[Report] Conor Garland given permission to seek trade

[higgyfan]

37 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Yup. Sit his Gnome ass in the press box. He’s a tumour that must be cut out. He’s clearly one selfish little gnome. 

Oh yes Alf.  That will really help to get a trade going.

[J-23]

What can the Capitals offer?

[King Heffy]

10 minutes ago, Lemon Face said:

Did he kill your cat or something?

I just don't like seeing him disgracing the franchise with unprofessional conduct and creating almost a decade of dead cap thanks to his gross incompetence.  There is no reason the dirtbags in the front office should be made to feel welcome.

[RWJC]

Just now, King Heffy said:

I just don't like seeing him disgracing the franchise with unprofessional conduct and creating almost a decade of dead cap thanks to his gross incompetence.  There is no reason the dirtbags in the front office should be made to feel welcome.

What is your solution?
What would you have done differently thus far (since hirings of JR and PA) and whom would you have brought in as mgmt and coaching?

[King Heffy]

7 minutes ago, RWJC said:

What is your solution?
What would you have done differently thus far (since hirings of JR and PA) and whom would you have brought in as mgmt and coaching?

Would have kept Boudreau through the end of last year and hired Guy Boucher, fired both Rutherford and PA on the spot once they started proving they weren't willing to conduct themselves appropriately.  Would have been making an offer to try to bring in Mark Hunter for a GM with Ray Whitney as a second choice.  Wouldn't have created dead cap and would have kept OEL and traded Kuzmenko for futures at the deadline last year.

Edited October 19, 2023 by King Heffy

[RWJC]

10 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Would have kept Boudreau through the end of last year and hired Guy Boucher, fired both Rutherford and PA on the spot once they started proving they weren't willing to conduct themselves appropriately.  Would have been making an offer to try to bring in Mark Hunter for a GM with Ray Whitney as a second choice.  Wouldn't have created dead cap and would have kept OEL and traded Kuzmenko for futures at the deadline last year.

Very interesting! Thanks for the detail.

 

The only issue I see that you’d run into is that we have an owner that “allegedly” could care less about morality and that could obviously factor into how the biz is operated form the top down. 
It’s likely why we have a relatively ruthless upper mgmt team - but still to  be determined how solid their progress has been. Regardless, I’m a proponent of theirs thus far. 

[Coconuts]

38 minutes ago, J-23 said:

What can the Capitals offer?

 

Lower case letters

[Lemon Face]

5 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Very interesting! Thanks for the detail.

 

The only issue I see that you’d run into is that we have an owner that “allegedly” could care less about morality and that could obviously factor into how the biz is operated form the top down. 
It’s likely why we have a relatively ruthless upper mgmt team - but still to  be determined how solid their progress has been. Regardless, I’m a proponent of theirs thus far. 

What immoral they did?Clean up of mess from other GM?Every Nucks fan want change,better players,team.Ruthless because they dont want to give big pay check to these who dont deserve?King Heffy have private vendetta,nothing to do with sport.

[King Heffy]

11 minutes ago, Lemon Face said:

What immoral they did?Clean up of mess from other GM?Every Nucks fan want change,better players,team.Ruthless because they dont want to give big pay check to these who dont deserve?King Heffy have private vendetta,nothing to do with sport.

Setting up a coach to fail and then throwing him under the bus, labour law violations with Doerrie, and hiring a convicted criminal to coach the team.  They're also creating a even bigger mess by crippling the future of franchise with dead cap.  

Edited October 19, 2023 by King Heffy

[RWJC]

7 minutes ago, Lemon Face said:

What immoral they did?Clean up of mess from other GM?Every Nucks fan want change,better players,team.Ruthless because they dont want to give big pay check to these who dont deserve?King Heffy have private vendetta,nothing to do with sport.

Ruthless because that’s just their style. Rutherford is straight forward and speaks his mind (for better or worse) without candy coating the words that come out at times. Hes had no problem trading players or firing personnnel, even fan faves, as everyone within his organizations are simply assets to him. He also doesn’t seem to allow personal relationships to interfere in any of his decisions. he knows what he wants, what he thinks works best, and has no problem with the optics in pursuing his concepts. 
 

Allvin has been mentored to effectively operate the same way…with a little more tact and personable aura. 
 

Simply put, they are successful execs with pedigree behind them that have a straight forward, aggressive approach to how they do business and don’t allow much of anything to impede that. Zero tolerance for anything that appears to be ineffective.
 

We’ll see how that plays out here. 
If they don’t make the right moves in bringing the right roster makeup, I can see the whole thing blowing up and them recommending drastic change to suit their vision. It could very well end up boom or bust scenario, but to the extreme.

 

At best, our first cup!

 

At worst, think Messier’s impact but originating at the executive level. That could be nightmarish for some in the fan base. 
 

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

16 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Setting up a coach to fail and then throwing him under the bus, labour law violations with Doerrie, and hiring a convicted criminal to coach the team.  They're also creating a even bigger mess by crippling the future of franchise with dead cap.  

Doerrie is a nutcase and glad she's gone from the organization. So you'd rather be over the cap and lose a 1st round pick because of the incompetence of Benning and his horrible trade for OEL and Garland? You would rather have OEL over Cole, Soucy, Hronek, Blueger, and Suter? You'd also want us to not make the playoffs with OEL and lose Petey? Because that is what would happen

[RWJC]

Think we have this covered in the thread but posting nonetheless…

 

Latest On Conor Garland Trade Market

 

October 18th, 2023 at 8:32pm CST • By Josh Cybulski

 

Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reported today on the 32 Thoughts podcast that he believes that Luke Schenn’s injury will lower the probability that the Nashville Predators get involved in the Conor Garland sweepstakes. Friedman theorizes that the Vancouver Canuck’s desired return for Garland could be defenseman Dante Fabbro, but given the injury to fellow defenseman Schenn, the Predators will likely have less of an appetite to make the move.

 

The Predators announced this morning that Schenn would be out 4-6 weeks with a lower body injury leaving Nashville a man short on the back end and unlikely to further deplete their defense core. The Predators have a need at forward, but given Friedman’s words, it appears that they don’t want to create a hole to fill another one.

 

For the Canucks, the injury could remove one potential suitor for the 27-year-old Garland from a trade market that already favors the buyer. The NHL Network’s Kevin Weekes reported today that the Canucks are willing to retain around 30% of Garland’s cap hit for the remaining two years, a step that may be necessary to move the player in a difficult trade market that has so many teams within $1MM of the salary cap ceiling.

 

The Canucks appear to be hopeful that they can clear some cap space with the Garland move to facilitate other transactions and give the team some much-needed salary cap flexibility. But, unless another team has an early season injury to a winger, the Canucks may need to be patient and wait until the trade deadline when teams will have more flexibility under the cap. The Canucks have been proactive in their approach and gave Garland’s agent permission to seek a trade to another, but nothing has materialized at this time.

 

Garland’s playing time has been down significantly to start the season as he has averaged just 11:34 of ice time through the first three games of the season, down substantially from the 15:16 of ice time he has averaged throughout his six-year career. The native of Scituate, Massachusetts has posted 84 goals and 111 assists in 325 NHL games and has been difficult to play against throughout his career, despite being undersized.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/10/latest-on-conor-garland-trade-market.html#ref=home

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Doerrie is a nutcase and glad she's gone from the organization. So you'd rather be over the cap and lose a 1st round pick because of the incompetence of Benning and his horrible trade for OEL and Garland? You would rather have OEL over Cole, Soucy, Hronek, Blueger, and Suter? You'd also want us to not make the playoffs with OEL and lose Petey? Because that is what would happen

There were other ways to get under the cap that didn't involve the stupidity of the buyout. The fact that this management group were too stupid to understand this just makes it clear that they are unfit for continued employment.

[Billabong]

1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

There were other ways to get under the cap that didn't involve the stupidity of the buyout. The fact that this management group were too stupid to understand this just makes it clear that they are unfit for continued employment.

 

if the Canucks could hand contracts over to other teams for a bag of chips dontcha think they would have?

 

As Friedman says when teams are in cap hell, other teams throw you anvils not life jackets. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Billabong

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, J-23 said:

What can the Capitals offer?

Nick Jensen would work. Exactly the D type we need, same term remaining, $900k lower cap hit.

[stawns]

45 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Setting up a coach to fail and then throwing him under the bus, labour law violations with Doerrie, and hiring a convicted criminal to coach the team.  They're also creating a even bigger mess by crippling the future of franchise with dead cap.  

Bruce dug his own grave with his complete lack of system hockey.  I do agree management handled very poorly and very unprofessionally.

[stawns]

21 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Think we have this covered in the thread but posting nonetheless…

 

Latest On Conor Garland Trade Market

 

October 18th, 2023 at 8:32pm CST • By Josh Cybulski

 

Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reported today on the 32 Thoughts podcast that he believes that Luke Schenn’s injury will lower the probability that the Nashville Predators get involved in the Conor Garland sweepstakes. Friedman theorizes that the Vancouver Canuck’s desired return for Garland could be defenseman Dante Fabbro, but given the injury to fellow defenseman Schenn, the Predators will likely have less of an appetite to make the move.

 

The Predators announced this morning that Schenn would be out 4-6 weeks with a lower body injury leaving Nashville a man short on the back end and unlikely to further deplete their defense core. The Predators have a need at forward, but given Friedman’s words, it appears that they don’t want to create a hole to fill another one.

 

For the Canucks, the injury could remove one potential suitor for the 27-year-old Garland from a trade market that already favors the buyer. The NHL Network’s Kevin Weekes reported today that the Canucks are willing to retain around 30% of Garland’s cap hit for the remaining two years, a step that may be necessary to move the player in a difficult trade market that has so many teams within $1MM of the salary cap ceiling.

 

The Canucks appear to be hopeful that they can clear some cap space with the Garland move to facilitate other transactions and give the team some much-needed salary cap flexibility. But, unless another team has an early season injury to a winger, the Canucks may need to be patient and wait until the trade deadline when teams will have more flexibility under the cap. The Canucks have been proactive in their approach and gave Garland’s agent permission to seek a trade to another, but nothing has materialized at this time.

 

Garland’s playing time has been down significantly to start the season as he has averaged just 11:34 of ice time through the first three games of the season, down substantially from the 15:16 of ice time he has averaged throughout his six-year career. The native of Scituate, Massachusetts has posted 84 goals and 111 assists in 325 NHL games and has been difficult to play against throughout his career, despite being undersized.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/10/latest-on-conor-garland-trade-market.html#ref=home

 

 

No more dead cap please.  

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

Would have kept Boudreau through the end of last year and hired Guy Boucher, fired both Rutherford and PA on the spot once they started proving they weren't willing to conduct themselves appropriately.  Would have been making an offer to try to bring in Mark Hunter for a GM with Ray Whitney as a second choice.  Wouldn't have created dead cap and would have kept OEL and traded Kuzmenko for futures at the deadline last year.

 

Boucher hasn't coached in the NHL in 5 seasons.  Ray Whitney has never even been in a management position ever.  Mark Hunter left Toronto when he was basically turfed to the side by Dubas to manage a team in the junior leagues.

 

What exactly would these people bring to the table?  Trading a 40 goal scorer for futures.  So basically trading away Petey's linemate for some picks, that would have really helped us to keep Petey I am sure.  Keeping a $7.2 million Dman who couldn't play defence instead of having a stud like Cole on the 2nd pairing.  

 

This team would have been one one of the worst in the league for the next 5+ plus seasons according to your plan.  And 100%, Petey, Hughes and Demko would have asked for a trade.

 

FYI, Rachel Doerrie is a nutjob and will never ever work in the NHL ever again.  Gambling is not only legal now, but is actually promoted by the NHL as well as some of the greatest hockey players in NHL history.  So Tocchet was simply ahead of his time...

Edited October 19, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[Lemon Face]

46 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Setting up a coach to fail and then throwing him under the bus, labour law violations with Doerrie, and hiring a convicted criminal to coach the team.  They're also creating a even bigger mess by crippling the future of franchise with dead cap.  

Meant no disrespect,but you going against windmill.Coach left players coach themself,Nothing problematic how they deal with Doerrie.If she is so good she would work somewhere now.As for new coach,he paid his due and has right to live and work.They are in the middle of Owner want results and Shit left by previous regime.

[D.B Cooper]

12 minutes ago, stawns said:

Bruce dug his own grave with his complete lack of system hockey.  I do agree management handled very poorly and very unprofessionally.

Agreed.  
At the end of his first year, PA and JR were preaching systems and structures. 
They spoke about how they communicated what they wanted to Bruce.  
Then, for some stupid reason, Bruce comes in after the summer and fires it right back up.  
Run and gun, no plan, systems, no structure.  
What the hell did he think was gonna happen?   
Nice guy?  Yup. One of the best.  
Bonehead? Yup. One of the best.  

[stawns]

10 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

Agreed.  
At the end of his first year, PA and JR were preaching systems and structures. 
They spoke about how they communicated what they wanted to Bruce.  
Then, for some stupid reason, Bruce comes in after the summer and fires it right back up.  
Run and gun, no plan, systems, no structure.  
What the hell did he think was gonna happen?   
Nice guy?  Yup. One of the best.  
Bonehead? Yup. One of the best.  

And for all my frustrations over the poor coaching, I never felt he deserved the disrespect management threw at him during that half season 

[RWJC]

19 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

Agreed.  
At the end of his first year, PA and JR were preaching systems and structures. 
They spoke about how they communicated what they wanted to Bruce.  
Then, for some stupid reason, Bruce comes in after the summer and fires it right back up.  
Run and gun, no plan, systems, no structure.  
What the hell did he think was gonna happen?   
Nice guy?  Yup. One of the best.  
Bonehead? Yup. One of the best.  

Fair enough, he also saw that with the roster we had, this team was pretty much one dimensional so he played to limited strengths. Can’t fault him for that. The roster makeup and chemistry was garbage. As we saw Green try and fail at, and Bruce effectively assume relatively the same roster, forcing these guys to try and play a defensive game without adding enough talent geared to playing that way wasnt going to help anyway. Run and gun was really the only option to try and stay competitive at the time and about the only thing that kept a few players motivated to compete.

Edited October 19, 2023 by RWJC

[stawns]

Just now, RWJC said:

Fair enough, he also saw that with the roster we had, this team was pretty much one dimensional so he played to limited strengths. Can’t fault him for that. The roster makeup and chemistry was garbage. 

I disagree.......up until the season where it fell apart with Green, things were building nicely.  For whatever reason, Green lost them and it's been a scramble trying to get them back on track.  

[RWJC]

15 minutes ago, stawns said:

I disagree.......up until the season where it fell apart with Green, things were building nicely.  For whatever reason, Green lost them and it's been a scramble trying to get them back on track.  

but that’s the point…Green lost them.

Why? Likely because they became disinterested/disenfranchised playing that style and structure. 

Bruce is a player’s coach. He saw what the players viewed as the best way to maximize their talent and played them accordingly. The problem wasn’t Bruce. The problem was the inmates running the asylum and when defensive strategies were implemented, the players failed him. They let him down, they eventually got him fired…even if PAJR had designs that way from early on.

 

What you’re seeing now is major roster change which has rebalanced the roster with enough buy in that the assignments must be met as the current coach is specifically engineered as a hire to force this kind of play.

PAJR previously called it the country club…and it was, in part by what I describe above. They have since taken a hardline approach to those undisciplined characteristics and Tocchet has basically driven home a new decree every step of the way since his hire. What you saw in the game against Philly is reminiscent of the team that quit on two coaches. It’s systemic. If bad habits aren’t exorcised from these players these players will be exorcised from this club, imho.

 

Like Tocchet said “who are we to think we’re anybody”.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by RWJC

[canuck73_3]

49 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

 

No more dead cap please.  

With Fabbro’s deal coming off the books if he doesnmt work out here that’s actually not too terrible. Just under 1.5 mill for 2 years with cap going up