combined $6.251 million in dead cap space. Thanks Benning for the absolute worst trade in franchise history. Edited October 18, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: So if we are retaining $1.485 million of Garland’s contract, that means in the 2025-2026 season we will have a combined $6.251 million in dead cap space. Thanks Benning for the absolute worst trade in franchise history. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lemon Face said: If i got some kind of top 4 RD back why do we care.Anyway you will spend free money on top 4 RD later If it's a quality, top four, defensive, righty? Sure. That's a big If though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, Rekker said: If it's a quality, top four, defensive, righty? Sure. That's a big If though Share same sentiment.IF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Lemon Face said: If i got some kind of top 4 RD back why do we care.Anyway you will spend free money on top 4 RD later How are we to afford this top 4 RHD going forward when we have multiple years of 6+mil in dead cap? Stroll out an AHL bottom 6? So are we Edmonton now? Retaining does matter. Cause we especially need every bit of cap space we can scrounge up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rekker said: If it's a quality, top four, defensive, righty? Sure. That's a big If though That's the only think I can think of.... The only way we're retaining 30% is if it's either a LEGIT, top4 RHD (ideally under contract) coming back or it's pure (and decent) futures, no cap. I doubt we're willing to retain that much on say Peeke or Fabbro as the return. 10-20% ($500k-$1m) maybe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So if we are retaining $1.485 million of Garland’s contract, that means in the 2025-2026 season we will have a combined $6.251 million in dead cap space. Thanks Benning for the absolute worst trade in franchise history. And thanks to the current management for being stupid enough to compound the problem with dead cap. These idiots make Benning look like Sam Pollock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 It’s certainly a couple of bold moves by management to buy out OEL and retain on Garland. While they’re overpaid, both guys aren’t bad players - OEL seems to have bounced back from the injury this year, too. Just don’t fit the vision I guess. I like what management has done so far, so I’m good with it but these moves are decisions rather than necessities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: How are we to afford this top 4 RHD going forward when we have multiple years of 6+mil in dead cap? Stroll out an AHL bottom 6? So are we Edmonton now? Retaining does matter. Cause we especially need every bit of cap space we can scrounge up. If you dont trade him,you will be on the hook for 5 mil next 2 years.So you wont have anything anyway.I dont agree for retention too,but you have to get what you need somehow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Lemon Face said: If you dont trade him,you will be on the hook for 5 mil next 2 years.So you wont have anything anyway.I dont agree for retention too,but you have to get what you need somehow. Yup. Just do what it takes to cleanse the Benning stains. Even the Gnome sized ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lemon Face said: If you dont trade him,you will be on the hook for 5 mil next 2 years.So you wont have anything anyway.I dont agree for retention too,but you have to get what you need somehow. So you keep him; it's not like he's a bad player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: So you keep him; it's not like he's a bad player. He's not. He's also not a player we need. We could use that $3.5 elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: So you keep him; it's not like he's a bad player. Yup. When Mik comes back then Gnome will move to our third line. He will help it’s there. Have to be a good deal for us to move our Garden Ornament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Lemon Face said: If you dont trade him,you will be on the hook for 5 mil next 2 years.So you wont have anything anyway.I dont agree for retention too,but you have to get what you need somehow. We can trade him for this top 4 RHD, and lose him cause we can't afford him. Now we are just left with cap retention. This is why some of us just wanted to blow up the roster. We been fighting cap for 5 years, we'll be fighting it for 5 more, if not more. We are never gonna be in an ideal spot to ice a complete roster. But if we are chasing playoffs, I'd rather dump a pick and not retain anything on Garland. We either fight for picks or fight for cap. We can't do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, King Heffy said: So you keep him; it's not like he's a bad player. Agree with you King,bur we have 2 extra forwards and lack on RD.This is the only way you can get something done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: We can trade him for this top 4 RHD, and lose him cause we can't afford him. Now we are just left with cap retention. This is why some of us just wanted to blow up the roster. We been fighting cap for 5 years, we'll be fighting it for 5 more, if not more. We are never gonna be in an ideal spot to ice a complete roster. But if we are chasing playoffs, I'd rather dump a pick and not retain anything on Garland. We either fight for picks or fight for cap. We can't do both. Why would you loose him?Meyer is gone,so is Beu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, Lemon Face said: Agree with you King,bur we have 2 extra forwards and lack on RD.This is the only way you can get something done. Yup. Clear off as much of the Gnome’s cap and use some of it to sign Ethan Bear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Yup. Clear off as much of the Gnome’s cap and use some of it to sign Ethan Bear. Go to buzz Alf,we need something better then Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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