J-23 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, RWJC said: A guy like Crouse does much more, imho. Rather keep Garland than trade a 1st and Garland for a career 0.36 point per game player who has only hit the 40 point mark once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RWJC Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, J-23 said: Rather keep Garland than trade a 1st and Garland for a career 0.36 point per game player who has only hit the 40 point mark once. I hear ya, but Garland doesn’t want to be here and is now being played on 4th line for almost 5mill. Crouse is more than just a point per game statistic too. He offers exactly what this club is lacking. Not saying it’s ideal, it’s just a deal. What’s a realistic proposition you have that helps the club? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Grandmaster said: Sorry but I’m not retaining more than 1M to get rid of this guy. We already have the OEL buyout to deal with. Let’s just use him as a serviceable 3rd liner who can bump into the top 6 on occasion. He is not a bad player. Don't like the idea of retaining, unless.... Its a deal is lined up for a big winger or rhd that will come in for the same length as Garlands contract and no more than Garlands contract minus the retention. If it wasn't for cap restraint I'd even do it with the retention on top, if we could fill a need. This has nothing to do with Garland, but more to do with filling in needs. Garland is redundant on the 3rd line. And especially him and Beau together on the 3rd line makes no sense. I'd o for Beau as well or instead, but then they have the problem again next summer. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Hammertime said: Allvin probably had the very same reaction to hearing Jensen proposed as the return for Garland. Otherwise, the trade would be done by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Hammertime said: *Nicklas Jensen was a different player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Meh Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 14 hours ago, stawns said: Poolman - injuries Dermott - injuries Bailey - always AHL depth Dickinson - playing well in Chi Lammy - thought he was sold d for n Van Highmore - meh Should I be insulted or flattered? 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 well I would think with only one NHL game today, this is the day to move Garly if its going to happen early this season. He's played fairly well so scouting shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 hours ago, J-23 said: Rather keep Garland than trade a 1st and Garland for a career 0.36 point per game player who has only hit the 40 point mark once. I don't see him going anywhere, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, stawns said: I don't see him going anywhere, personally. because of no takers, or ? I'd be happy with Garly+Joshua 1:1 for Mantha to balance this years cap for both teams. I think RT can revive Mantha for one season. Edited October 23, 2023 by Bob Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: because of no takers, or ? I'd be happy with Garly+Joshua 1:1 for Mantha to balance this years cap for both teams. I think RT can revive Mantha for one season. Because the price is too steep. Who knows what PA thinks, but id rather sit and wait until there's no retention. He's more valuable to the team than the price they'd have to pay to move him, imo. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Because the price is too steep. Who knows what PA thinks, but id rather sit and wait until there's no retention. He's more valuable to the team than the price they'd have to pay to move him, imo. Makes sense, as long as he’s not a negative factor in the room. You don’t hear him sounding off in the media about deployment, which is a good thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Because the price is too steep. Who knows what PA thinks, but id rather sit and wait until there's no retention. He's more valuable to the team than the price they'd have to pay to move him, imo. The problem is that management has already proven to be stupid enough to cripple the franchise with dead cap after the OEL buyout. I'd agree with you if we had a competent GM running things, but who knows how much more damage these dirtbags will do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Meh said: Should I be insulted or flattered? Zucker out with short term injury in ARZ, and also expiring contract. This is the guy Garland could eventually replace cap/top 6 wise (not positionally though) in their lineup for the right price. Cmon Allvin, let’s make a deal! Edited October 23, 2023 by RWJC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 To me I think the best bet is CBJ as they have that extra RD we want. Arizona is also a good choice but what do they have? Garland is paid fair for what he brings so I would not want retention unless the contracts under what we pay and the contract if for as long for a RD we get back.Or a bigger multi player swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Latest On Conor Garland October 23rd, 2023 at 6:41pm CST • By Brennan McClain Just before the start of the season, Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet reported that the Vancouver Canucks had given forward Conor Garland and his agency full freedom to find a suitable trade partner for the winger. Unfortunately, for most teams at this time of year, especially teams that are destined for a postseason run at the conclusion of the season, cap space is hard to come by, especially to fit in Garland’s $4.95MM until 2025-26. However, nearly a week ago, Kevin Weekes of ESPN reported that the Canucks would be willing to retain as high as 30% of Garland’s salary for the next three seasons, meaning any acquiring team would only owe him approximately $3.465MM in total salary. Realistically speaking, even with the hypothetical retention of Garland’s salary, there are only seven teams with enough cap space to take on a discounted Garland, without moving out a salary in the process. On a positive note in regards to the potential trade of Garland, David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period wrote in an article last week that the Washington Capitals are interested in adding a top-six forward, as the offense has looked completely stagnant out of the gate. In the same article, Pagnotta notes that the Capitals could look to move out forward Anthony Mantha in any deal made to acquire Garland. Unfortunately, with a roster surplus and salary cap problems of their own, the Canucks would be unable to take on the $5.7MM owed to Mantha for the rest of the season, even if no money was retained on Garland, complicating that hypothetical deal entirely. In the same vein, passing on a note from Friedman, Rick Dhaliwal of The Athletic confirms that the Capitals are indeed interested in acquiring Garland, but are trying to move Mantha in a separate trade. For Garland, if Mantha becomes the domino that must fall before he is eventually moved out of Vancouver, the time frame on a potential trade has likely been extended to the trade deadline. Given the fact that Mantha has now been healthy scratched by the Capitals to start the year, Washington will likely have to move out significant assets in any trade involving Mantha, simply to entice the other party to absorb the rest of his contract. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/10/latest-on-conor-garland.html#ref=home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 18 hours ago, RWJC said: I hear ya, but Garland doesn’t want to be here and is now being played on 4th line for almost 5mill. Crouse is more than just a point per game statistic too. He offers exactly what this club is lacking. Not saying it’s ideal, it’s just a deal. What’s a realistic proposition you have that helps the club? I want to see a trade here, and have predicted one to happen, but in my opinion nothing significant will change now until off-season. By then we will have Myers and Beauvillier cap hit gone, NHL cap goes up, etc. At most, maybe a Beauvillier trade at trade deadline, but that’s about it. Once the cap increases, that’s when I expect a Garland trade to happen. No way Canucks should retain 30% of the cap right now. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, J-23 said: I want to see a trade here, and have predicted one to happen, but in my opinion nothing significant will change now until off-season. By then we will have Myers and Beauvillier cap hit gone, NHL cap goes up, etc. At most, maybe a Beauvillier trade at trade deadline, but that’s about it. Once the cap increases, that’s when I expect a Garland trade to happen. No way Canucks should retain 30% of the cap right now. I agree. Sit back, let other teams know we are open for business though. But no retention on Garland. If nothing happens so be it. Enough of the retention already. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, King Heffy said: The problem is that management has already proven to be stupid enough to cripple the franchise with dead cap after the OEL buyout. I'd agree with you if we had a competent GM running things, but who knows how much more damage these dirtbags will do? Patrick Allvin has literally drafted 4 stud players in only 2 drafts. Tom Willander, Jonathan Lekkerimaki, Elias Pettersson, Hunter Brzustewicz. He did this without a top 10 pick and even without any 2nd round picks. All 4 players will be in the NHL within the next 2-3 years. He also traded a 55 point career centre for a top 4 Dman who’s partnering Hughes, plus a top prospect in Aatu Raty. He also got a 40 goal scorer for free in Andrei Kuzmenko. Also picked up Petey’s other right hand man, Ilya Mikheyev, also for free. Got Ian Cole for free. Stole Sam Lafferty from Toronto for only a 5th round pick. Signed Miller to a below market contract. Finally got a legit backup for Demko in Casey DeSmith who has already stole us a game this year. Jim Benning couldn’t hold Patrik Alvin’s jockstrap when it comes to running an organization. Benning was a good amateur scout and because we sucked so bad under him he was able to obtain 5 top 10 draft picks. And got lucky enough to get two star players from those high picks. 2 others from those picks aren’t even in the NHL anymore and the other one is still in the AHL. I’ve been following this team since the 1980’s. Patrick Allvin is one of the best GM’s we’ve ever had. And he’s just getting started. Edited October 24, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 8 hours ago, stawns said: Because the price is too steep. Who knows what PA thinks, but id rather sit and wait until there's no retention. He's more valuable to the team than the price they'd have to pay to move him, imo. That’s actually a good point. I was at first all for retaining some cap to move him. But seeing how he’s handled things, it doesn’t seem to be much of a distraction to the team. I only wanted him gone to avoid any over blown bs. I also liked him on the 3rd line with Suter and Joshua. I thought they played an effective game. I’ve been far less impressed with Beauvillier this year. He’s only got 1 year left. May be an easier contract to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: That’s actually a good point. I was at first all for retaining some cap to move him. But seeing how he’s handled things, it doesn’t seem to be much of a distraction to the team. I only wanted him gone to avoid any over blown bs. I also liked him on the 3rd line with Suter and Joshua. I thought they played an effective game. I’ve been far less impressed with Beauvillier this year. He’s only got 1 year left. May be an easier contract to move. AB is as good as gone, imo. I think they could build a nice line with Garland and Suter.......maybe Hogz? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Patrick Allvin has literally drafted 4 stud players in only 2 drafts. Tom Willander, Jonathan Lekkerimaki, Elias Pettersson, Hunter Brzustewicz. He did this without a top 10 pick and even without any 2nd round picks. All 4 players will be in the NHL within the next 2-3 years. He also traded a 55 point career centre for a top 4 Dman who’s partnering Hughes, plus a top prospect in Aatu Raty. He also got a 40 goal scorer for free in Andrei Kuzmenko. Also picked up Petey’s other right hand man, Ilya Mikheyev, also for free. Got Ian Cole for free. Stole Sam Lafferty from Toronto for only a 5th round pick. Signed Miller to a below market contract. Finally got a legit backup for Demko in Casey DeSmith who has already stole us a game this year. Jim Benning couldn’t hold Patrik Alvin’s jockstrap when it comes to running an organization. Benning was a good amateur scout and because we sucked so bad under him he was able to obtain 5 top 10 draft picks. And got lucky enough to get two star players from those high picks. 2 others from those picks aren’t even in the NHL anymore and the other one is still in the AHL. I’ve been following this team since the 1980’s. Patrick Allvin is one of the best GM’s we’ve ever had. And he’s just getting started. Brustewicz leading the OHL in scoring is pretty unreal. Especially given his whole game has been recognized, not just scoring. Watched some D-Petey highlights as well, and he looks good in transition. Faber had a compilation of his controlled exits, which was really cool to see for a modern shutdown-style dman with size. The future is looking brighter! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: AB is as good as gone, imo. I think they could build a nice line with Garland and Suter.......maybe Hogz? They played as a line in pre season and they were an absolute handful. I think Toc is averse to that line because they are all small…but who cares if they are buzzing about keeping the puck out of their dzone. I have liked Joshua lately too. So he does bring some size there. But I don’t think they need it. Drop Joshua down with Lafferty and Blueger when he’s back. Thats a heck if 4th line. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 To STL Garland Myers 2025 1st klimovich hoglander To VAN Justin Faulk 2024 3rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: They played as a line in pre season and they were an absolute handful. I think Toc is averse to that line because they are all small…but who cares if they are buzzing about keeping the puck out of their dzone. I have liked Joshua lately too. So he does bring some size there. But I don’t think they need it. Drop Joshua down with Lafferty and Blueger when he’s back. Thats a heck if 4th line. I hope tocchet isn't a dinosaur about that kind of thing. Size isn't much of a factor anymore, despite the hand wringing over it on here. Garland is one of the grittier players on the team and hogz plays a very similar style. That gives them three offensive lines and a big, pretty fast 4th line Edited October 24, 2023 by stawns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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