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1 minute ago, stawns said:

I disagree.......up until the season where it fell apart with Green, things were building nicely.  For whatever reason, Green lost them and it's been a scramble trying to get them back on track.  

"Whatever reason" had to do with the same message and system being preached, and implemented without growth in it.  The players got better but the system stayed the same.  Got stale, other teams could game plan based in previous encounters. 

 

Green was okay.... Could have been worse, but he didn't adapt and grow with the team.  Some of that had to do with poor assistance in Bumgardner, and King, both ahl (at best) coaches.  Also, the farm team wasn't on the same page and on the other side of the continent to the parent club. 

 

Not enough money being allocated to the development of the players and not paying to get better development coaches.  

 

This has been a b-rate run organization since previous ownership. 

 

Yah they spend to the cap.... Thanks.  But it's the facilities, development, training that until recently wasn't at all invested in.  Maybe... Just maybe, that has now started to change. 

 

A ways to go though, but, I do see positive signs we're gaining traction.

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53 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

Agreed.  
At the end of his first year, PA and JR were preaching systems and structures. 
They spoke about how they communicated what they wanted to Bruce.  
Then, for some stupid reason, Bruce comes in after the summer and fires it right back up.  
Run and gun, no plan, systems, no structure.  
What the hell did he think was gonna happen?   
Nice guy?  Yup. One of the best.  
Bonehead? Yup. One of the best.  

The problem was they brought in Mike Yeo specifically for systems play and decided to keep him despite the proof that he wasn't doing the job properly.  If your complaint is the system, that's just stupid management in addition to being grossly unprofessional.

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Boucher hasn't coached in the NHL in 5 seasons.  Ray Whitney has never even been in a management position ever.  Mark Hunter left Toronto when he was basically turfed to the side by Dubas to manage a team in the junior leagues.

 

 

Hunter was far more qualified than Dubas and should have been given the job instead of that idiot.  Whitney has a lot of varied experience and connections with the league office, which would help, and 5 years isn't that long for a qualified coach.  All of these were far better options than bringing in guys with massive character issues who are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how to run a hockey team professionally and competently.  A random guy from your local sports bar would do a better job than these clowns.

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8 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Hunter was far more qualified than Dubas and should have been given the job instead of that idiot.  Whitney has a lot of varied experience and connections with the league office, which would help, and 5 years isn't that long for a qualified coach.  All of these were far better options than bringing in guys with massive character issues who are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of how to run a hockey team professionally and competently.  A random guy from your local sports bar would do a better job than these clowns.

This management team has won Cups.

JR built multiple Cup teams in CAR and PGH. 

 

I think we finally have the right management team in place. 

 

You're entitled to your opinion. I felt the same way about the last management team with Linden and Benning.

 

Especially Benning and his side kick Wisebrod. Those two were complete tools imo. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Setting up a coach to fail and then throwing him under the bus, labour law violations with Doerrie, and hiring a convicted criminal to coach the team.  They're also creating a even bigger mess by crippling the future of franchise with dead cap.  

 

Such a 2023 post. 

 

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25 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

So has Stan Bowman.  Would you hire him?

 

You're comparing Jim Rutherford's actions with Bruce Boudreau and Rachel Doerrie with Stan Bowman's actions of concealing the sexual assault of one of his players?  Really?  Stan Bowman was banned from the NHL, so he can't be hired regardless.  Rutherford didn't get banned from the NHL for firing a coach and a video assistant...

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7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

You're comparing Jim Rutherford's actions with Bruce Boudreau and Rachel Doerrie with Stan Bowman's actions of concealing the sexual assault of one of his players?  Really?  Stan Bowman was banned from the NHL, so he can't be hired regardless.  Rutherford didn't get banned from the NHL for firing a coach and a video assistant...

I'm just stating that previous success on the ice doesn't excuse character issues.  I'm glad you agree on that at least, if not where the line should be.

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6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I'm just stating that previous success on the ice doesn't excuse character issues.  I'm glad you agree on that at least, if not where the line should be.

 

Rutherford doesn't have character issues. You need to stop having a meltdown and quit blowing things out of proportion. It is a results based business. BB as much as we all loved him, didn't get the job done. Rachel was a mental health attention seeker. 

 

Something seems off with all your posts tonight. Hoping your account was hacked King!

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1 minute ago, Outsiders said:

 

Rutherford doesn't have character issues. You need to stop having a meltdown and quit blowing things out of proportion. It is a results based business. BB as much as we all loved him, didn't get the job done. Rachel was a mental health attention seeker. 

 

Something seems off with all your posts tonight. Hoping your account was hacked King!

The reason Boudreau didn't get results was because the management team was actively sabotaging him.  Bottom line is that there's nothing that will convince me that a dirtbag like Rutherford deserves any respect whatsoever.  His conduct here simply hasn't been acceptable and he needs to be driven out of town for the good of the franchise.

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1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

The reason Boudreau didn't get results was because the management team was actively sabotaging him.  Bottom line is that there's nothing that will convince me that a dirtbag like Rutherford deserves any respect whatsoever.  His conduct here simply hasn't been acceptable and he needs to be driven out of town for the good of the franchise.

BB didn't have the right coaching style for our constructed team at the time. Unfortunately there was only two options. Trade 3/4 of the roster or hire a coach who's coaching style better suited our constructed roster.

 

It's one thing if you just don't think he is a good GM. However, attacking someones character and calling him a dirtbag is low. Sad to see this thought process from people in society these days, praying on others downfalls. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, RWJC said:


Ruthless because that’s just their style. Rutherford is straight forward and speaks his mind (for better or worse) without candy coating the words that come out at times. Hes had no problem trading players or firing personnnel, even fan faves, as everyone within his organizations are simply assets to him. He also doesn’t seem to allow personal relationships to interfere in any of his decisions. he knows what he wants, what he thinks works best, and has no problem with the optics in pursuing his concepts. 
 

Allvin has been mentored to effectively operate the same way…with a little more tact and personable aura. 
 

Simply put, they are successful execs with pedigree behind them that have a straight forward, aggressive approach to how they do business and don’t allow much of anything to impede that. Zero tolerance for anything that appears to be ineffective.
 

We’ll see how that plays out here. 
If they don’t make the right moves in bringing the right roster makeup, I can see the whole thing blowing up and them recommending drastic change to suit their vision. It could very well end up boom or bust scenario, but to the extreme.

 

At best, our first cup!

 

At worst, think Messier’s impact but originating at the executive level. That could be nightmarish for some in the fan base. 
 

 

Ruthless is what got Vegas their cup. I welcome our management being more ruthless.

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6 hours ago, King Heffy said:

The reason Boudreau didn't get results was because the management team was actively sabotaging him.  Bottom line is that there's nothing that will convince me that a dirtbag like Rutherford deserves any respect whatsoever.  His conduct here simply hasn't been acceptable and he needs to be driven out of town for the good of the franchise.

I agree on the Boudreau situation it could've been handled better, but Boudreau's system was not working. Now that we actually have structure we will be successful. 

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15 minutes ago, stawns said:

They'd have been much better off with OEL than Soucy and the dead cap.

Actually no. Soucy will eat pucks. OEL won’t. OEL is soft. Can’t have him. Panthers will miss the playoffs. Soucy will help us make the playoffs.

Benning got us a great core, but his “day to day” management style cost us a lot in the supporting group. New management is cleansing the Benning stains. 

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5 hours ago, Outsiders said:

BB didn't have the right coaching style for our constructed team at the time. Unfortunately there was only two options. Trade 3/4 of the roster or hire a coach who's coaching style better suited our constructed roster.

 

It's one thing if you just don't think he is a good GM. However, attacking someones character and calling him a dirtbag is low. Sad to see this thought process from people in society these days, praying on others downfalls. 

 

 

99% of what he posts is toxic, negative and hateful and it’s been going on for a while! An opinion / discussion are one thing, but what he does is a whole other. And sadly, some defend this stuff he does. Crazy really! 

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9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Actually no. Soucy will eat pucks. OEL won’t. OEL is soft. Can’t have him. Panthers will miss the playoffs. Soucy will help us make the playoffs.

Benning got us a great core, but his “day to day” management style cost us a lot in the supporting group. New management is cleansing the Benning stains. 

Spicy is just awful.  OEL, under an actual defensive system, would have been back to what he was in AZ.  He's certainly looking much better in Fla.  Now, with Soucy, they seem to have a terrible dman and a huge dead cap hit for a loooong time

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7 minutes ago, 88Canuck said:

99% of what he posts is toxic, negative and hateful and it’s been going on for a while! An opinion / discussion are one thing, but what he does is a whole other. And sadly, some defend this stuff he does. Crazy really! 

We have only one King and he often causes old drunk Alf to laugh so hard he has to change his Depends. 

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

Spicy is just awful.  OEL, under an actual defensive system, would have been back to what he was in AZ.  He's certainly looking much better in Fla.  Now, with Soucy, they seem to have a terrible dman and a huge dead cap hit for a loooong time

Soucy is much much better than OEL

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